my religion!

[Panzer]

I've been watching and reading all about of how life started and what could have happened and one of the them was including the theory of comet dust.

comets have organic materials and organisms on them (this is very laymenisitic)
and the theory is that when they pounded the earth the organisms grew into evoultion and so on until today.


so coming from a catholic life i devised my own belief that when god finally created everything or anyother higher form finished with creation he started the big bang and the comets collided with earth and presto! we're here.


just thinking does anyone else have organized beliefs?

[Mr. DNA]

so coming from a catholic life i devised my own belief that when god finally created everything or anyother higher form finished with creation he started the big bang and the comets collided with earth and presto! we're here.


This is very confused. Why would God (or any other higher form) start the big bang after having created the Earth? The Earth is here as a result of a process which took place after the big bag, not before it.

[Panzer]

no he laid out the plan for it to happen. lol, big bag

[Mr. DNA]

I don't suppose you've got any evidence for this hypothesis?

[Panzer]

this whole thing is just a thought.

[GwJumpman]

Yea, that didn't happen. In fact, it's impossible. You can't make the Earth, and then after that, make the universe.

[Modest Mouse]

If comets colliding with earth are what caused life on this planet, then there would be ton's of life on other planets. Also there is no marks or proof that comets hit the earth. This theory has no background, If your really a catholic then you would listen to what the bible says. It says it pretty clearly.

[GwJumpman]

If comets colliding with earth are what caused life on this planet, then there would be ton's of life on other planets. Also there is no marks or proof that comets hit the earth. This theory has no background, If your really a catholic then you would listen to what the bible says. It says it pretty clearly.
The bible is a bunch of bullsh!t. The earth is, what, 4 billion years old? You do know that th earth was just a bunch of dust until it was compacted and at the same time it was being pummeled with comets and meteors, right? There won't be much evidence of the earth being hit with intergalactic trash when it was still in the process of forming.

[Panzer]

woah woah woah. earth is in a comet shooting gallery. life could have been on other planets. hell we found water on mars so theres a thing there.

i'm talking about god laying out the plan for the big bang and how everything would happen and then made it happen.
he predetrimined the outcome.

EDIT: there is tons of evidense and scientists working on the comet dust theroy. it was even on the universe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5173992.stm

[Courtney.]

You do know that th earth was just a bunch of dust until it was compacted and at the same time it was being pummeled with comets and meteors, right? What made the dust?

[Mr. DNA]

What made the dust?

The most popular theory is that the dust which constitutes the formative years of a planet's life arises out of the collapsed remnants of a nebula, which is itself simply a gigantic interstellar cloud of gas and dust. Nebulae themselves are formed from the gravitational collapse the interstellar medium (matter left over after the big bang which did not become galaxies).

[Duke Nukem]

"then what made the ... thing you just described?!"

A commonly seen argument amongst Theists is that matter being created out of nothing = paradox. And that, most people agree with. But isn't that pretty much what Creationism is all about? God creating matter out of nothing?

If a god can be eternal, then why can't quarks and gluons be?

[Modest Mouse]

The bible is a bunch of bullsh!t. The earth is, what, 4 billion years old? You do know that th earth was just a bunch of dust until it was compacted and at the same time it was being pummeled with comets and meteors, right? There won't be much evidence of the earth being hit with intergalactic trash when it was still in the process of forming.
Actually, In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth...

[Adrien]

God creating matter out of nothing?

Near Eastern religions universally have the creator beings creating the world from a preterrestrial watery chaos (Gen. 1), which isn't nothing.

[Modest Mouse]

[QUOTE=Duke Nukem]God creating matter out of nothing? [QUOTE]
Yes. It makes more sense than something always being there. And this was not the only time he made matter out of something. When Jesus turned the water into wine he actually created molecules and atoms.

[GwJumpman]

[QUOTE=Duke Nukem]God creating matter out of nothing? [QUOTE]
Yes. It makes more sense than something always being there. And this was not the only time he made matter out of something. When Jesus turned the water into wine he actually created molecules and atoms.
If "God" and "Jesus" knew all these scientific ways of changing, making, and rearranging molecules and atoms, why does the bible mention nothing remotely similar other than just "changing it" or "making it" out of nothing.

