The 2000's?

[Magneto]

Well, the decade is winding down (wow, another ten years gone), and I was wondering what you-all thought about the 00's when it comes to music. People fight all the time about which decade had the best music (I personally favor the 80's) and I was wondering where you thought this ten-year group would fit in with the others.

Discuss, and thanks in advance.

[Spiner202]

Well in terms of what's been popular, this decade has been pretty terrible. There's really not much more I can say because I don't like very much popular music.

For what I listen to, it's actually been decent. Thrash has been making a resurgance in the last year or so and I expect it to get better. There have also been some decent Power Metal releases. There's certainly been enough to keep me happy this decade.

Compared to other years (for what I listen to), I would say it goes like this for me:

80's>>>00's>70's>>90's

I don't listen to anything before the 70's any really it's only there because of Alice Cooper (and the odd song from Black Sabbath or Judas Priest :))

[Magneto]

I prefer 80's (thank you god), 90's, 00's, 70's, but there are a ton of songs from the 00's that have become staples in my ipod, so I can't complain to much about your rather high rating of them :D.

[Conscience]

Most of my songs are from the early 00's (BTW, that's pronounced "noughties"), and I'd say it wasn't a bad decade for music. Though, when the 00's started I was only six and couldn't really get into anything other than the Wiggles.

[Dan]

Yeah, the 2000s have been generally terrible. I only really listen to no more than 10 or so artists who either began performing in the decade or began during the 90s.

Personally, I can only go with the 70s and 60s outweighing everything, and the 80s being last.

[lk6.200]

Well in terms of what's been popular, this decade has been pretty terrible. There's really not much more I can say because I don't like very much popular music.

"Popular" (i.e. mainstream, or whatever the record companies pay radio stations to play) music has utterly sucked for the most part. *thinks about soldier boy for a second. shudders violently* Most of the good music that's popular now is by bands that got their start 10-20 years ago (Disturbed comes to mind).

[Fire King]

When it comes to what I really dig listening to, the 2000s has been awesome.

Kid A in 2000 and Amnesiac in 2001, from Radiohead.
Is This It, one of the best albums of the 2000s, by The Strokes in 2001.
Turn On The Bright Lights from Interpol, 2002.
Franz Ferdinand by Franz Ferdinand and Hot Fuss by The Killers, two awesome debuts, both in 2004.
Hail to the Thief from Radiohead in 2004.
You Could Have It So Much Better, Franz Ferdinand, 2005.
Sam's Town, from The Killers, 2006.
Black Holes and Revelations from Muse in 2006.
In Rainbows from Radiohead in 2007.
Day & Age from The Killers in 2008.
And, recently, Tonight: Franz Ferdinand in 2009.

On the flip side:

Country music becomes more and more annoyingly formulaic.
Soulja Boy.
Avenged Sevenfold and whatever genre of music they play.
Bands/artists that don't write their own songs become common as hell.
The Jonas Brothers.
On top of that, the whole teeny-bop movement in general.
The dwindling originality of music.

[Spiner202]

"Popular" (i.e. mainstream, or whatever the record companies pay radio stations to play) music has utterly sucked for the most part. *thinks about soldier boy for a second. shudders violently* Most of the good music that's popular now is by bands that got their start 10-20 years ago (Disturbed comes to mind).

That's not all true. Alice Cooper was popular at a time (in a bad way, but still popular :D). Even 25 years ago, Michael Jackson may have been huge, but bands like Iron Maiden and Metallica could be considered popular (they still can to an extent, but it's not the same as it was back then).

[Cytosine]

Apart from a couple of artists (such as The Killers), most of the music that came out in the 00s that I like is by artists that started earlier than 2000 (i.e. Radiohead, Muse, Metallica, etc). Still, it's been a good decade as a whole.

