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Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 01:59 AM
Official Game Instructions

How to Play

It has come to my attention that many of you do not know how to play. Here is a guide on how to play wolf.

The basic game structure is as follows: I will open a new thread each day. The thread is open for anything and everything. Your main goal as a townie is to deduce whom amongst you is a member of the mafia, convince everyone, and get a majority vote for that member. At the end of the day phase, whomever has the most votes will be banned (or killed) and can no longer play the game. If they continue to post I will close the thread until Zero or Insane Man can come through, delete the posts and warn the member.

Once the day phase is over, the thread will be closed. This is when the powers for each role takes over. If a player has a power with an action, they may choose to either use that power or not. For example, the seer will PM me a member's name that he wishes an IP check on, and in the morning they will have a return PM telling them the person's role. This applies for all roles, by morning whatever powers they activated, their results will be apparent to either solely them or everyone.

When it gets to around 10 AM, I will open a new day phase thread. An updated member's list will be posted, as well as who died and what role they were, along with a neat little story as to how they died. Then the day phase will commence in the same manner.

If you are a mafia member, your goal is to pretend to be a townie and pretend to be hunting for the mafia members as well. At night, or during the day, you will all collaborate to decide whom to kill each night. By 10 AM at the latest I must have a PM sitting in my box naming a player you wish to kill. And that will happen, provided another role does not interfere. The only way the mafia can win is to reduce the living number of townies to the same number as living mafia members, which causes a stalemate and mafia victory.

The only other faction I added in this game is the Jekyll/Hyde faction. Jekyll will appear to everyone but Hyde to be a doctor and will have the same power the doctor has as described in his role description. Hyde will appear to everyone but Jekyll to be a regular mafia member and will act alongside the mafia members. The only way they can win is for one them to be the last men standing. If all mafia are dead and Jekyll/Hyde are still alive, the game will continue until they are dead. Because they are the same person, one cannot live without the other. If either gets lynched or murdered, the other will also die, so they must work together as they are dependent on each other. If one happens to get axed for activity's sake, however, his role will be reassigned at random, but I pray this will not be the case.

If you would like to see how a short game worked, click here and start with the Day 1 thread and go up to Day 5 in order: MGS Wolf (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=128)



Rules

This is regular wolf just with a new and different spin on it.
I will try to keep the day phase times uniform. Day phases will begin around 10 AM EST. It will end around 10 PM EST. If I get all of the night phase actions before I go to sleep that night, then I will reopen early. You can PM me your action at any time, day or night. If it gets around the time to open and your action is not in, tough crackers. If I mess up and don't close the night phase until late, then I will allow time.
Play is simple. When the day phase begins, everyone must vote and argue over whom to ban from GameWinners. After the banhammer is dropped, their role will be revealed. At this point night phase will begin and no thread discussion will be allowed as I will have the thread closed. When the day phase opens again, the results from the night phase will be posted, rinse wash repeat.
IMPORTANT: All night phase actions must be PMed to me and me alone. I am running this game therefore all communication is with me in regards to role actions.
If the wolves set up an IRC chat, invite me if you will so I can see your evil doings and laugh.
That's really about it. Questions are always allowed and once the game starts, it'd be best for you to PM me questions just in case it might reveal your role.

And now for the good part...

THE SCENARIO

As everyone knows, recently the fantastic Super Moderator Crazy Jaime stepped down from his position. While everyone was lamenting the loss, a lonely envelope appeared in Al's mailbox at his residence. Unmarked and with no return address, he cautiously opened the letter to read it's contents.

Al,

You will shut down GameWinners immediately, or suffer the consequences. We know everyone's names and locations. We have men watching them.

If your site continues on, the streets will run red with the blood of your members. You have 24 hours to comply before we begin murdering one person each night.

Heed the example we made of Jaime... you have been warned.

The GodFather

Terrified, he called Jaime's cell phone. "Police, whom am I speaking with?"

"This is Al, webmaster of GameWinners.com, where is my moderator, Jaime?"

"Uh, sir, I hate to break the news to you but Jaime was murdered last night."

The phone drops to the floor. As it slowly shatters into pieces from the impact, he races to his computer and logs in to GameWinners to call a town meeting together.

"Friends, I must say that this news is shocking to me. I cannot fathom as to the reason why they are attacking my site, but we must find these people and take them out before they can do any more damage. For Jaime's sake, at least, if nothing else..."

"Why can't we just go to the police?" Apollo asks.

"It's too risky, they probably own the police," replied Ben.

"How would you know that, BEN, or should I say WEASEL!!" shouted Klowny. "We all have to take into account the fact these people are probably among us right this very moment, misleading us and driving us away from the truth. We don't know who they are or what they want, but god damnit let's find them!"

"YOU SOUND SUSPICIOUS, KLOWNY!" Coleman shouted. "How dare you accuse me, Cole..." And the room divulged into bickering so intense that the Dome couldn't even handle it. This was something different, it was real, and lives are on the line this time.


The Roles

Members

Al - Al is the Seer. He crashes the server each night to enable himself to check the IP of one player of his choosing to see what their role is.

Isis - Isis is the Nurse. She is able to protect one person each time the server crashes and can resuscitate them should the GW mafia come after them. She can choose to protect herself via a special syringe that can protect her an attack happen, but once used she can not protect herself again. Her protection will work against Majboothroyd.

Apollo - Apollo is the Mayor. If a tie occurs, Apollo's vote will be the deciding vote. Should Apollo have not voted in the round or for whomever the tie is between, a coin flip will decide the tie.

Beha - Beha is the Assassin. Having triumphed in the first ever assassin game, he went on to receive real life assassin training. Watching carefully from a dark corner, each time the server crashes Beha may choose to kill one person. However, being a poor college student, he could only afford a fully loaded six shooter...

