Wich Psychic pokemon?

[MightyPenguin]

Garevoir,Espeon,or Alakazam wich is the better psychic type? also what is a good moveset for it?

[dre]

They're all pretty good, it's just a matter of who likes what pokemon better.

My personal order of preference goes: Kazam, Gardevoir, then Espeon.

For Alakazam, I use: Timid (speed up, defense down)
+252 SATK, +252 SPD @ Focus Sash

Psychic (STAB and the random Heracross)
Energy Ball
Focus Blast (I'm gonna end up looking for one with HPFight)
Counter (SURPRISE!! Go Emerald!!)

For Gardevoir (I like Trace better than Sync because you have Will-O-Wisp)

Psychic (STAB is so good)
Thunderbolt/Energy Ball (I like TB)
Will-O-Wisp (laugh at Physical things)
Calm Mind (laugh even harder at Special things)

I don't really like Espeon, to be honest. Morning Sun is nice but Sandstorm is everywhere (taking it down to recovering only 25% HP .. lame). It gets two good moves (Psychic .. meh, and Shadow Ball, which every good Psychic gets), no real status, and no other possibility of a good attacking move outside of Grass Knot and HP. I like the other two better, since they can obviously HP-whatever as well. On top of having their good options.

[MightyPenguin]

I need to also know a good fire type pokemon and a good grass type pokemon

[MasterToshima]

ALakazam is way better,just EV Spec.Attk in the Old Gateau.For fire pokemons,Mighty Pinguin,go check my thread called "hmmm...fire pokemons?

[Cytosine]

Espeon is good for Calm Mind passing, but has a very shallow movepool. Gardevoir is great for support, with Trace, Will-O-Wisp, Hypnosis, Wish, etc. Alakazam is great for Tricking and Countersashing.

Also, fyi, it's spelt which, not 'wich'.

[Chris!]

Espeon is good for Calm Mind passing, but has a very shallow movepool. Gardevoir is great for support, with Trace, Will-O-Wisp, Hypnosis, Wish, etc. Alakazam is great for Tricking and Countersashing.

Also, fyi, it's spelt which, not 'wich'.

Hey, Espeon gets Wish! Otherwise he's basically a worse Alakazam except for CM passing.

Gardevior isn't the same as Espeon or Alakazam. Instead of a pure sweeper, she's somewhat bulkier on the special side and has an assload of status moves, plus one of the best abilities in the game in Trace.

Alakazam is one of the best sweepers in the game; if it weren't for Weavile he would be nearly unstoppable. With Choice Specs, he 2HKO's Blissey. Once he's done dealing ****-tons of damage, he Tricks those Choice Specs onto something and proceeds to sweep your team as he's crippled a counter. He can switch in to stuff like Dusknoir's Will-o-wisp and cripple it just by being there with Synchronise. He's badass.

[SuperSimon]

And he has a mustache nuff said


Also Espeon as said can be a great cm wish passer

Espeon@lefties

wish
cm
psychic
batonpass

[Mr. Jack]

So Alakazam was ALWAYS on my Blue/Yellow team, he was so good then, and is even better now. Plus, as $$ said, he has a mustache.

For Fire, I'd go Flareon (if you want a Physical) or Magmortar (Special). Or Blaziken for Physical...Houndoom for Special.

For Grass, there is Breloom (an amazing Physical attacker), or Exeggutor/Roserade for Special. Exeggutor was one that I always had on my Yellow/Blue team, just like Alakazam.

[SuperSimon]

For Fire, I'd go Flareon (if you want a Physical) or Magmortar (Special). Or Blaziken for Physical...Houndoom for Special.

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No flareon is one of the worst fire types there are. A mix ape or hetran are two of the best.

[dre]

Arcanine is also pretty underrated. He gets Extremespeed (for those of you who do face a lot of Sashing crap).

Infernape and Heatran are, of course, godly. Blaziken's nice because of Brave Bird, but that's about it.

As for Grass, Torterra's pretty decent against Physical things and learns Amnesia (a lot of people don't like this on him, but I do), so he makes a decent wall against anything not-Ice. The only problem is the fact that all Grass types bite it to Ice, so you're usually better off sticking Energy Ball or Grass Knot on one of your Psychic-types.