[Kid_A]

I feel like the "00's" has been pretty important for bringing the "indie" genre to the main stream. While a lot of people are probably pissy about that (i.e. "I've been listening to modest mouse since they started! OMG! WTF! Nobody else should love them because I already do!") I personally think it's wonderful that others get to not only have more of a variety in their musical tastes, but people get to love the music I love without me having to force them to listen to my mix CD's. :D

[Magneto]

I feel like the "00's" has been pretty important for bringing the "indie" genre to the main stream. While a lot of people are probably pissy about that (i.e. "I've been listening to modest mouse since they started! OMG! WTF! Nobody else should love them because I already do!") I personally think it's wonderful that others get to not only have more of a variety in their musical tastes, but people get to love the music I love without me having to force them to listen to my mix CD's. :D

I definetly agree there. This decade, if remembered for anything, it's gonna be for how much genres began to blend and how the people who listened to them changed as well. We saw a lot of people who were only into country start listening to rap, or those who listened to rap branching off into rock. I'm not sure how this is nation-wide, but where I'm at, I've noticed a definite change. A while ago, it seemed like if you liked country, that's all you liked. Punk rocker? That was your thing. Now we've got people saying "I listen to pretty much anything". That's good for music.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I dunno, I've had a hard time distinguishing an actual time period of music that would define the 2000s. It didn't seem too different from the mid to late 90s for me after grunge died down. From there on out it just seemed to go from one big pop band to the next.

As for my own tastes, Maiden came back in full force in 2000, power metal became popular to a point, some pop bands actually made something worth listening to (Franz, Killers, Muse) and Rush released two really good albums.

[Dan]

I was really under the impression that Franz were more art rock than anything else, but Muse are in no way pop! They're far more on the prog/art/elements of classical side of things.

[Conscience]

Wow, a lot of people liked Radiohead and Muse. There are probably about 6 people in my school (out of 1500) who have even listened to these bands, let alone liked them. They spend their music time listening to T.I and Rihanna and Pop/Hip Hop like that.
That's the internet for you.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I was really under the impression that Franz were more art rock than anything else, but Muse are in no way pop! They're far more on the prog/art/elements of classical side of things.

I dunno, Black Holes and Revelations sounded pretty pop to me. Franz's new album is like... what the hell but their self titled was very poppy. They are a different flavor, but its still pop.

And I never said it was a bad thing. Those are some mighty fine records.

[Dan]

You could argue that Muse was pop, but I'd avoid the title because the lyrics and music are far more intelligent.

Wow, a lot of people liked Radiohead and Muse. There are probably about 6 people in my school (out of 1500) who have even listened to these bands, let alone liked them.

I'm one of 3 Radiohead fans, and maybe 1 of 5 Muse fans at my school.

[The JoZ]

I don't feel the 2000-2009 period has been defined by any one set of music. There's been a lot that has come out in many genres that has been great and a lot of downright terrible music.

Tool had "Lateralus" and "10000 Days"
Dream Theater had "Train of Thought", "Octavarium", "Systematic Chaos" and an album out later this year.
All That Remains put out "This Darkened Heart", "The Fall of Ideals", and "Overcome"
Unearth with "The Oncoming Storm", "III: In the Eyes of Fire", and "The March"
Killswitch Engage with "Alive or Just Breathing", "The End of Heartache", "As Daylight Dies"
Soilwork had "Natural Born Chaos", "Stabbing the Drama" and "Sworn to a Great Divide"

In Hard Rock, Breaking Benjamin put out great cuts like "We Are Not Alone" and "Phobia", Memento had their only CD in 2003, "Beginnings" as did Motograter's self-titled album. Chevelle got famous off of The Red from "Wonder What's Next", and followed up with "This Type Of Thinking..." A Perfect Circle had both of their albums in the 2000's as well.

Conversely, there were a lot of awful bands to get airplay; Fall Out Boy, Good Charlotte, The Killers, The White Stripes, pretty much any of these whiney-ass indie rock bands.

A lot of atrocious hip-hop, and by that I mean pretty much anything with Lil' Jon going "YEAH!" in it, a lot of not very good pop (Ashlee Simpson's famous SNL FAIL moment comes to mind) and yeah.

Honestly, I think all of these trends will continue. There will be more good metal, some more good hard rock, probably some halfway decent non-heavy rock, and a bunch of crap.