Inlé_rah - Inlé_rah is the Saint. She is without fault (besides that damn é in her name!) and is so pure that if she is lynched by the GW members, the first five people to vote for her commit suicide. If there is a tie and Inlé falls by Apollo's vote, only he dies as the blood was on his shoulders.

shortkut - shortkut is the gypsy. Throughout the game, kut is a regular member. However, thrice during the game, he may pick a member during the active server time and request their role. THIS MUST BE DONE IN THE ACTIVE SERVER TIME AND ACTIVE SERVER TIME ONLY!
Restrictions:
If they have a role, when the server crashes kut will be able to use their ability.
If it is the mafia member that sends in the ban, the mafia's ban is canceled and the kut's ban is counted.
If it is the assassin, the assassin will lose one of their bullets.
If it is a premium member, they will learn of the identities of the other premium members.
If it is a regular member, kut will lose a power steal.

Premium Members - Premium Members are Freemasons. They alone know their identities and number. They only know that each other is innocent.

Regular members - They are simple members. They have no role and exist only to bicker, vote, lynch and sleep. The regular members enemies are the mafia, hackers and Avenger specifically.



Mafia

The Godfather - This is the alpha wolf. If a tie occurs among the mafia votes, The Godfather will decide the ban for the crashed server time. Also, should the assassin target The Godfather, the assassin will fall for their alt, but the next hit will be on the actual member. Everyone will know if their alt falls.

Mafia Members - No one except for the mafia members know whom each other is. No one knows what members their true identities are nor how many there are in the organization. Not until the mafia threat is eliminated will the regular members know they are victorious. The mafia's goal is to even the active player count down to the same number of standing mafia members for a victory by voting together to kill one person each night. Their enemies are regular townpeople, hackers and Duh'venger specifically.



The Ghosts of Hackers Past

About the Faction - This is a mysterious faction whose members simply exist to wreak havoc upon GW. They are their own faction entirely and they are working together to usurp the very fabric of GW. They are working together to be the last standing members, and because their activities are so widely known, their names and number of members are known across the board. The only way to win is to allow all mafia and members to be banned. Their enemies are regular members, mafia and Kagemaru specifically.

Alu - Alu is a member of this mysterious organization. Responsible for the Massacre of April Fools, he exists in this game only to wreak havoc. Once during the crashed server time, he can randomize a person's power and who it will effect, if they chose to activate it. For example, if Alu names the seer's name, a randomized person and their role will be sent back to the seer. If Alu picks a role with a limited number on their power, it will not effect the number of uses remaining. If he selects a member of the mafia, the mafia's ban is only randomized if he picks a mafia that sent a ban request in. Due to GW's firewall, however, Alu will be unable to know whether the results of his power actually worked, unless the results are made known to the public.

Majboothroyd - Majboothroyd is still raged at being de-admined and banned. His goal is to get revenge on GW by slowly banning every member of GW. The twist is, he can only ban a GW member during the active server time.
Restrictions:
If he bans a person with votes, those votes do not count towards anything unless changed. If Maj sends a member's name to be banned while the server is down, it will not count and the next active server time he will not be able to use his power. If the member Maj bans has voted in the active server time before the PM was sent, their vote will still count.

Wicked - Wicked is furious because of the loss of his own administratory level. To attempt to regain control of GW, he is searching for a member to imitate. Once during the game, Wicked may request to assume the identity of one individual. Wicked will receive the full set of powers of that player for the rest of the game. Unfortunately, because GW can see ranking changes of members, they will all know what power Wicked gains, but still not know his identity. He cannot assume the power of another hacker.

Superfly - Superfly is the obnoxious hacker with an obnoxious power. He is able to corrupt the voting process with a bonus power as well. Superfly's vote will not count. It will appear to count to everyone, however in the final total, it will not count. If Superfly does not vote 3 separate times while the server is up, he will be put on Ban on Sight and be out of the game. He gets one chance to find and ban Kagemaru. If he is unsuccessful, the unsuccessful member will become aware of his identity and in turn report and get Superfly banned. If he is successful, however, Kagemaru will die and he will continue to live on in the shadows.

Vinny - Vinny is a sneaky bastard. He is the seer for the hackers. There is a twist, however. In order for him to receive the member's role, a majority of the remaining hackers must send me a PM authorizing this action. If Vinny is able to see someone's role, none of the other hackers will be allowed to use their powers until the next time the server crashes. If Vinny requests a person's role and not enough hackers send authorization PMs, he will get an error message in return.


Independent Roles

Avenger - Avenger is Jekyll. He has the same power as Isis, being a murse (male nurse). Ultimately, however, he will betray the townspeople and be the last person standing in the entire game. That is the only way for him to win. If Al checks Avenger's IP, he will appear as a regular nurse.

Duh'Venger - Duh'Venger is Hyde. He has the same power as the mafia members. To them, he will appear to be a regular mafia member, only himself and Jekyll will know his true identity. If Al checks Duh'Venger's IP, he will appear to be a regular mafia member.

Avenger cannot live without Duh'Venger, and vice versa. If one falls in any way, the other will fall as well. They must work together to be the last men standing and in the end will betray their respective people groups. They are an enemy and yet a friend to all. (Scarily true IRL... heh)

Kagemaru - Kagemaru is the n00b hacker trying to fit in with The Ghost of Hackers Past. Unfortunately, due to his stupidity, he does not know whom the other hackers are. He is able to troll someone each time the server crashes. Because he is a n00b, he only has a 1/6 chance of the troll being successful and ultimately leading to them leave GW. (Basically I will roll a die and if the number is 3, then it will be successful, or else it will fail.) Kagemaru will win with the hackers, however if the hackers are victorious and Kagemaru is still alive, Kagemaru will accidentally delete all of their accounts and will be the last man standing.



Active Server times (Roughly)
EST: 10 AM - 10 PM
CST: 9 AM - 9 PM
MST: 8 AM - 8 PM
PST: 7 AM - 7 PM
GMT: 3 PM - 3 AM
GMT+12: 3 AM - 3 PM (sorry guys...)

And another thing to not over-analyze: people that I use in the stories, I am not selecting them because of their roles. So DO NOT EVER assume that.

A lot of people have been messaging me about this, so let me just go ahead and address it.

