What "modern" game will be remembered?

[Woozie]

Everyone knows the big classics. Mario, Metroid, Final Fantasy 7, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, etc. But what game in the recent years do you think will be remembered for years to come? What game is going to constantly be on that "Top 100 best games of all time" list for years to come, or just strongly significant to the industry. I'm going to say the cutoff point will be 2001, since that's when GTA3 came out, and we can all agree that was the last big game that was obviously ground breaking.

Personally I think Guitar Hero will have to go down SOMEWHERE in history for rejuvenating a dying genre of games. I don't know if it's the most incredible game ever created, but it did something important. In terms of amazing games, I think Half Life 2 will be mentioned somewhere for it's single player campaign. Just because of the epic journey you embark on throughout that game. Depending on how Resident Evil 5 turns out, RE4 could also be up there for restarting a dying series. But it wouldn't have really worked if RE5 sucks, we'll see.

So what about you guys?

[Silent Kayos]

Halo will always be remembered for making FPS on consoles just as in dept as the ones on the PC by adding networked play, custom games, vehicles, cutting edge graphics, etc.

[Crazy Jamie]

I agree with all of the suggestions thus far. There is no way that Halo won't be remembered. There will always be arguments about its quality, but then again there always are about FF7 as well.

Half Life 2 will almost certainly be remembered for an immense single player campaign as well. Nothing else touches it in that department.

[Bladz]

Morrowind/Oblivion will definitely go down for the great detail in such a large scale environment. I can get lost in the games for hours just exploring, not even focusing on any particular quest.

[Ants!]

World of Warcraft. I mean, do I even need to explain this one?

[Operative #19]

MGS4 will I think, I honestly feel it was one of the best games ever(it got numerous 10s, too.) GTAIV and CoD4(not fans of either, but I still feel it will.) Possibly Kingdom Hearts. Devil May Cry and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time.

Oh, SSBM, SSBB, and Super Mario Galaxy. I hate the Wii for the most part, but they shine amongst mediocrity.

[Spectro]

Bioshock. Beautiful graphics, great story, fun and original gameplay.

[modi25]

GTA 4. The beautiful graphics, massive open world enviroment and realistic and the controversy it will cause for years to come.

[Fool's Requiem]

Besides the ones already mentioned, the GTA series will be remembered for a long time from now, since it single-handedly made Open World gaming popular to the masses and introduced dozens of pretenders.

I think Driv3r might just be remembered for being such a massive disappointment.

[Woozie]

Halo will always be remembered for making FPS on consoles just as in dept as the ones on the PC by adding networked play, custom games, vehicles, cutting edge graphics, etc.

I was under the impression that GTA3 came out AFTER Halo, but I appear to be mistaken. I was assuming that'd be on there.

GTA 4. The beautiful graphics, massive open world enviroment and realistic and the controversy it will cause for years to come.
Couldn't disagree more.

GTA4 did nothing new. If we want to talk about controversies, look no further than San Andreas. Never before has a game single handedly flipped the entire industry upside down, and made a major corporation re-write their rules and change how they do buisness (ESRB). The only notable attribute of GTA4 is 16 player online with the biggest map ever, that's pretty impressive. Everything else, eh.

I also disagree with BioShock, just cause everything it seemed to do well, Half Life has already done.

[PsychoMantis]

GTA4 did nothing new. If we want to talk about controversies, look no further than San Andreas. Never before has a game single handedly flipped the entire industry upside down, and made a major corporation re-write their rules and change how they do buisness (ESRB). The only notable attribute of GTA4 is 16 player online with the biggest map ever, that's pretty impressive. Everything else, eh.

I also disagree with BioShock, just cause everything it seemed to do well, Half Life has already done.

You are correct, SIR! (Imagine that in an Asian accent, for more effect.)....Oh my god, I am agreeing with Woozie!?:D

But seriously, everything Woozie said was correct. I actually think GTA 4 should be the only GTA game that isn't remembered all that much,but that is just me.

MGS4 will I think, I honestly feel it was one of the best games ever(it got numerous 10s, too.) GTAIV and CoD4(not fans of either, but I still feel it will.) Possibly Kingdom Hearts. Devil May Cry and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time.

Oh, SSBM, SSBB, and Super Mario Galaxy. I hate the Wii for the most part, but they shine amongst mediocrity.

I wouldn't put COD4 on there. MGS4 is iffy, I love it, but it is hardly as memorable as MG 1&2/MGS 1&2.

Kingdom Hearts...No. But that reminds me to put Final Fantasy X on the memorable game list.

SSBB is a definite no and possibly SSBM. The first was WAY more memorable than those two. As for Super Mario Galaxy, I just didn't like it at all, maybe I had too high of hopes from my Super Mario 64 days.