Don't see any reason for that paradigm to shift in the near future.

[lk6.200]

A lot of atrocious hip-hop, and by that I mean pretty much anything with Lil' Jon going "YEAH!" in it, a lot of not very good pop (Ashlee Simpson's famous SNL FAIL moment comes to mind) and yeah.

Isn't that basically all he does?

If anything, Metalcore will be the defining subgenre of hard rock/metal for this decade.

[The_virus]

I'm one of 3 Radiohead fans, and maybe 1 of 5 Muse fans at my school.

That doesn't sound like post-secondary education to me, Radiohead is huge with the university-age crowd, same with Muse.

I disagree that Metalcore will define the Noughties after the fact. Pop culture always holds the leash, so the fake 'emo' scene, and Britney Spears will reign supreme.

[The JoZ]

That doesn't sound like post-secondary education to me, Radiohead is huge with the university-age crowd, same with Muse.

I disagree that Metalcore will define the Noughties after the fact. Pop culture always holds the leash, so the fake 'emo' scene, and Britney Spears will reign supreme.

Metalcore may not define it completely, but it will be one of the bigger players.

Metalcore
Whine Rock
"Screamo"
New Hip-Hop/Rap

Will be remembered as four of the biggest music-makers of the decade, I think.

Britney Spears only reigns because she lost her sh*t and went crazy for a while. Musically, she's not nearly what she used to be at this point...

[Demikain]

There has been a ton of great music and a ton of bad music, as always. I don't think this decade has been different to any of the last three quality-wise.

[Dan]

That doesn't sound like post-secondary education to me, Radiohead is huge with the university-age crowd, same with Muse.

I'm in Year 11, lol.

[Conscience]

Conversely, there were a lot of awful bands to get airplay; Fall Out Boy, Good Charlotte, The Killers, The White Stripes, pretty much any of these whiney-ass indie rock bands.


No way! Just because that scene of music had its run in 2005-7 doesn't mean it has to bring down the entire decade!
BTW, I have at least one song from each of these bands.

[Two Angels And A Dream]

Reality TV shows mass producing the same bands/singers have killed any credibility that the years 2000-2010 may have had.

[Vermillion]

Most the stuff i listen to comes from bands that began either in the 90's or before. But i've got into a couple bands that debut this decade like 1349, 3 Inches Of Blood. But the albums from the older bands that have been released are awesome, such as all of Iron Maiden's, Dimmu Borgir's, Arch Enemy's, Slipknot's and Metallica's last alubum was good. There are other's but can't be arsed to list them. As for the mainstream, chart dominating music 99% of it has been total sh*t.

NP: Clouds Over California - Devildriver

[Civil Disobedient]

Categorising whole decades of musical output as good or bad is quite frankly laughable.

Coming up next: which colour of album sleeves is the best? All blue cover sleeves suck!

[Demikain]

Categorising whole decades of musical output as good or bad is quite frankly laughable.

Coming up next: which colour of album sleeves is the best? All blue cover sleeves suck!
but dude slipknot's new album ownz so this decade must be better than like the 90s when it was all just the backstreet boys

[One Of Light]

well... fortunately guitar solos came back in the 00's... so that gives that particular generation a bit of boost with me...
00's, then the late 60's/70's... then the 90's... then the 80's... the 80's were such a mixed bag that I can't rate them very high, unfortunately the 90's fall lower as well due to the onset of Rap as a "legitimate style of music..."
which developed in the late 80's so...

I don't feel the 2000-2009 period has been defined by any one set of music. There's been a lot that has come out in many genres that has been great and a lot of downright terrible music.