Yes, if you do not play in 3 straight day phases, I'll knock you out of the game. If you have complications, being responsible and letting me know ahead of time will grant you leniency, as some have already done.

HOWEVER, I will be keeping track of people's activity. If you abuse this, I will kick you as that is entirely unfair to everyone, no matter what role you are. So if you skip two days then post in the third, and then skip the next few days and post in the third, I will send you a PM warning you, and, no matter what reason, if you miss one more day I will boot you.

This seems reasonable to me. I mean, for Christ's sake, you signed up to PLAY a game, not to WATCH a game.


Active Players

Alice!
Alu
AmphidorasRayne
Beast.
Cleru Zentsu
CM Punk
Crazy Hobo
Dan_Dunn
Darrcyphfeid
TheDukeofBoston
FalconZero
Grey Angel
Hyperion
Immortal_Knight
Impulsive
Italian Ninja
Jawni
Jeffie!
Kansas
Killface!
The Kittle One
Koco Puffs
Lukas Mattieau
Major Isoor
Metal Gear Azn
Mike!
Misato
Mr. Blue!
Mr. Jack
Northern Lights
Operative #19
RedHotSun
Spindrift
Storm Wolf
Tokito
The Unwanted
Vaati
Vermillion
Zero 24


Banned Players
A ~ Regular Member (removed due to actual GW ban)
The Nitelyfe ~ Premium Member (lynched Active Server Time. Phase 1)
Insane Man ~ Mafia (dropped out; role reassigned)
shortkut ~ Regular Member (killed by Majboothroyd during Active Server Phase 2)
sidewinder ~ Regular Member (lynched Active Server Phase 2)
Klowny ~ Regular Member (killed by Mafia during Crashed Server Phase 3)
Miss Understood ~ Regular Member (killed by Beha during Crashed Server Phase 3.)
Bulbasaurus Rex ~ Regular member (lynched by tie vote Active Server Phase 3)
Grave_Digger ~ Regular Member (killed by Mafia Crashed Server Phase 3)
TD ~ Apollo (killed by Majboothroyd during Active Server Phase 4)
xXUndergroundXx ~ Vinny (removed for being inactive)
`GWJumpman ~ Regular Member (removed for being inactive)
PsychoMantis ~ Regular Member (removed for being inactive)
Dragonese/Kurt CoBANG ~ Regular Member (lynched Active Server Phase 4)
modi25 ~ Isis (killed by Mafia during Crashed Server Phase 4)
The Flame ~ Alu (lynched Active Server Phase 5)
Moongem ~ Superfly (Removed for inactivity.)
Benzine ~ Mafia (Blacklotus) (Killed by Mafia during Crashed Server Phase 5)
Ford Mustang ~ Al (Assassinated by Beha)
Vi3tgaMs4lyf ~ Premium Member (Lynched Active Server Phase 6)
Metal Fingers ~ Mafia (Crazy Jaime) (killed by shortkut during Crashed Server Phase 6)
Cody. ~ Regular Mafia (killed by Majboothroyd during Active Server Phase 7.)



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The mafia reconvened after killing their own, trying to reorganize and figure out what to do next.

They began to analyze the proceedings from the previous days to figure out just who knew too much. They landed on Mr. Jack.

Setting out to achieve their goals, they went to his house late at night when they knew he would be asleep. They sent a lone assassin in to do the deed, none other, than Metal Fingers.

He snuck into the house and found whom he thought was Meta Jack hiding in his bed. Aiming the gun at Mr. Jack's head, he pulled the trigger and cringed for the expected squish. He didn't hear a sound. He opened his eyes and saw his bullet hanging in mid-air. How was this possible!

Suddenly the figure sat up. It wasn't Mr. Jack at all, but shortkut! shortkut looked at the assassin in sheer misbelief, it was none other than Crazy Jamie!

"I thought you were dead!" kut shouted.

"I pretended to be dead to help the mafia take down GW. Pay was much better and that lawyer thing completely busted. I had nowhere else to turn to."

"Well then, let it be my privilege to put you out of your sad misery," declared kut.

With that, the bullet turned around and shot right through Crazy Jamie's head, killing him instantly. He walked to the window to see the scene below.

Outside Mr. Jack's house, the mafia had gotten into a gunfight with him and Avenger. Running as fast as possible, they dove behind a tool shed, gasping for air. The gunfire stopped, kut had put up an impenetrable field inbetween them and the mafia.

"OWWWWWW!!! My leg!" screamed Mr. Jack. He had been severely injured running across his lawn.

"Don't worry Mr. Jack, I'll make sure you make it through this alive." Avenger replied.

"Thanks. You're the best, Isis." Mr. Jack said. Avenger cringed, remembering that eventually, he would have to betray this man.

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Metal Fingers has been killed by shortkut. He was Mafia, specifically Crazy Jaime.

An attempt to kill Mr. Jack was made by the mafia. He was protected by Avenger.



ATTN: NIGHT ROLES
Okay, here's the deal.

I am leaving Thursday morning for the airport. Tonight's day phase will close on time. HOWEVER, the day phase will open probably somewhere around 3-5 AM EST. At this point, Ford Mustang will begin to be your co-host for this game.

He will pick up slack where I am unable to work because of my inability to access the internet in Iowa. This means, send all PMs to Ford Mustang and myself.





I repeat, send ALL PMs to Ford Mustang and myself.


More info later. I'm exhausted after jumping 40 feet into a sinkhole. Lynch a motherf*cker.

Also: I didn't have enough time today to do inactives. That'll happen tomorrow. So today REALLY is their last chance. Let them know.

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 02:25 AM
Ford could do them. Ford's now Wolf Bitch. :D

CM Punk
May 6th, 2009, 03:28 AM
Making a post in case I am unable to make it within the next 3 phases... Will edit in vote after re-reading previous phases.

EDIT: Voting Lukas Mattieau on account of definitely not being a regular member, as pointed out in Phase 4.
EDIT2: Spell Jamie's name correctly please :D *surprised no-one has pointed it out yet*

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 05:46 AM
... Vengy protected Mr. Jack? Hmm...