[Operative #19]

COD4, I don't even like it but its one of the most played games ever. I'm not going based upon simply personal opinion, but mainstream opinion, too. The reviews, how much it is played, etc. SSBM improved on the original in every way, even after SSBB has been released it still gets played reasonably well. SSBB and SMG are the two best games on the Wii, hands down. Regardless of what your opinion may be, SMG is mostly seen as a great game(something I wholeheartedly agree with.) It still stands as one of the only games to use the Wii's capabilities in a good way and not just something tacked on because its there. You say you enjoy Super Mario 64, but not SMG, which is mindboggling in itself because SMG did everything SM64 did better, and added fresh ideas to keep the ball rolling. It innovated like only Nintendo and Mario can(and no developers have been able to use its example to create more great games for the Wii.)

And you'd put Final Fantasy X on a "Best Game Ever" list, but leave out Kingdom Hearts? I don't understand that one at all, Kingdom Hearts was one of the most successful collaborations ever, a great game in itself, and has gone on to become a deeply rooted franchise in its own right. It broke boundaries, Final Fantasy X, in my humble opinion, was one of the worse Final Fantasies to come out(from the series proper, not including spin-offs and such.) The story itself was lackluster, most of the characters were simply an annoyance, and it did nothing new. I'm not going to go so far as to say it was a bad game, but far from one of the best games ever.

Which leads me to MGS4. This game, in my opinion, represents everything this generation should be about. The story was epic, the gameplay was top notch, nothing about it was bad, it was a flawless masterpiece(unless you're not a fan of all the cutscenes.) Your personal opinion says MGS1 and 2 were more memorable, I agree that they are memorable games, but as a fan of the whole series, I'm going to say MGS4 was hands down better than every other game. MGS4 is groundbreaking, and I can only hope that other developers follow Hideo Kojima's lead to develop such works of art. The only reason I didn't choose to include MGS1 and 2 is because we are talking about "modern" games(of course, I think SSBM was released before 2001, so.) MGS3 could very well be included in this as well, as it still stands as one of the only games to do a survival based game so well. It was a diversion in many ways from the standards of the series, and still stands as a great game, a simpler story but still great, again very little about the game was bad.

[Fool's Requiem]

The only notable attribute of GTA4 is 16 player online with the biggest map ever, that's pretty impressive.
A 16 player online mode that, to be honest, is a little disappointing. The fun just isn't there. I honestly have more fun mowing pedestrians over with a Bus while being chased by 8 police cars and a chopper by myself.

[Vicious!]

Everyone knows the big classics. Mario, Metroid, Final Fantasy 7, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, etc. But what game in the recent years do you think will be remembered for years to come?

The popular ones that the new generation grew up on. Halo 3, the newer Nintendo games, etc. "Gee, what the f*ck happened to gaming in general man? Remember good old Halo 3? They don't make games like that anymore."

[Quagmire]

A 16 player online mode that, to be honest, is a little disappointing. The fun just isn't there. I honestly have more fun mowing pedestrians over with a Bus while being chased by 8 police cars and a chopper by myself.

I agree, the online pretty much sucked, although free roaming with friends was total fun

[Ralph Nader]

The sims series.

[PsychoMantis]

And you'd put Final Fantasy X on a "Best Game Ever" list, but leave out Kingdom Hearts? I don't understand that one at all, Kingdom Hearts was one of the most successful collaborations ever, a great game in itself, and has gone on to become a deeply rooted franchise in its own right. It broke boundaries, Final Fantasy X, in my humble opinion, was one of the worse Final Fantasies to come out(from the series proper, not including spin-offs and such.) The story itself was lackluster, most of the characters were simply an annoyance, and it did nothing new. I'm not going to go so far as to say it was a bad game, but far from one of the best games ever.

I'm sorry but...are you f**cking kidding me? One of the worst to come out? Are you a fan of the Final Fantasy series? It was one of the best if not the best. It had an uterly amazing story, also, nothing new? What? A new experience system, it had was fully 3D, it finally had voice acting (which was great by the way), it had a new battle system! Also, the graphics were amazing for a game that came out in 2001. You are clearly not a RPG fan if you did not hold this game in high regard. I still maintain, that this is one the best RPGs I have ever played.

I am not saying Kingdom Hearts is a bad game, I actually very much enjoyed, but KH2 pretty much just killed it for me. It was a huge letdown.

[Quagmire]

I'm sorry but...are you f**cking kidding me? One of the worst to come out? Are you a fan of the Final Fantasy series? It was one of the best if not the best. It had an uterly amazing story, also, nothing new? What? A new experience system, it had was fully 3D, it finally had voice acting (which was great by the way), it had a new battle system! Also, the graphics were amazing for a game that came out in 2001. You are clearly not a RPG fan if you did not hold this game in high regard. I still maintain, that this is one the best RPGs I have ever played.