Tool had "Lateralus" and "10000 Days"
Dream Theater had "Train of Thought", "Octavarium", "Systematic Chaos" and an album out later this year.
All That Remains put out "This Darkened Heart", "The Fall of Ideals", and "Overcome"
Unearth with "The Oncoming Storm", "III: In the Eyes of Fire", and "The March"
Killswitch Engage with "Alive or Just Breathing", "The End of Heartache", "As Daylight Dies"
Soilwork had "Natural Born Chaos", "Stabbing the Drama" and "Sworn to a Great Divide"

In Hard Rock, Breaking Benjamin put out great cuts like "We Are Not Alone" and "Phobia", Memento had their only CD in 2003, "Beginnings" as did Motograter's self-titled album. Chevelle got famous off of The Red from "Wonder What's Next", and followed up with "This Type Of Thinking..." A Perfect Circle had both of their albums in the 2000's as well.

Conversely, there were a lot of awful bands to get airplay; Fall Out Boy, Good Charlotte, The Killers, The White Stripes, pretty much any of these whiney-ass indie rock bands.

A lot of atrocious hip-hop, and by that I mean pretty much anything with Lil' Jon going "YEAH!" in it, a lot of not very good pop (Ashlee Simpson's famous SNL FAIL moment comes to mind) and yeah.

Honestly, I think all of these trends will continue. There will be more good metal, some more good hard rock, probably some halfway decent non-heavy rock, and a bunch of crap.

Don't see any reason for that paradigm to shift in the near future.

Not to mention Good Apollo vols I and II came out in the same time period... both great records from Coheed and Cambria...

[Jofish]

In the 00's you got new bands like The Decemberists, Mae, Motion City Soundtrack, Interpol, The Killers.

You also have great albums by existing acts, The Slip, Year Zero and With Teeth came out in the 00's, we also say the return and re imagining of Greenday.

[Demikain]

well... fortunately guitar solos came back in the 00's... so that gives that particular generation a bit of boost with me...
00's, then the late 60's/70's... then the 90's... then the 80's... the 80's were such a mixed bag that I can't rate them very high, unfortunately the 90's fall lower as well due to the onset of Rap as a "legitimate style of music..."
which developed in the late 80's so...
Guitar solos never went anywhere, they've been prominent since they first began.

Also, most of my favourite rap and hip hop has come from the noughties. Stuff like Doseone, Why?, cLOUDDEAD and Boom Bip. To say rap isn't a legitimate style of music is plain stupid.

[Dan]

I'd just like to note for future reference, that RickAL was involved in a huge argument against this forum because he hated on other's musical opinions but listened to Avenged Sevenfold and could not support his thesis.

[xxSlipknotxx]

Categorising whole decades of musical output as good or bad is quite frankly laughable.

Coming up next: which colour of album sleeves is the best? All blue cover sleeves suck!

Not too far off, but you got that whole splatter vinyl craze going on which is completely ****ed up. Why the hell do I want to look at a record that looks like I either came or threw up (or both) on it.

I'd just like to note for future reference, that RickAL was involved in a huge argument against this forum because he hated on other's musical opinions but listened to Avenged Sevenfold and could not support his thesis.

I'd like to note for future reference that Dan is outing someone for not being able to support his thesis musically, when he (Dan) does not know that Muse is pop.

[Jofish]

What's your definition of pop?

[One Of Light]

by most logical categorizations of music, Pop would include the Beatles... since POP is short for POPular music lol...
but most people mean bubblegum when they say pop, so...
and Dan, I could support my arguments just fine, just because my opinions weren't enough to change the mind of a group has no bearing on the validity of my arguments... (which was that Metallica sold out, in basis)
and guitar solos never went anywhere? better ask guitarists from the period about that... I remember one specific interview with Mark Tremonti about being in Creed (Guitar World)...
I"m just making an observation, as a musician/listener during both periods... apart from Vai's fledgling (at the time) Favored Nations label, and a few artists like early Collective Soul, Kenny Wayne Shephard, Johnny Lang (both who fell more into the SRV-style blues label) and prog artists like Dream Theater, guitar solos were a no-no for a LONG time... even most guitar mags analyzed this, and have been heralding the return of the solo for about 4-5 years now... even bands like Slipknot wouldn't throw solos in for awhile, dude...
but now it's cool again, and even CKY and Mudvayne are soloing... so to say that guitar solos didn't go anywhere... let me rephrase that statement - the late 90's/early 00's brought the re-EMERGENCE of the guitar solo to modern music, no longer was it a no-no to have a technical solo, people seemed to have gotten over the overindulgence of hair metal. (better...?)
well how valid is THAT point really... I"m sure there was a whole underground scene of people listening to their shred, it's always been a cult thing... I"m aware of it... but again, it was completely taboo to have a guitar solo for awhile...
I'm just saying.