I'm holding my vote for now. I need to check up on things. It'll be between Metal Fingers and Cody. though.

Spindrift
May 6th, 2009, 05:54 AM
Gonna continue my vote of Hyperion.

Major Isoor
May 6th, 2009, 06:28 AM
Hey, so does day phase normally begin at this time, or is it just a one-off, since I could live like this :D (it's 8:30pm, I'm pretty sure it would be a one off, but whatever)

Also, abstaining until the morning, when I've got some more posts to look at, but if I don't come back in fourteen hours, assume that I'd vote for Metal Fingers again. :D

Cavalier!
May 6th, 2009, 07:56 AM
Metal fingers is already dead major. Gonna vote CM punk for a revenge vote. We are seriously killing too many suspects to quickly not that that's a bad thing. But at the rate were going its becoming harder to find suspicious people.

RedHotSun
May 6th, 2009, 08:11 AM
If Avenger protected Mr. Jack, there has to be a reason he would do that. I'm going to say Mr. Jack on the hunch that Avenger can't live without him.

Edit: I just read the story. I didn't realize the mafia tried to kill him last night. I'm going to unbold Mr. Jack for right now, so don't count me or Major Isoor's votes(seeing as how he voted for a dead guy, being Metal Fingers) for now.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 08:22 AM
Voting Kansas because he so quickly took after what Metal Fingers said last phase (about voting Cody.). Cody. is still one of my suspicions, but I think he can wait.

Constantine
May 6th, 2009, 10:30 AM
So shortkut is the gypsy?

shortkut is the gypsy. Throughout the game, kut is a regular member. However, thrice during the game, he may pick a member during the active server time and request their role.

So he requested a role, and what happened exactly?

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 10:34 AM
Well, he can choose a member and PM that to Beha. If that member is some special role, he can then PM Beha again and request his or hers special power for himself.

Looks like this time he got some mafia members power, since the mafia didn't make their own kill.

Constantine
May 6th, 2009, 10:52 AM
I don't get what happened. Did he assume Isis' role and protect Jack?

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 11:00 AM
No... Avenger can protect as well. It says it clearly in the first post that Avenger protected Jack.

Why he did that, I dont know. I'd have to say Beha tried to kill Jack, but failed at it thanks to Vengy.

Whale Biologist
May 6th, 2009, 11:01 AM
I'm going to vote for Mr. Jack. If Avenger protected him, it's a good bet that he is fact Duh'Venger. If the Mafia tried to kill him, they may know this.

AmphidorasRayne
May 6th, 2009, 11:19 AM
Mr Jack cuz i agree w/ dan

Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 11:31 AM
Votes
Hyperion (1) - Spindrift
Kansas (1) - Mr. Jack
Lukas Mattieau (1) - CM Punk
Mr. Jack (2) - AmphidorasRayne, Dan_Dunn

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 11:46 AM
I'm going to vote for Mr. Jack. If Avenger protected him, it's a good bet that he is fact Duh'Venger. If the Mafia tried to kill him, they may know this.
This is the most I see us having in terms of a plan right now...its always fishy when someone gets protected in the night, especially when its not a character like Isis.

changed my vote, look down.

Zero 24
May 6th, 2009, 12:07 PM
Looks like this time he got some mafia members power, since the mafia didn't make their own kill.

How do you know the mafia didn't make their own kill?also because you get the games in the VGH

Vote: Jawni

:D

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 12:54 PM
Because it would say the mafia killed someone in the kill board, that's why. :P

And stop trying to accuse me of anything and go back to update the VGH. D=

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Because it would say the mafia killed someone in the kill board, that's why. :P

And stop trying to accuse me of anything and go back to update the VGH. D=
Welp...I'm going to end up changing my vote, because the Mafia was the one who tried to kill Mr. Jack, and he was saved by Avenger.

Meaning shortkut probably ended up with Maj's power for the killing.

And I'm not sure if it was just story telling, but ending it with "Avenger knew he'd have to betray this man"....


out of left field, I'm changing my Vote to Operative #19...at least for the time being.

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 01:09 PM
I'm voting Zero 24 for not paying attention.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 01:11 PM
Welp...I'm going to end up changing my vote, because the Mafia was the one who tried to kill Mr. Jack, and he was saved by Avenger.

Meaning shortkut probably ended up with Maj's power for the killing.

And I'm not sure if it was just story telling, but ending it with "Avenger knew he'd have to betray this man"....

Well... No... Kut didn't get Maj's power, since the kill was done when the server was down. Kut either got Beha's OR some mafia members powers. I'm leaning more towards the mafia one, since he used the power to kill a mafia member, which would be Jamie, since he killed him. That is the logical assumption.

And like the rules say, if Kut gets some mafia members power, the mafias own kill will be nullified, since Kut stole it. So... The only possible person who could also kill when the server was down is Beha. It was Beha who tried to kill Jack.

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 01:17 PM
Except that it was explicitly stated that the Mafia tried to kill Mr. Jack and the Avenger made that not happen. So, more likely, 'kut used Beha's power.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 01:33 PM
*Facepalm*

I was thinking about that and meant to say it, but... I failed to do so. Go me. o_o

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 01:35 PM
I'm still worried about Inlé.

Personally, I would assume that Mr. Jack is Duh'venger.

I know if I was Avenger then I would be trying to save myself.

RedHotSun
May 6th, 2009, 02:13 PM
I don't see any other plausible leads coming up any time soon while I can still be on the net today. So Mr. Jack, I hope I'm right.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 02:20 PM
You all know that if Jack really is Duh'Venger, Avenger will just protect him again and we wont be going anywhere. The mafia will just make another strike and most likely take a reg member out.

... although, Beha, can Avenger protect the person from two attacks? Like if we were to say that both the mob and mafia attacked the person he's protecting, would he be able to deflect both of the attacks?

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 02:35 PM
The nurse can't protect from a lynching. It has to be a night kill.