I am not saying Kingdom Hearts is a bad game, I actually very much enjoyed, but KH2 pretty much just killed it for me. It was a huge letdown.

I agree with everything you said.

FFX's story and world were amazing, possibly the best world and story in the FF universe.

And I agree about KH2 being a huge letdown too

[Ants!]

IMO, nothing worthwhile came out of the Final Fantasy series after part IX. And new doesn't necessarily mean good.You are clearly not a RPG fan if you did not hold this game in high regard.

I've been playing RPGs for decades and, amazingly, I didn't like FFX.

[Crosshair?]

I've been playing RPGs for decades and, amazingly, I didn't like FFX.
There's good reason for that...it's not very good. Most of the characters are easily forgettable, Tidus is a whiny crybaby and just never shuts up, I wanted to slap Yuna the entire time, because she's pretty much just like Tidus (which explains why they love each other.) And the story was the same story in every other FF, evil corporation/monster tries to take over the world, summon creatures to fight it, get an airship, get to final fight, OMG It's your DADDY!!! Tidus cries...kill octopus thing...yuna cries, Tidus disappears, OVER!
COD4, I don't even like it but its one of the most played games ever
That won't make it memorable...yeah it's a great shooter, but CoD4 will be quickly forgotten, when CoD6 comes out and more than likely introduces "Moderner Warfare."

[Woozie]

Final Fantasy X is a very story based game. For some reason that I've never understood, some people actually play RPGs to have fun with the gameplay. I find this odd since I'd rate every RPG battle system in the "abysmal, holy sh*t I want to kill myself" category, including FFX. I've never had fun playing an (a J)RPG, I only stick around for the story.

If you didn't like the characters, or didn't like the world created for FFX, you wouldn't like the game, simple as that really. I loved the story, and even though some voice acting was iffy, I never hated, or found any of the characters annoying, and I didn't miss the laughing scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU8-e-C4Uy0) either. People always praise games like FFX-2 for having a great fighting system, but even that was horrid to me. So if you didn't like FFX because of it's gameplay, that's beyond me. But enjoying the story is entirely subjective. Some people, such as myself, enjoyed the prequel trilogy of Star Wars, others despised it. Depends on who you are.

[Quagmire]

There's good reason for that...it's not very good. Most of the characters are easily forgettable, Tidus is a whiny crybaby and just never shuts up, I wanted to slap Yuna the entire time, because she's pretty much just like Tidus (which explains why they love each other.) And the story was the same story in every other FF, evil corporation/monster tries to take over the world, summon creatures to fight it, get an airship, get to final fight, OMG It's your DADDY!!! Tidus cries...kill octopus thing...yuna cries, Tidus disappears, OVER!

Well just about every story in video games is the same...evil corporation/monster(s)/country try to take over the world/galaxy
Tidus was forgettable, but Auron, Ject, and IMO Yuna were not...also the Fayth and where Tidus came from is pretty interesting too...so there are at least 2, if not 3 or maybe even 4, how many games have many more?
Halo series has 2
KOTOR 2 or 3 characters
Mario Series, 3, 4 or 5 would be pushing it
Zelda Series has 3
Mass Effect 2 or 4 characters
Half Life Series has about 3 or 4
MGS Series is about 3 or 4 truly memorable characters

So FFX is not that much different than other games when you break it down

[Operative #19]

Auron was a standard bad-ass mentor character, Jecht was barely in the game at all, and Yuna, as previously said, wasn't much different then the main character Tidus. No character in Final Fantasy X, in my opinion, is memorable. In regards to Mantis' previous post, I've been playing Final Fantasy and RPGs since the Super Nintendo(Final Fantasy IV-X have been played and complete by me. Except V and VI, but in VI I got to the very end, and its my favorite in the series.) I've played just about every major RPG up to the PSone/64 era(I stopped playing a lot of RPGs after FFX. I go back and play old RPGs, but never complete newer ones, other than Tales of Symphonia.) I'd consider myself a pretty big fan of classic RPGs. Lunar 1 and 2 had more memorable characters then FFX individually(just about every character.) Xenogears has more(almost all the main character excusing a few.) Outside of RPGs, since Quagmire happened to point MGS out, I'd say MGS has loads more memorable characters, just about every character in MGS1 is "memorable," MGS2 had plenty as well. I'm ranting on, but my point is that FFX just wasn't that good.

[Conscience]

I reckon people will remember Spore. Yeah, a sim that you can play forever: that's going to be remembered.