[Adrien]

Yes. It makes more sense than something always being there. And this was not the only time he made matter out of something. When Jesus turned the water into wine he actually created molecules and atoms.

Your contradicting yourself reminds me that the Bible does indeed contradict itself regarding the idea of an ex nihilo creation: the Maccabees and several passages in the New Testament do imply an ex nihilo creation.

[Panzer]

when jesus turned the water into wine he actually created molecules and atoms.
wha.....what? um was jesus before hand made out of cheese?

anyways, it's hard for science to always have an explanation to where something comes from like matter and other substineces. people like to say that god made all of it and thats all there is too it. but on the other hand

the problem with most atheists and people is that they want to live in a world where everthing is logical and explained in way that rules out superstion, luck, mysticism and god. But some times there comes a time where you can't explain something with cold hard facts.

[GwJumpman]

But some times there comes a time where you can't explain something with cold hard facts.

And that's when you realize that at the moment our current technology isn't capable of figuring out the problem and you have to realize that "You just don't know." sometimes.

[Panzer]

no i'm something that has been explained but still doesn't follow suit something that you can't write off

[Duke Nukem]

Yes. It makes more sense than something always being there. And this was not the only time he made matter out of something. When Jesus turned the water into wine he actually created molecules and atoms.Then how come God was always 'there'? That makes even less sense.

[Mr. DNA]

It is less parsimonious to contend that an intelligent entity has always existed, as opposed to contending that lifeless matter has always existed. It really is as simple as that.

[Panzer]

always there since the beginning of OUR time.

[SegaDragon]

I don't know the point of your theory. Life came from a comet? How did life get on that comet? How can life start on that comet, but not start on earth?

[Mr. DNA]

I don't know the point of your theory. Life came from a comet? How did life get on that comet? How can life start on that comet, but not start on earth?

It's possible that life on our planet came from elsewhere, but I have always found that to be an unecessary hypothesis, with regards to our being left with the problem of how and where the extraterrestrial life originated. It's like saying that God created all of the matter in the Universe- we solve nothing in the process.

[Panzer]

I don't know the point of your theory. Life came from a comet? How did life get on that comet? How can life start on that comet, but not start on earth?


god put it there

[GwJumpman]

god put it there
And what makes you think that? A book written by a couple of random people across the globe? No, it's not that simple.

[Panzer]

well you asked a simple question so i gave a simple answer. there a tons of ways it could have gotton on comets. a planet could have been broken up by a supernova which had life and molecules on it that clinged on to the leftovers.


this theory is also used to explain the 1918 influenza virus that came from no where and was not like any other influenza string.

[GwJumpman]

well you asked a simple question so i gave a simple answer. there a tons of ways it could have gotton on comets. a planet could have been broken up by a supernova which had life and molecules on it that clinged on to the leftovers.


this theory is also used to explain the 1918 influenza virus that came from no where and was not like any other influenza string.
A simple question is does not always have a simple answer, son.

DP: IN FACT, what you just did just shows how ignorant religious people are. You seem to think that a simple question like "Why?" or "How was "this" made?" always has a simple answer like, "God", or "God put it there.". You are closed-minded to think this.

[Panzer]

1.I'm not your 'son'

2. if you actually read my post you'll realize that I said religious people were ignorant to say stuff like god made it and that i meant it as a joke when i posted the phrase "god put it there"

3. I am agnostic, not religious. you are closed minded to think that if someone mentions god that they are speaking on behave of a religion

[GwJumpman]

you are closed minded to think that if someone mentions god that they are speaking on behave of a religion

That's not what I thought/think and I am not nearly closed-minded. gf.

