I am a model. I am a Christisn.

[Mr. DNA]

You are a ****ing moron. (http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/tvcarnage/perez-you-got-served-***/#comment-70221)

[Spindrift]

It's a sad country when someone can't have their own opinion without getting bashed and forced to apologize for having an opinion. :shake:

[Mr. DNA]

It's a sad country when someone can't have their own opinion without getting bashed and forced to apologize for having an opinion. :shake:

When your opinions mark you as a delusional and intolerant bigot then you deserve everything you get.

[Spindrift]

When your opinions mark you as a delusional and intolerant bigot then you deserve everything you get.
An opinion, not opinions. She never said she felt that homosexuals were any less than her, she even said, "Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other." And anyhow, it's still an opinion. Whether it's right or wrong, Perez (who I would say was more or less just trying to stir sh*t with that remark, betcha his blog is still getting double the average hits now) had no right to go off and slander her because she had a varied opinion from him.

And fyi, I'm neither a theist nor anti-gay marriage. I just feel Perez was doing this to create a stir. Also, if you would like to continue this, PM.

[Mrmakee]

Good to see you're keeping the unrelated argument away. Good work.

Anyway, I failed to see the funny part. Only some of the stuff she said was kind of funny. I feel like i'm misssing something really obvious here.

[Mr. DNA]

An opinion, not opinions. She never said she felt that homosexuals were any less than her, she even said, "Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other." And anyhow, it's still an opinion. Whether it's right or wrong, Perez (who I would say was more or less just trying to stir sh*t with that remark, betcha his blog is still getting double the average hits now) had no right to go off and slander her because she had a varied opinion from him.

And fyi, I'm neither a theist nor anti-gay marriage. I just feel Perez was doing this to create a stir. Also, if you would like to continue this, PM.

I don't really care about Perez. I do care about the edited video of the beauty queen being facetiously made to look even more dimwitted than she undoubtedly is. People have a right to express their opinion(s), but when those opinion(s) stigmatise an entire group of people as a result of their inherited religious delusions then it is only right that they are subsequently mocked and derided.

Also, if you would like to continue this, PM.

Unless this forum's mod has a problem with the discussion then I don't see a need for PMs.

Anyway, I failed to see the funny part. Only some of the stuff she said was kind of funny. I feel like i'm misssing something really obvious here.

The first thing that's funny about it is that a news station is actually giving this non-story substantial air-time, and subliminally suggesting that there is nothing wrong with her brain-dead views on gay marriage.

The second thing that's funny about it is that someone has cleverly edited the video to make the twit appear even more stupid than she already is.

[Spindrift]

Unless this forum's mod has a problem with the discussion then I don't see a need for PMs.
Alright.
I don't really care about Perez. I do care about the edited video of the beauty queen being facetiously made to look even more dimwitted than she undoubtedly is. People have a right to express their opinion(s), but when those opinion(s) stigmatise an entire group of people as a result of their inherited religious delusions then it is only right that they are subsequently mocked and derided.
You missed my point (which I didn't actually make quite clear, really..), Perez Hilton, who's already leeching off the fame of another useless celebrity, destroyed the "legacy" of another person to gain fame for himself. Had the person who was going to answer the question been pro-same-sex marriage, he would have -never- asked her that question. Had Hilton not gone on his blog and called her names and insulted her intelligence, the whole thing would have probably ended there. That's not what Perez wanted to happen though, so of course he went on his big manly blog and literally told his viewers what the correct answer to his question was, and it had nothing to do with whether gay marriage was a good thing or not, actually. Furthermore, since when do people give a damn about a celebrity gossip blogger's and supermodel's opinion?

As for the video, I don't care whether it was lol-ariously edited to make her look like a doofus, Perez damaged someone else's credibility for his own personal gain. I don't care who you are or who's opinion you are ruining, that's low and I won't support it in any way.

[Beha]

Revolutionary Road's main point is abortion is right.

Horton Hears a Who had one loose line that only relates to pro-life if you want it to.

Yet the headlines scream about how everyone thinks Horton is a disgusting, horrible movie.