[Crazy Jamie]

I reckon people will remember Spore. Yeah, a sim that you can play forever: that's going to be remembered.
I don't think they will. Spore really is a disappointment. The idea behind it is genius, but the execution was a let down. Besides, there are plenty of sims out there that you can play forever.

[Conscience]

I don't think they will. Spore really is a disappointment. The idea behind it is genius, but the execution was a let down. Besides, there are plenty of sims out there that you can play forever.
Still, even though it is dissapointing, it will be remembered for it's great idea (at least in my opinion).

[Operative #19]

No, I disagree because even if a great idea is great in theory it won't stand the test of time if the execution is poor. Look at the new game Fracture. Controlling the environment in a real time/action-based setting is a pretty nice idea, but its so linear that it becomes a bad idea, and not memorable. Spore is an okay game, but not going to be remembered in the same way. Biggest disappointment of 08, Spore.

[Ants!]

Still, even though it is dissapointing, it will be remembered for it's great idea (at least in my opinion).

I'm not so sure. I mean, look how Fable turned out.

[Operative #19]

I'm not so sure. I mean, look how Fable turned out.

Fable is still remembered and will be for some time. In the same way Spore will be, good games in their own right that didn't meet their potential. Fable let a lot of people down because of what it was supposed to do and didn't do, but its not recognized enough for what it did do. It was a good game, it still gave you a lot of freedom, but not what was said it would let you do. Spore was a lot the same way. Hopefully Fable II(and, eventually, Spore 2) will be able to meet and surpass the potential of their predecessors.

[Ants!]

I'm not saying Fable was a horrible game, just that it didn't deliver on what it promised. So instead of being revolutionary, it ended up being just another game and will probably last as a footnote this generation and maybe the next, but after that would be pushing it.

[Fool's Requiem]

Biggest disappointment of 08, Spore.
Try again. It's Too Human. While Spore is disappointing it's still supposed to be a good fun game. Too Human, not so much.

[Operative #19]

I hadn't heard much about Too Human before it's much-hyped release(the last month or so) so I didn't really expect too much from it. Spore, however, I was downright giddy for, and it delivered a watered down version of about 3-4 different genres. It's good, right, but still far from what was expected.

[Ants!]

Personally, I think hype can ruin games for people. A game someone has expectations for but aren't met can make them feel differently about a game they otherwise would have liked.

Take Super Smash Brothers Brawl for instance. Before it even came out it was doomed to be rejected by many people due to the impossibly high standards people were holding it to.

[Quagmire]

Personally, I think hype can ruin games for people. A game someone has expectations for but aren't met can make them feel differently about a game they otherwise would have liked.

Take Super Smash Brothers Brawl for instance. Before it even came out it was doomed to be rejected by many people due to the impossibly high standards people were holding it to.

Its hard not to get hyped...but some games do not warranted them like say a Brawl..what did people expect? The wheel reinvented? It was just gonna be Melee with new characters, levels, and a semi working online component.

Games like GTA IV, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, etc all bring something new to the game world and their hype is warranted...there are games that were over hyped and didnt live up to it, but for as many of those there are plenty of games that have lived up to the hype...it depends on what your expectations are.

[Ants!]

Its hard not to get hyped...but some games do not warranted them like say a Brawl..what did people expect? The wheel reinvented? It was just gonna be Melee with new characters, levels, and a semi working online component.

Finally, somebody who gets it. I mean I thought we were all on the same page before the game was released, but apparently not. I think some people expected as big a difference as there was between Melee and the one for the n64.

[Crazy Jamie]

Try again. It's Too Human. While Spore is disappointing it's still supposed to be a good fun game. Too Human, not so much.I actually agree with Operative that Spore is more disappointing than Too Human. There is some fun to be had with Spore, but it is an empty shell of the game it should have been.

[Operative #19]

Its hard not to get hyped...but some games do not warranted them like say a Brawl..what did people expect? The wheel reinvented? It was just gonna be Melee with new characters, levels, and a semi working online component.

Games like GTA IV, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, etc all bring something new to the game world and their hype is warranted...there are games that were over hyped and didnt live up to it, but for as many of those there are plenty of games that have lived up to the hype...it depends on what your expectations are.

I don't understand how GTAIV did much more for that franchise that SSBB did for Smash Bros. GTAIV even took away many of the enhancements made in San Andreas. Super Smash Bros. Brawl improved upon an already great game without tweaking the formula too much, the same was Melee did. What it improved on was enough to warrant the hype. The inclusion of third party characters, the Subspace Emissary mode, the music player and stage creator and the additions to the the game itself, new characters and the Final Smash attacks. Are you saying these things didn't warrant the hype(ie. The excitement behind the game) the same way GTAIV did? What did GTAIV do that was any better or different then previous installments? Fallout 3 and Far Cry 2 haven't been released so opinions on them are null until they are.