[xxSlipknotxx]

What's your definition of pop?

POPular music that follows a contrived formula. Using distortion or high wailing doesn't make a band un-pop. Thus a band like Pink Floyd can be pop. You need to keep in mind that there are various sub-genres under the pop umbrella

[Jofish]

POPular music that follows a contrived formula. Using distortion or high wailing doesn't make a band un-pop. Thus a band like Pink Floyd can be pop. You need to keep in mind that there are various sub-genres under the pop umbrella

how does muse follow a contrived formula?

everything is pop. everything. For one it becomes POPular in certain circles and groups. Everything is POPular with someone.

I could define Slipknot as POP because Vol. 3 Debuted on the billboard top 100 chart when released. Hey, All Hope Is Gone premiere at number 1. That's pretty POPular.

Slipknot is pop.
No.
Pop may have meant popular at one time but it's taken on a new life.

I'd actually wager that dance music like Brintey Spears, *****cat dolls and stuff like that is pop.

e:seriously censors?

[Fool's Requiem]

The 2000's made the likes of emo music and Hannah Montana popular. I'll take my 90's grunge/ alternative music thank you very much.

I'll take Red Hot Chili Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, The Offspring, Green Day any day over some of the garbage from this decade... except for Muse, because Muse is awesome. And The Killers... and Yellowcard.

However: 90's> 00's > Almost everything before the 90's.

[Fire King]

The 2000's made the likes of emo music and Hannah Montana popular. I'll take my 90's grunge/ alternative music thank you very much.

hilarious fact: "emo" musicians and hannah montana both cite bands from the 90s grunge/alternative movement as huge influences

[Demikain]

and guitar solos never went anywhere? better ask guitarists from the period about that... I remember one specific interview with Mark Tremonti about being in Creed (Guitar World)...
I"m just making an observation, as a musician/listener during both periods... apart from Vai's fledgling (at the time) Favored Nations label, and a few artists like early Collective Soul, Kenny Wayne Shephard, Johnny Lang (both who fell more into the SRV-style blues label) and prog artists like Dream Theater, guitar solos were a no-no for a LONG time... even most guitar mags analyzed this, and have been heralding the return of the solo for about 4-5 years now... even bands like Slipknot wouldn't throw solos in for awhile, dude...
but now it's cool again, and even CKY and Mudvayne are soloing... so to say that guitar solos didn't go anywhere... let me rephrase that statement - the late 90's/early 00's brought the re-EMERGENCE of the guitar solo to modern music, no longer was it a no-no to have a technical solo, people seemed to have gotten over the overindulgence of hair metal. (better...?)
You're still wrong. Guitar solos never went "out of style". Maybe they became less prominent in the music you listened to from that period, but they were still alive and kicking in other genres and from bands that you just haven't listened to. I could find a bunch of albums from the 90s that have lots of guitar solos.

[xxSlipknotxx]

how does muse follow a contrived formula?

everything is pop. everything. For one it becomes POPular in certain circles and groups. Everything is POPular with someone.

I could define Slipknot as POP because Vol. 3 Debuted on the billboard top 100 chart when released. Hey, All Hope Is Gone premiere at number 1. That's pretty POPular.

Slipknot is pop.
No.
Pop may have meant popular at one time but it's taken on a new life.

I'd actually wager that dance music like Brintey Spears, *****cat dolls and stuff like that is pop.

e:seriously censors?

Who needs music genres when we have pop?

Christ, just when I think this forum can't get any dumber...

[Dan]

The 2000's made the likes of emo music and Hannah Montana popular. I'll take my 90's grunge/ alternative music thank you very much.