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 02:44 PM
I don't know why everyone else is ignoring the Avenger cringed, remembering that eventually, he would have to betray this man. part of the update...I mean, like I said it could just be writing, but certainly Avenger would know who Duh'venger is, and would never have to betray him.

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 02:45 PM
Yeah, srsly. changing my vote to Mr. Jack, in hopes of rooting out Jekyll and Hyde.

Jesus 2000
May 6th, 2009, 02:49 PM
Seeing this i'm going for Mr Jack.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 02:50 PM
I don't know why everyone else is ignoring the part of the update...I mean, like I said it could just be writing, but certainly Avenger would know who Duh'venger is, and would never have to betray him.

Well, if you read it again you'd notice Avenger was refering to Jack, the guy he saved there. It's just a part of the story Beha wrote. It says in Avengers and Duh'vengers description that they will eventually betray the townspeople if they want to win the game. They have to be the last two people alive to win. That's why Beha wrote it like that.

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 02:52 PM
Well, if you read it again you'd notice Avenger was refering to Jack, the guy he saved there. It's just a part of the story Beha wrote. It says in Avengers and Duh'vengers description that they will eventually betray the townspeople if they want to win the game. They have to be the last two people alive to win. That's why Beha wrote it like that.
Yes I know, Avenger was referring to Jack in the "eventually will have to betray him" sense. Avenger has to betray TOWNSPEOPLE, and not Duh'venger. He saved jack, and will need to betray him later, that would say Jack is a Townsperson in my mind, since those are the people Avenger is currently helping and will later betray.

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 02:54 PM
I think he just wrote it like that.

Surely he isn't going to say "Jack definitely isn't Duh'venger!"

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I think he just wrote it like that.

Surely he isn't going to say "Jack definitely isn't Duh'venger!"
You never know, but I'll bet we'll find out tonight when Mr. Jack eventually gets lynched.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 03:01 PM
We dont really know what he's up to though. All we know, he could have some kind of a deal with Jack that helps them both out, who knows.

Think about this. Duh'venger is a part of the mafia, right? So he would know which person the mafia would vote for. The two could be having their own fun at the expense of us all by protecting the person the mafia was going to kill and throwing us all off. If you start to think of a reason why, well... Lets look whose heads were on the line in the last phase. They might want us to forget about them and lunch Jack, someone the mafia would've lynched anyways.

Sounds plausible, right?

Italian Ninja
May 6th, 2009, 03:01 PM
Voting Mr. Jack for the reasons previously stated.

TheDukeOfBoston
May 6th, 2009, 03:03 PM
The Mafia wants Jack dead, and they want to kill the Aveng/Duh'veng duo just as much as we do, so why don't we just let them?

I prefer we vote Lukas Matthieu now, because we know he has a role, and it's likely not one we would like. We can worry about Jack later for whatever reason Avenger saw in helping him.

Tez Tickle
May 6th, 2009, 03:10 PM
For what I said a while ago about this person, I will vote for Lukas Mattieau again, and I'm glad someone else has taken what I said in Phase 4 into consideration instead of eagerly defending him (something MF did, if I recall correctly). I couldn't be bothered to show up since Phase 4, so I've missed a lot of stuff. I would have been on last night though, but a power cut prevented me from doing so.

EDIT: Wait... what? Lukas has a-... Well well, looks like I was right to see that there was something not quite right about him, after all.

Whale Biologist
May 6th, 2009, 03:23 PM
I don't know why everyone else is ignoring the part of the update...I mean, like I said it could just be writing, but certainly Avenger would know who Duh'venger is, and would never have to betray him.

It's just writing. I'm sure that Beha wouldn't give things away that blatantly.

The Mafia wants Jack dead, and they want to kill the Aveng/Duh'veng duo just as much as we do, so why don't we just let them?

I prefer we vote Lukas Matthieu now, because we know he has a role, and it's likely not one we would like. We can worry about Jack later for whatever reason Avenger saw in helping him.

Because Avenger can protect him from Mafia kills every night but can't protect him from being lynched by us. That strategy is no good.

Imp!
May 6th, 2009, 03:26 PM
Yes, it's been shown that Lukas has a role. But we're not sure if it's good or bad.

And I'm not sure if Beha's statement about Jack was writing or part of the roles gameplay, but i'm not convinced.

I'm going to vote for Lukas for now, but if something comes up expect it to change.

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 03:45 PM
Hmm... you guys make a good point about the mafia vs jekyll/hyde dynamic. let's leave that alone for a bit and maybe Avenger/Duh'Venger will keep the mafia distracted for a bit.

Changing vote again, now to Lukas.

Imp!
May 6th, 2009, 03:51 PM
Hang on, a question. Does this mean the mafia know kut's identity?

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 03:52 PM
No, I don't think so. 'kut only communicates with the host (Beha and now Ford).

Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 04:02 PM
BTW guys, Maj just dropped a bodybag off at my door.

I looked, and Cody. was inside.

He was a regular member.

Constantine
May 6th, 2009, 04:12 PM
I'm going with Mr.Jack. Mainly because if they protected him, then he must have some role; and i'll feel a whole lot safer with just townies running around.

Operative #19
May 6th, 2009, 04:13 PM
Alright, I'm going with Lukas Mattieau with what you guys have raised. I don't honestly know what's going on anymore because it's tough to keep up when I sleep during the day.

Imp!
May 6th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Goddammit.

Maj is killing the experienced wolf players.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Okay kiddies. Maj made his move and I was keeping my eye out for people. Sadly I missed which of them pulled the trigger, but good thing I never forget a face.

Here's a list of the people who were online just before, during and after Beha posted Maj's kill.

Alice!, Alu, dan_dunn, hyperion, impulsive., Italian Ninja, Jawni, Jeffie!, Killface!, Storm Wolf.

Also, there's few people who had been online couple hours before. Since I stupidly wasn't paying attention to when Beha got online to read his PM's, these guys had been around within 2 hours of the kill.

Northern Lights, RedHotSun, Spindrift.