[johnnyonthespot]

Arcanine is also pretty underrated. He gets Extremespeed (for those of you who do face a lot of Sashing crap).


i wouldnt say arcanine's underrated, i have never had even the slightest problem defeating one anyway

[Mr. Jack]

FYI, mixed PKMN are terrible if you try to EV train them... unless they are walls like Shuckle.
And I didn't mention Heatran, along with other legends, because they are banned in competetive battling.

[SuperSimon]

Well your obviously an expert on competitive battling.
Not all legendarys are uber.
And Mixape is one of the biggest threats in the game.

[dre]

Heatran isn't banned. It's just (extremely) overused.

And there are definitely useable mixed pokemon, the most prevalent being Infernape.

Others, like Azelf (with Explosion being its physical move, but that doesn't really count) and Lucario (Special moves and maybe Extremespeed) usually go in one direction but can easily go the other .. or, you can mix them and have them effectively sweep in both directions. Just not as well as a linear pokemon would.

[Mr. Jack]

Well your obviously an expert on competitive battling.
Not all legendarys are uber.
And Mixape is one of the biggest threats in the game.
Well obviously I am an expert seeing I have done competative battling an amazing total of ZERO times. Suck on that one, eh?

Anyhoo, What would a Mixape use? CC and Flare Blitz? Zippity-frickin'-doo-dah. And in case you didn't notice I was refering to EV training. Mixes really are not that powerful against seriously EV trained PKMN, from what I've observed.

HOLY HELL!
It's my 2000th frickin' post. Took me a full three years of inactivity to do so.
HELL YA!

[Comrade]

This is a standard mixape. it kills walls. it's what it does.

mixape @ life orb
Naive nature
EVs: 24 att, 252 sp.att, 232 speed
- Grass knot
- Flamethrower
- Nasty plot
- close combat


now when this came along i wasn't hot on it. but when it started dismantling my team i keeled over and took it in as my own. it rocks!

[Mr. Jack]

Just a question. For a team that I'm supposed to be making for my friend (he's a Fighting fan)... Ironically, that the type of team I'm making for the PKMN League here... Anyway, which of the following should I replace for that Mixape? Lucario, Gallade, Machamp, Blaziken. I'm thinking Blaziken because they are both Fire/Fighting.

[Cytosine]

Yeah, I'd replace Blaziken. It's probably the worst of the bunch in general.

[dre]

Yeah, the only special thing Blaziken gets over the others is Brave Bird. At the cost of 20 speed points to Infernape, who gets Nasty Plot anyway.

Oh, and what are you doing with Machamp? Chances are, if you want to go old-school and stick with Fighters, Hitmonlee might actually be a better choice (much faster, gets Close Combat, EQ, and Rock Slide still, and can't even be Paralyzed, but obviously no No Guard ability).

[Mr. Jack]

Hehe, I actually have Hitmonlee. Just didn't offer him as choice, I was gonna keep him anyway.
I have Machamp there as a sweeper, seeing that he has awesome Attack, plus I'm EVing his Speed. (Is EVing even a word?)

[Cytosine]

No Guard Machamp with moves like Dynamicpunch and Stone Edge can be really good, but the PP runs out quickly. It's also quite bulky-ish.

[Chris!]

I prefer Hariyama for my "sturdy Fighting type" role, though Machamp is more awesomer with DynamicPunch.

[Da Champion]

I'd say Gardevoir cuz of its trace ability.

[Mr. Jack]

No Guard Machamp with moves like Dynamicpunch and Stone Edge can be really good, but the PP runs out quickly. It's also quite bulky-ish.
I'm planning on giving him Dynamic Punch, Rock Slide, Seismic Toss (for the random wall), and Counter/Cross Chop/Fire Blast. And I'm giving him a Wide Lens to up Accuracy.

[Chris!]

You kinda miss the point of Machamp. His ability makes EVERY move hit 100% of the time. So there's no reason not to use Stone Edge, and Seismic Toss doesn't usually do more damage than any of his other moves so it's kinda pointless.

[Mr. Jack]

Well, hehe, I've never used/trained a Machamp since Yellow/Blue version, so I don't know much.
So the moveset should be Dynamic Punch, Stone Edge, Counter, and what else? Also... what would be a good item to stick on him?