Let's weigh where the real intolerance is. It's always, you can have whatever view you want, BUT IF IT'S NOT MY VIEW YOU ARE A BIGOT AND UNDESERVING OF YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!!! It is as frustrating as anything else... Also, this is as from from a joke, riddle or stupid picture/video as one can get.

[Mr. DNA]

Let's weigh where the real intolerance is. It's always, you can have whatever view you want, BUT IF IT'S NOT MY VIEW YOU ARE A BIGOT AND UNDESERVING OF YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!!!

Condemning bigots for what they say is not the same as wanting their views to be silenced.

Spindrift: **** Perez. It's a silly video that I found amusing. ;)

[Beha]

So that's how you spin it?

I'll remember that the next time I feel your words are bigoted.

Words that hate against a single group are bigoted, no matter what angle it's coming from/directed towards.

[Impulsive!]

She has the right to her opinion, but that doesn't mean her opinion is right.

One of my favourite pieces of advice, and it's true.

[Velocity]

She has the right to her opinion, but that doesn't mean her opinion is right.
Do you mean that it's not "right" from your (or someone else's) perspective? I would have to wager that moral relativism would also alter whether the opinion expressed by Ms. Prejean is right.

Secondly, I'm perfectly willing to allow this discussion to continue. Just keep it civil and nothing will need to be moved to the 'Dome.

[Impulsive!]

What i mean is it 'doesn't mean it's right'. That doesn't stop it from being right or wrong from any perspective.

Opinions cause arguements.

[Pontus]

I think "I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it," (Voltaire) fits nicely here. Double standards aren't cool.

[Schteve]

When your opinions mark you as a delusional and intolerant bigot then you deserve everything you get.Her opinion isn't what got her that (rather, it was her poor answer to the question), lest you think every other person out there who repeats the same opinion as she does should get the same fate (read: Obama).

Interestingly, though, I do think every other person out there who repeats the same opinion should get the same fate!



Had the person who was going to answer the question been pro-same-sex marriage, he would have -never- asked her that question. wat

He nor anyone else knows the contestants' political opinions beforehand. And even so, that wouldn't matter as he had only that question to ask of whoever drew his name from the punchbowl.



HThat's not what Perez wanted to happen though, so of course he went on his big manly blog and literally told his viewers what the correct answer to his question was, and it had nothing to do with whether gay marriage was a good thing or not, actually. Have you read his blog? I wouldn't exactly call it manly.

[Spindrift]

wat

He nor anyone else knows the contestants' political opinions beforehand. And even so, that wouldn't matter as he had only that question to ask of whoever drew his name from the punchbowl.
I've never watched the Miss USA or any other beauty pageant... While that is probably true (not knowing their opinions before), had he asked any other model that question he would have gotten the same response. Christianity is still the majority in the nation and unless that changes, I doubt any model is going to say, "I'm not Christian and thus have no religious reasons to be against gay marriage," or, "I'm Christian, but I feel that homosexuals have the same rights to marriage as everyone else." Had Prejean used either of those as answers, Perez would have praised her and received less attention for his response. Of course, who expects a model to answer anything but "I'm relgious" in a country where the majority of the population is religious. I even think one of the requirements for Miss USA is to be religious. Not sure about that though.

Have you read his blog? I wouldn't exactly call it manly.
I said that in a mocking sort of way, like as if by posting on a blog he was being a big tough guy, which I think he was trying to come off as. A gay-basher-basher, in a way.

[Schteve]

IWhile that is probably true (not knowing their opinions before), had he asked any other model that question he would have gotten the same response.Not really. The vast majority of citizens her age support same-sex marriage. The number shoots up even more if you only consider women or those in California. So really, she sort of is in the minority for her demographic.

[Spindrift]

Not really. The vast majority of citizens her age support same-sex marriage. The number shoots up even more if you only consider women or those in California. So really, she sort of is in the minority for her demographic.
Regardless of what others in her specific demographic say, she still spoke with a majority of the country on her views of homosexual marriage. Even more so when you consider those who are Christian but for homosexual marriage because they're likely to think, "Well, she's basing it on what her religion tells her. Good for her!"