And one last person who's a mystery since he's hiding.... Operative #19.


At least this narrows it down a little. Thoughts?

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 04:39 PM
You need people who have been online in the last 4 and a half hours. That was when Beha last posted. It could have been any time since then. You gotta list for that?

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 04:41 PM
Okay kiddies. Maj made his move and I was keeping my eye out for people. Sadly I missed which of them pulled the trigger, but good thing I never forget a face.

Here's a list of the people who were online just before, during and after Beha posted Maj's kill.

Alice!, Alu, dan_dunn, hyperion, impulsive., Italian Ninja, Jawni, Jeffie!, Killface!, Storm Wolf.

Also, there's few people who had been online couple hours before. Since I stupidly wasn't paying attention to when Beha got online to read his PM's, these guys had been around within 2 hours of the kill.

Northern Lights, RedHotSun, Spindrift.

And one last person who's a mystery since he's hiding.... Operative #19.


At least this narrows it down a little. Thoughts?
I've been online here for probably a few hours now just in the background, easy to do when you work online.

But I never thought to pay attention the the "Who is on now" list before.

Modest Mouse
May 6th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Hmm. It's really a split between Lukas and Mr Jack. I see more proof of it being jack though at this point so my vote is Mr. Jack

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 04:52 PM
Think about this. Duh'venger is a part of the mafia, right? So he would know which person the mafia would vote for. The two could be having their own fun at the expense of us all by protecting the person the mafia was going to kill and throwing us all off. If you start to think of a reason why, well... Lets look whose heads were on the line in the last phase. They might want us to forget about them and lynch Jack, someone the mafia would've lynched anyways.

Sounds plausible, right?

Think about this... the people who's names I posted where those with either known roles or those who could quite possibly be Mafia or Hackers... I think that I may have hit a nerve with one of those people I had listed. "Duh'venger" knew that the Mafia was gonna kill me, so he had "Avenger" save me. "Duh'venger" and "Avenger" want both Mafia and Members dead, right? "Duh'venger" must think that I'm on to something--Mafia names--and so they see an advantage to keeping me alive for a while. Just saying.

If you want my list of supposed suspects, here it is again:
V3itgams4lyf
Metal Fingers
Cody.
Kansas - followed Metal Fingers' voting for Cody. far too easily for my liking.
Lukas Mattieu - known to have a role

Changing vote from Kansas to Lukas Mattieu.

Imp!
May 6th, 2009, 04:54 PM
Metal Fingers is dead. He was Mafia.

Jawneh
May 6th, 2009, 04:59 PM
You need people who have been online in the last 4 and a half hours. That was when Beha last posted. It could have been any time since then. You gotta list for that?

I just noticed Operative #19 posted soon after Maj's strike. So he's up for hte possible suspects list.

Umm... CM Punk, Northern Lights, RedHotSun, Spindrift belong to that category. (I forgot CM from my first list.) AmphidorasRayne would be literally the very first person to send the PM and Beha to miss it. Cleru Zentsu is at the boarder too. We can also throw in TheDukeofBoston. He even posted in this thread a couple hours ago.

So... recap.



Online during the murder: Alice!, Alu, dan_dunn, hyperion, Impulsive., Italian Ninja, Jawni, Jeffie!, Killface!, Operative #19, Storm Wolf.

Online between Beha's posts: AmphidorasRayne, Cleru Zentsu, CM Punk, Northern Lights, RedHotSun, Spindrift, TheDukeofBoston.


I dont know if Alice or Killface have posted somewhere else at GW already today, but then haven't shown activity at this thread at least. They came online around the time of the strike, so I have my suspicions on them two. Also Rayne and Cleru would be possible for stalking Beha to see when he logs off from GW and then PM the kill and have the most amount of time before Beha spots it.

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 05:02 PM
I'd have listed quite a few as inactive players. They must just make the odd post then leave again for a few days. :D

Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Votes
Hyperion (1) - Spindrift
Jawni (1) - Zero 24
Lukas Mattieau (8) - CM Punk, TheDukeofBoston, Impulsive., Jeffie!, Mr. Jack, Northern Lights, Operative #19, Stormwolf
Mr. Jack (9) - AmphidorasRayne, Dan_Dunn, Hyperion, Italian Ninja, Lukas Mattieau, RedHotSun, Vaati, Vermillion
Operative #19, Tokito (1) - Alu

Keep in mind I am doing Maj/post for protection times by timestamps on the PM and posts.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 05:05 PM
Alright, I'm going with Lukas Mattieau with what you guys have raised. I don't honestly know what's going on anymore because it's tough to keep up when I sleep during the day.

Seem like a suspicious cover-up as a Maj possibility?

Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I will check all inactives tonight. I am so sorry I didn't do them last night.

For like four hours during the day I was at the pool rocking basketball. Then I went to a sinkhole and jumped 40-50 feet into it multiple times, then we all came back to my place for intense Rock Band drumming sessions.

You can see why I was too tired to do the inactives, lol. But I am prepping everything for Ford today/tonight, so I'll have it all set up tonight and the names taken off.

Tez Tickle
May 6th, 2009, 05:07 PM
I voted Lukas Mattieau a while back, Beha, and I bolded it.

Cavalier!
May 6th, 2009, 05:09 PM
Voting Mr. Jack I don't want to be lynched again.

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 05:10 PM
How long do we have?

Tez Tickle
May 6th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Voting Mr. Jack I don't want to be lynched again.

What do you mean by again?

Mystic Wolf
May 6th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Arghh!! I am torn between voting for Lukas or Mr. Jack. Both sound really suspicous in my mind. One was protected form the Mafia killing but that could have been done for the Mafia's or avenger/duh venger's own personal gain or Lukas who is know to have a role from Phase 4 ( If I remeber right). I guess I am going to vote for Mr. Jack as well, sigh, to be honest though having either of them around is risk that can't be taken.

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 05:17 PM
lol at Tokito having "Hyde" in his signature. :D

Anyway, I'm going to have to vote for Lukas. He just looks more suspicious to me, whereas Jack looks like he may be an asset.

