U.S. Economy, and other stuff.

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

Does anyone think the U.S. economy will get better, even if a Democrat gets elected? I honestly think it won't, simply because of their ideas towards illegal immigration. If they give the 12-20 million illegals amnesty, the corporations have a source of cheap labor. Sure they want to fix the "Free Trade" deals, but thats only part of the problem. The illegal immigration is another part of this problem. If we elect a Republican, sure they may crack down on illegal immigrants, but the free trade deals will still be a problem. Therefore I think it is impossible for the U.S. economy to recover with the current two party system.

That brings me to the next point, the 2 party system is hypocritical. They say the people deserve a choice, but have made it impossible to have a 'real' choice. I mean how hard is it to get a third party. It's near impossible, so we really don't have a choice do we. Its like saying choose between Party A, or Party B. There isn't really any other viable option. I think the Founding Fathers are constantly turning over in their graves when the 2 party system limits the people to just 2 choices, instead of the free choice ideals they founded this great nation upon.

Just want everyones opinion.

[LIFE]

Honestly, I think the economy will raise itself up out of the gutter. Due to this recession, people are going to have to work harder just to keep up. After awhile, these same people will rise above the recession and will be able to stabilize the economy again. That, or kick the war into overdrive, cause factories to make more weapons and stabilize the economy that way.

As in the parties, I believe it's working. We have independents run all the time *cough* Nader *cough*. It's just that the majority of the US agrees with the Republicans or Democrats. Many parties have been overturn in the history of the US.

Kyle.d

[Quixotron]

I think the US is finished. Outsourcing and automating jobs will rid of human workers. the only thng left, would be low-paying jobs.

like all empires...rome/Us will fall. it will probably rebuild, but never will it regain its former eminence.

[Panzer]

i think this problem can be solved with one word:

[SIZE=7]REGANOMICS[/SIZE}

[Quixotron]

i think this problem can be solved with one word:

[SIZE=7]REGANOMICS[/SIZE}

you mean REGANOMICS-lower taxes, simplify the tax code and build up your military?

[Panzer]

yes :)

[dark knight]

I don't think the free trade agreement is to blame really, if someone where to try to renegotiate that fragile deal, or worse end it... well Canada be able to chage more for the oil, lumber, and other raw materials we ship to the states. Basicly because of the agreement, most of canada's industry revolves around harvesting the raw material, the US manufactures it makes it into a product and sells it right back to Canada. I think Canada's really getting more jiped by the deal then the states and it creates more jobs states side. At the same time we(Canada as I'm Canadian) would be hurt also by ending the deal as our whole infustructure doesn't include the means to take and manufacture things from the raw materials we have.

Canada and the states trade back and forth constantly, and the free trade agreement was a hard won thing, it has pros and cons from all sides. But it keeps peace between us.

The resession is happening because of credit and the desposible lifestyle, and worse the fear of ressession. People are getting worried so they take sell off stocks, others worry the companies the sold stocks concern are showing less profit and are going to go bankrupt so they sell their stocks. The companies investers see the stocks go under and withdraw support putting the company in danger.

The media isn't helping matters, it's all makeing it a volitial situation, but really there is no one to blame but yourselves for a ressession if it happens

[Quixotron]

I don't think the free trade agreement is to blame really, if someone where to try to renegotiate that fragile deal, or worse end it... well Canada be able to chage more for the oil, lumber, and other raw materials we ship to the states. Basicly because of the agreement, most of canada's industry revolves around harvesting the raw material, the US manufactures it makes it into a product and sells it right back to Canada. I think Canada's really getting more jiped by the deal then the states and it creates more jobs states side. At the same time we(Canada as I'm Canadian) would be hurt also by ending the deal as our whole infustructure doesn't include the means to take and manufacture things from the raw materials we have.

Canada and the states trade back and forth constantly, and the free trade agreement was a hard won thing, it has pros and cons from all sides. But it keeps peace between us.

The resession is happening because of credit and the desposible lifestyle, and worse the fear of ressession. People are getting worried so they take sell off stocks, others worry the companies the sold stocks concern are showing less profit and are going to go bankrupt so they sell their stocks. The companies investers see the stocks go under and withdraw support putting the company in danger.

The media isn't helping matters, it's all makeing it a volitial situation, but really there is no one to blame but yourselves for a ressession if it happens

i think you mean recession? jk ;)

yeah why doesnt canada manucture much? us americans get alot of your timber, bauxitcoper and coal and sell it right back to you for $$$.

[Panzer]

yeah, Canada should try..........REGANOMICS!!!!


i seriously believe that we should try this. anything is better than what it is now

[Quixotron]

yeah, Canada should try..........REGANOMICS!!!!


i seriously believe that we should try this. anything is better than what it is now

is this joseph or james talking? :D

[LIFE]

i think you mean recession? jk ;)

yeah why doesnt canada manucture much? us americans get alot of your timber, bauxitcoper and coal and sell it right back to you for $$$.

Don't you mean manufacture? :P

[Panzer]

is this joseph or james talking? :D

Joseph + James Sinclair=guy who supports REGANOMICS insanely


don't you mean manufacture?