No, no, no, no, NO. I'm willing to bet that you associate emo music with bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic At The Disco and all of that rubbish. For the record, emo music is nothing like that (I'll leave someone like CD to inform you of what it is, he is the expert after all), not to mention what you consider 'emo' is what Yellowcard falls under.

[asterisk]

Two things from this decade that differentiate it from any other: the internet and hip hop.

The creation of napster, iTunes, MySpace, etc. led to a diffusion of power in pop music. Record companies can't push their packaged stars into the mainstream as the only option as easily, and people no longer need to buy entire albums either. There's more pop artists with less staying power. Of course many mainstream pop still sounds similar and formulaic and are still heavily dependent on the producers, but nobody's going to be approaching the overwhelming popularity of The Beatles or Michael Jackson anymore.

Also, hip hop went mainstream. It had been getting progressively more popular in the last decade, but now rap and R&B are dominating pop charts. Everybody's gone black and they're not going back. Hate on Soulja Boy and his like all you want, he's still what's popular now.

There are other important developments too in the popular mainstream music, like emo, American Idol and Guitar Hero, but I think the two things that define the decade more than any other are the internet and hip hop.

So compared to every other decade, it's really not all that different. Technology improved that altered the face of music, and a new genre of music became wildly popular that old-timers are scared of. Just another decade gone by.

[Fool's Requiem]

No, no, no, no, NO. I'm willing to bet that you associate emo music with bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic At The Disco and all of that rubbish. For the record, emo music is nothing like that (I'll leave someone like CD to inform you of what it is, he is the expert after all), not to mention what you consider 'emo' is what Yellowcard falls under.

Yellowcard isn't Emo.

Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance are emo.

[Cluck]

2000's, eh? I'll just leave this here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/Cluck181/lolol.jpg

[Dan]

Yellowcard isn't Emo.

Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance are emo.

Well done missing the point. Yellowcard, Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance all fall under the same genre of what you consider to be emo.

[Conscience]

Bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic At The Disco and all of that rubbish.
That's not rubbish. That is really great mainstream music. I'll agree with the emo comment, though.

[Fool's Requiem]

Well done missing the point. Yellowcard, Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance all fall under the same genre of what you consider to be emo.

Oh okay, so Fall Out Boy and Panic! At the Disco aren't Emo, but Yellowcard is? :hmm:
Where does that make sense?

[Dan]

It does. You're confusing the terms 'emo' and 'what you consider emo'. FOB, PATD, Yellowcard, MCR and Linkin Park are emo according to you, but in fact are not.

[Fool's Requiem]

It does. You're confusing the terms 'emo' and 'what you consider emo'. FOB, PATD, Yellowcard, MCR and Linkin Park are emo according to you, but in fact are not.

Okay, smart guy, what band do you consider as an emo band? Because if Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance aren't emo, I don't know what is.

[Dan]

/facepalm @ your ignorance. Read this (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570035) post by CD so you may be enlightened.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Even if you consider Emo to be what those bands are, I have no idea why Linkin Park would even fit into that definition.

[Partizan]

Even if you consider Emo to be what those bands are, I have no idea why Linkin Park would even fit into that definition.

That was the first thing that came to my mind :hmm:

[The Crowing]

This decade is catching a lot of undeserved criticism, in my opinion. It's been a fantastic decade for music.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Its more that this is the first decade to be fully integrated with the internet so there is more of a source to not only discuss and share music but to bash it and comment/message board things so the criticism is more just that there is a bigger public forum for people to share their disgust of it.

[Cluck]

Wait, people think linkin park is emo?

man


I love the internet

[Dan]

It's commonly accepted on the net that LP are in fact emo.

[Conscience]

I've never heard that. I would classify Linkin Park as nu metal or alternative rock.

[Dan]

Or deathcore as many trolls like to believe.

[One Of Light]

some people group LP in as Emo because of songs like Crawling, Numb, and Easier to Run, ignoring the rest of their music and lyrics...

Kinda like people acting like MCR is nothing BUT Emo...
I'll admit that their older stuff is more Emo, or Screamo at least, but the Black Parade... not really emo... brilliantly put together IMHO, but not emo.