Cavalier!
May 6th, 2009, 05:17 PM
What do you mean by again?

In every other Wolf/ mafia game i've ever played, i've been lynched at the start. This is the furthest ive ever gotten in a wolf game.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Okay, here is a revised list of those who are possibilities:

Kansas -
Metal Fingers (Mafia) voted for Cody. to throw blame off of self. Kansas followed Metal Fingers' example to easily for my liking.

Lukas Mattieau -
Known to have a role.

Operative #19 -
Ford Mustang (Seer) voted for him.

e: NOTE: We should still be looking at veteran players. It is suicide for a Mafia to keep players who are good at the game alive (which is why I believe Klowny and shortkut were killed early on). This is only my second Wolf game--the first where I lasted past Phase 2--so others' input on who veteran players are would be appreciated.

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 05:24 PM
lol at Tokito having "Hyde" in his signature. :D
Or her?

Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 05:26 PM
Leaderboard updated to here.

Phase closes at 10 PM like usual.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 05:30 PM
Or her?

I lol'd when I saw that.

Kansas
May 6th, 2009, 05:36 PM
Cody.

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 05:37 PM
Cody.
Cody was killed off this page.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 05:39 PM
BTW guys, Maj just dropped a bodybag off at my door.

I looked, and Cody. was inside.

He was a regular member.

Cody.'s dead.

e: 'Rodded. Damn you, Alu. Took too long to find the quote.

Kansas
May 6th, 2009, 05:45 PM
MF. Also the other thing I said to myself when I just found that out too! lol

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 05:47 PM
If that's a Metal Fingers vote... he's dead too.

From what Kansas just posted, he either really isn't Mafia, or he's just messing with us to make us think that he isn't.

Krazy Koco King
May 6th, 2009, 05:51 PM
Metal fingers is already dead major. Gonna vote CM punk for a revenge vote. We are seriously killing too many suspects to quickly not that that's a bad thing. But at the rate were going its becoming harder to find suspicious people.

Thankfully, we're not quite out of suspects yet. We still have one more to go.

EDIT: Voting Lukas Mattieau on account of definitely not being a regular member, as pointed out in Phase 4.

Lukas Mattieau

Mr. Blue!
May 6th, 2009, 05:52 PM
Lukas Mattieau

I think the reasons posted before can explain my vote.

Kansas
May 6th, 2009, 05:53 PM
No, I'm just tired right now. Long day and I still gotta work after dinner.
Lukas Mattieau

Sorry, gotta go with the crowd on this one.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 05:54 PM
The mafia reconvened after killing their own, trying to reorganize and figure out what to do next.

They began to analyze the proceedings from the previous days to figure out just who knew too much. They landed on Mr. Jack.

It could be story-telling, or it could be truth. I'm just saying that I think I hit the Mafia's nerve with my suspicions.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Not quite out of suspicions, Koco Puffs. Kansas and Operative #19 are still on my list. (Reasons why are in post #67.)

e: Double-'rodded.

Immortal_Knight
May 6th, 2009, 05:58 PM
i shall go with lukas because i like being on a bandwagon.

Constantine
May 6th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Way to be inconspicuous.

Also, i have been out all day, and i'm not going back through pages of threads, so, Jack, what did you say that stirred the mafia?

Northern Lights
May 6th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Good spot with the Seer, Jack.

I think it is just storytelling, though.

Mr. Jack
May 6th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Also, i have been out all day, and i'm not going back through pages of threads, so, Jack, what did you say that stirred the mafia?
Perhaps the list of people I gave. I may have had one or two Mafia in there.

Good spot with the Seer, Jack.
After Ford Mustang was taken out, I found it necessary to go through and check everything he said and for who he voted. (I posted a list of all of his suspicions and votes in the last Phase, near the end of the day.) Operative #19 is the only one on that list who is still alive.

I think it is just storytelling, though.
That's what I first thought. But then I got thinking about the people I listed. They could have been Mafia. Other than that, the Mafia had no real reason to kill me. I'm not a veteran player. This is only my second Wolf/Mafia game, and I didn't last past Phase 2. I don't think that qualifies me as veteran.

e: Here's that list I compiled about Ford Mustang:
Phase One -
n/a

Phase Two -
Voted:
sidewinder -> Regular Member
Other Suspicion(s):
n/a

Phase Three -
Voted:
Operative #19 -> No logic given. <<<LOOK HERE!!!>>> Despite no logic, it was still our Seer that voted for him.
Other Suspicion(s):
n/a

Phase Four -
Voted:
Dragonese/Kurt CoBANG -> Regular Member
Other Suspicion(s):
n/a

Phase Five -
Voted:
Cody. -> Regular Member
Other Suspicion(s):
Vi3tgams4lyf -> Premium Member

e2: Also, here is my suspicions list again:
Kansas -
Metal Fingers (Mafia) voted for Cody. to throw blame off of self. Kansas followed Metal Fingers' example to easily for my liking.

Lukas Mattieau -
Known to have a role.

Operative #19 -
Ford Mustang (Seer) voted for him.

NOTE: We should still be looking at veteran players. It is suicide for a Mafia to keep players who are good at the game alive (which is why I believe Klowny and shortkut were killed early on). This is only my second Wolf game--the first where I lasted past Phase 2--so others' input on who veteran players are would be appreciated.

Italian Ninja
May 6th, 2009, 06:19 PM
Changing my vote to Lukas

Liquid!
May 6th, 2009, 06:20 PM
I got to vote Lukas Mattieau.

Major Isoor
May 6th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Metal fingers is already dead major.