[The_Mess]

well you asked a simple question so i gave a simple answer. there a tons of ways it could have gotton on comets. a planet could have been broken up by a supernova which had life and molecules on it that clinged on to the leftovers.
I heart arguments from ignorance... But a hint, a supernova would most likely sterilize a planet, as to one being destroyed by the force? Gas giants are a tentative "yes" while solid rocky worlds would probably survive, but the surface is going to be radioactive...

this theory is also used to explain the 1918 influenza virus that came from no where and was not like any other influenza string.
lawl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu_research
http://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q=1918+influenza+virus+phylogenetic&hl=en&lr=&btnG=Search

Seek first, for google typically can provide answers, though not always the actual scientific ones.

http://www.striz.org/docs/flu-polymerase-genes.pdf
And the above actually has a phylogenetic tree showing the relationship of the 1918 Flu to other flu viruses based on flu polymerase genes
The influenza A viral heterotrimeric polymerase complex (PA, PB1, PB2) is known to be involved in many aspects of viral replication and to interact with host factors1, thereby having a role in host specificity2,3. The polymerase protein sequences from the 1918 human influenza virus differ from avian consensus sequences at only a small number of amino acids, consistent
with the hypothesis that they were derived from an avian source shortly before the pandemic. However, when compared to avian sequences, the nucleotide sequences of the 1918 polymerase genes have more synonymous differences than expected, suggesting evolutionary distance from known avian strains. Here we present sequence and phylogenetic analyses of the complete genome of the 1918 influenza virus4–8, and propose that the 1918 virus was not a reassortant virus (like those of the 1957 and 1968 pandemics9,10), but more likely an entirely avian-like virus that adapted to humans. These data support prior phylogenetic studies suggesting that the 1918 virus was derived from an avian source11. A total of ten amino acid changes in the polymerase proteins consistently differentiate the 1918 and subsequent human influenza virus sequences from avian virus sequences. Notably, a number of the same changes have been found in recently circulating, highly pathogenic H5N1 viruses that have caused illness and death in humans and are feared to be the precursors of a new influenza pandemic. The sequence changes identified here may be important in the adaptation of influenza viruses to humans

Rather interesting...

[shortkut]

this theory is also used to explain the 1918 influenza virus that came from no where and was not like any other influenza string.
you should have used that theory for waterbears. boil them, irradiate them, freeze them, homogenize them and they are still the same.

[Adrien]

...you are closed minded to think that if someone mentions god that they are speaking on behave of a religion

Mention it? You just developed a God-created world hypothesis as early as your first post:

so coming from a catholic life i devised my own belief that when god finally created everything or anyother higher form finished with creation he started the big bang and the comets collided with earth and presto! we're here... no he laid out the plan for it to happen...i'm talking about god laying out the plan for the big bang and how everything would happen and then made it happen. he predetrimined the outcome.

So reading these pieces, anyone is justified in regarding you as a creationist. If anyone's at fault for a misunderstanding, it's you for not being upfront and stating that you were an "agnostic" at the start.

[Mr. Jack]

The bible is a bunch of bullsh!t. The earth is, what, 4 billion years old? You do know that th earth was just a bunch of dust until it was compacted and at the same time it was being pummeled with comets and meteors, right? There won't be much evidence of the earth being hit with intergalactic trash when it was still in the process of forming.
God creates with age, thus Adam and Eve. They probably looked about 20 years old when they were created, but how old were they one day after God breathed into their bodies? One day old, but with the appearance and intelligence of an adult, most likely.

And to agree with Panzer, just because someone mention's God, does not mean that the are religious, or even believe in him. I have an aethiest friend who started a conversation about God with me. Does that make him religious for mentioning God to start that conversation?

[The_Mess]

God creates with age, thus Adam and Eve. They probably looked about 20 years old when they were created, but how old were they one day after God breathed into their bodies? One day old, but with the appearance and intelligence of an adult, most likely.
:rolleyes:

In which case, if the universe can be created with apparent age, how then can I tell if the universe was created last Thursday?

[Typhon]

In which case, if the universe can be created with apparent age, how then can I tell if the universe was created last Thursday?


It was a Tuesday... you're thinking about when God created Starbucks... that was a Thursday...