[Da Champion]

EQ just 2 b a buthole lol

[Mr. Jack]

Sweet. I'll do it.
Funny, how the "What Psychic PKMN..." thread has changed to help me on a Fighting type.

PS: Butthole is spelt with two T's :P

[Da Champion]

Butthole! lol:P
Seriusly(needs 2 wurk on speling(lol)) Gardevoir is the best choice i feel. also teach him sumthing really impossible that usually never hits, like sumthing with 30% accuracy

[Spindrift]

Although there isn't a move like that in the game? :o

[Seerow]

Don't hijack other peoples' threads please, guys. -.-

[Mr. Jack]

Yeah. Sorry for that, Seerow. Odd how that just happened.

And Da Champ... stop insisting on Gardevoir. You've said so a load of times. And it has been proven time and time again, Alakazam is much more powerful, and with better movepool.

[dre]

As for the Machamp move, you're probably thinking of DynamicPunch. 50% accuracy but it's sure to Confuse the opponent.

As for Gardevoir vs. Alakazam, that's actually a toss-up. They don't even really provide the exact same roles on a team, even though both are high SATK Psychic-types.

SATK: Kazam, but not by much.
SPD: Kazam, by a lot. Actually, the only reason you'd ever choose him > Gardevoir.
HP: Actually, this is about even. Slight edge to Gardevoir.
DEF: Gardevoir, but not by enough to REALLY care.
SDEF: Gardevoir, by a lot.

ATTACK MOVES: Gardevoir, by a lot. It learns every good move Kazam learns as well as Thunderbolt.
STATUS MOVES: Gardevoir, by about 123109381029 to 2. WillOWisp, Toxic, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, Thunder Wave, pick one. BUT .. to be fair, Kazam does learn Trick.
SUPPORT MOVES: Gardevoir .. again, by a lot. Wish, Healing Wish, Charm, Destiny Bond, Mean Look, name 'em. Again, to be fair, Kazam does learn Encore.

If you're looking for pure sweeping, Kazam's hands-down your choice. If you need a status spot filled, a good Calm Mind user, or a support pokemon that can hit hard enough to AT LEAST say it takes care of itself, Gardevoir's definitely a pokemon worth looking at.

[Attack Troll]

acually, it says it's your 2,014th post.
Sorry to burst your bubble.:bawl: :owned:

[Chris!]

Gardevior's a bit different than Alakazam. Unlike Alakazam, Gardevior doesn't die to any hit ever (Pursuit is a guaranteed OHKO on Kazam even if it doesn't switch; it's Defense is that bad), plus has a wide variety of support and status moves, from the valuable Will-o-wisp to Wish and Hypnosis, to name a few. They both have a good offensive movepool too, so it really depends on your team and personal preference.

[Mr. Jack]

Fyi, Attack Troll, it was my 2000th post. Sorry to burst your bubble. I have made 14 some posts since that time. So suck on that one why don't you?
Oh, and fyi, that's SPAM. Jackass.

Pontus! That's why you EV train his Defense.

[Cytosine]

You shouldn't EV train Defence with Alakazam. It's so bad anyway, it shouldn't be taking hits whatever happens. It's better to hit hard and fast then run away before they can retaliate.

[Seerow]

acually, it says it's your 2,014th post.
Sorry to burst your bubble.:bawl: :owned:
Pointless post alert. Attack Troll, I'm going to caution you for SPAM. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go here (http://forums.gamewinners.com/rules/index.php#spam[/url).

[Chris!]

Whoa whoa was that full censor bypass? Kidding.

Alakazam with Max HP and Defense (NEVER DO THIS) is still OHKO'd by Weavile's Dark STAB moves, I think. Regardless it wouldn't be very fast or hit anything as hard with no SAtk EVs.

Alakazam, if EV trained right, is ungodly powerful. As in "Timid Alakazam will 2HKO Blissey with Specs Focus Blast" powerful. Plus once you're done killing Blissey, you just Trick those Choice Specs onto something that doesn't want them, like Gyarados. Then you sweep.

[Mr. Jack]

Amen. That is why Alakazam is better than Gardy