Uh... hm... Well, that IS a problem... :blush:

Hang on, couldn't Mr Jack be Duh'venger, and the mafia were trying to take him out again, and Avenger was using his Isis-like powers to protect him? :hmm: But anyway, seeing as I'm not fully sure who to vote for, and my vote no doubt wouldn't matter, I guess I'll get a head start for next turn go for Kansas, since he's also on the suspect list. :-\

Alu
May 6th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Uh... hm... Well, that IS a problem... :blush:

Hang on, couldn't Mr Jack be Duh'venger, and the mafia were trying to take him out again, and Avenger was using his Isis-like powers to protect him? :hmm: But anyway, seeing as I'm not fully sure who to vote for, and my vote no doubt wouldn't matter, I guess I'll get a head start for next turn go for Kansas, since he's also on the suspect list. :-\
We already went over a lot of that, you may want to go over this thread to see a lot of the theories that have come about.

Killface!
May 6th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Anyway, I'm going to have to vote for Lukas. He just looks more suspicious to me, whereas Jack looks like he may be an asset.

I'm going to have to agree with Northern Lights.

Voting: Lukas

Major Isoor
May 6th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Ok, so I've checked the previous pages (and got a few mod tags while I was at it) but I'm still not really sure who to vote, so I suppose I'll stick with what I said earlier :-\

FalconZero
May 6th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Wow, you guys analyze everything before I even get a chance to read it!

After reading everything that has been said, I gotta go with Lukas

Mystic Wolf
May 6th, 2009, 08:37 PM
lol at Tokito having "Hyde" in his signature.

I am a she and do you even keep up with Japanese pop culture?


Anyway, after thinking things over I am going to change my vote Lukas

Major Isoor
May 6th, 2009, 08:45 PM
I am a she and do you even keep up with Japanese pop culture?

Do you keep up with southern Cambodia's pop culture? :hmm:

Warp
May 6th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Online during the murder: Alice!, Alu, dan_dunn, hyperion, Impulsive., Italian Ninja, Jawni, Jeffie!, Killface!, Operative #19, Storm Wolf.

Online between Beha's posts: AmphidorasRayne, Cleru Zentsu, CM Punk, Northern Lights, RedHotSun, Spindrift, TheDukeofBoston.

Maj killed someone on May 1st, but Cleru Zentsu wasn't active that day (more specifically the first two days; Cleru was up for elimination through inactivity). Likewise Maj killed someone on May 3rd, but Alice! and CM Punk weren't active that day.

Which leaves: AmphidorasRayne, Alu, Dan_Dunn, Hyperion, Impulsive., Italian Ninja, Jawni, Jeffie!, Killface!, Northern Lights, Operative #19, RedHotSun, Spindrift, Storm Wolf and TheDukeofBoston.

I'm personally leaning towards AmphidorasRayne, mostly due to the fact that she was online during the first two Phases but didn't participate. Though that's not exactly concrete evidence of anything.

I'll go ahead and vote for Lukas Mattieau. If the Mafia wants Mr. Jack dead they need us to lynch him, otherwise Avenger will keep saving him. Once the Mafia has been reduced to rubble we can worry about who Mr. Jack is or what role(s) he may have.

Grimm
May 6th, 2009, 09:02 PM
>.> that sorta stings, y'know.

I vote Lukas Mattieau .

Mystic Wolf
May 6th, 2009, 09:17 PM
Do you keep up with southern Cambodia's pop culture? :hmm:

What does that have to do with anything?

Major Isoor
May 6th, 2009, 09:23 PM
What does that have to do with anything?

What does keeping up with the Japanese pop culture have to do anything with wolf, either? :hmm: :P

Jeffie!
May 6th, 2009, 09:31 PM
It has to do with the unrelated quote, not Wolf. Pay attention, Isoor.

Major Isoor
May 6th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Yeah, and I was just building on that :confused: And since Tokito asked what my part of the conversation had to do with anything, so I thought I might as well ask the same thing about her part :hmm:

Zeus Bigalow
May 6th, 2009, 10:14 PM
Isoor, shut the hell up. Anyhow... the results:

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After Avenger's act of kindness from the previous night, he went to go meet up with his alter ego, Duh'Venger.

He walked around the corner to see a mob cornering him. Shouting, he cried out in a last ditch effort:


ATTENTION: THE NOT-SO-HOT DUH'VENGER HAS SOMETHING TO BRAY!

Duh'venger swears that Duh'venger is not mafia nor any mafia-related character.

This would just be stupid because Duh'venger does not need other members to help him win a game. He is much more intelligent than you puny regular townspeople.


THE NOT-SO-HOT DUH'VENGER HAS SPEWED!
:guns:Klowny:smash: :cletus:

"He must be Duh'Venger! GET HIM!!!" Someone in the mob cried. They began to beat and stab and kick him until his eyes rolled into the back of his head.

At that moment, his body began to glow with a bright, white light. The townspeople, blinded fell back trying to see what was going on.

The light shot into the sky and arced over to where Avenger was standing. He cried out in anguish.


ATTENTION THE GREAT AVENGER HAS SOMETHING TO SAY

Curses, foiled again! I'll get you next time! And your little Klown too!

THE GREAT AVENGER HAS SPOKEN:smash::hmm:


And just as quickly as the light had appeared, the light disappeared. The townspeople looked around.

"We got one!" One cried. "WE GOT ONE!!! HOO-RAY!!! WE'RE SO SMART!! WE ACTUALLY USED LOGIC TO FIND A MEMBER OF THE MAFIA AND NOT BLIND, DUMB LUCK!! HOO-RAY!!!!" They all shouted.

And with that, they all went to Celebrations and Parties to have some cake and free rep.
------------------------------------------


Lukas Mattieau has been lynched. He was Duh'Venger.

His eighteen murderers were: Beast., Cleru Zentsu, CM Punk, Darrcyphfied, TheDukeofBoston, FalconZero, Immortal_Knight, Impulsive., Jeffie!, Kansas, Killface!, Koco Puffs, Mr. Bue, Mr. Jack, Northern Lights, Operative #19, Storm Wolf, Tokito

Due to this fact, his alter ego, Vaati has fallen dead. He was Avenger.


The server has crashed! It will be up around 5-5:30 AM today, so get everything in now!

Instructions on how the next few days are going to go will appear soon. Also, inactives will be thrown out shortly.