MAN, Quix do you want some ice for that burn?

[WTF d00ds?]

I think the Founding Fathers are constantly turning over in their graves when the 2 party system limits the people to just 2 choices, instead of the free choice ideals they founded this great nation upon.

This country hasn't been anywhere near great since the last founding father died.

[Quixotron]

MAN, Quix do you want some ice for that burn?

AAiiiii...the skins peeling off! :bawl:

[dark knight]

*shrugs* I don't know why Canada doesn't manufacture our own stuff. We could be a stronger nation that way... though I think it has to do with the lower population here, I think we don't have the manpower to both harvest and manufacture everything we have.

but then besides the Auto industry that seems to be hurting a bit here due to US troubles our economy seems to be doing just fine, we show more jobs avalivible this year then last... but then it may be the devolpment in BC Alberta area, they need people and from what I heard are offering good wages even for retail work.

And I think I tried to spell and respell that word so many times, I can't spell worth sh*t and I know I can't. It doesn't bug me any :p

Also Canada doesn't really need to build up our military, sure we joke about how poor our military is, others joke about it too. But I that that is all a cover up, We do have a strong military core, we just use it for peacekeeping missions moreso then more war-like movements. I enjoy the fact that I live in a country that hasn't started a war, or lost one either.

Though I'm not sure how long we can claim as such, the missions to afganastan still get a lot of heat and besides the bias'ed view the media gives us (generally whenever a Canadain troop is killed by a mine, carbomb ect) the public doesn't have a good picture of what is really going on over there.

[Quixotron]

*shrugs* I don't know why Canada doesn't manufacture our own stuff. We could be a stronger nation that way... though I think it has to do with the lower population here, I think we don't have the manpower to both harvest and manufacture everything we have.

but then besides the Auto industry that seems to be hurting a bit here due to US troubles our economy seems to be doing just fine, we show more jobs avalivible this year then last... but then it may be the devolpment in BC Alberta area, they need people and from what I heard are offering good wages even for retail work.

And I think I tried to spell and respell that word so many times, I can't spell worth sh*t and I know I can't. It doesn't bug me any :p

Also Canada doesn't really need to build up our military, sure we joke about how poor our military is, others joke about it too. But I that that is all a cover up, We do have a strong military core, we just use it for peacekeeping missions moreso then more war-like movements. I enjoy the fact that I live in a country that hasn't started a war, or lost one either.

Though I'm not sure how long we can claim as such, the missions to afganastan still get a lot of heat and besides the bias'ed view the media gives us (generally whenever a Canadain troop is killed by a mine, carbomb ect) the public doesn't have a good picture of what is really going on over there.

yeah, i was just teasing, don't take it as a troll. but yeah, whats canada's oulation size? us americans have 300+ million, not including illegals-which is several tens of millions.

i think canada is more passive in nature. i was watching bowling for columbine. and there was an interview about canadians leaving their house doors open becoz they are not afraid of their neighbors. over here in america, we dare ot do that! i guess you folks take life more relaxed than us americans.

[dark knight]

depends on where you live here. When I was in Toronto I aways locked the door, but at the same time I walked across the city between 1-5am as a 20year old girl, and didn't even get a catcall... though I did get a few invites to go into a bar or two I passed and have a drink *shrugs*.

In comparison my inlaws in Tennesse won't let me walk three blocks by myself in broad daylight when I go down to visit them.

Ya we are more passive, and less crime, though it does exisit here, it's lower key, and in cirtain reagons more then others. I'll leave my door unlocked when I'm just traveling intown but then I'm back in a small town now, a crime goes unsolved for... maybe a week here... hell they even caught the guy who robed the pizza place within the year, would have been sooner but the camera didn't catch good sight of him from what I was told.

31612897 is the esimated population of Canada... not sure about illeagals but we don't seem to have the trouble with that the states do. Hell you have more illeagals possibly they we have in our population... we have so much land but not enough people to exploit it, which may be why Canada's imigration is said to be so easy, we still need the people here. hell almost 5 million of that figure is in Toronto...

[Panzer]

all countries should be able to hold their own without outside dependencies. the U.S.A's fault is oil

[LIFE]

Sorry, James, but how is that possible? Not country is the same and have the same resources in their territorial claims. While that is the ideal state, we all know that is impossible.

Kyle.d

[Panzer]

how so? i say that a country can buy and stockpile resources in times it can't support itself and still be able to trade. countries can organize themselves into terroitories such as NATO or create an alliance.

[Quixotron]

how so? i say that a country can buy and stockpile resources in times it can't support itself and still be able to trade. countries can organize themselves into terroitories such as NATO or create an alliance.

Ideally yes. Realistically no. The EU has been qute successful but there are still slackers and hard headed countries who wont play nice.

The UN is a joke.

And the Arab League, well its not very effective. Look whats happening to the Palestinians. Jordan won't make a move, even though they promised in 1974. Egypt and Syria wont either. The only ones helping the cause are Saudia Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, who pledge to fund the PLO's resistance movement-and its a trickle at best.

But yeah it takes a great deal of cooperation and perks for the powerful countries to do so. and little tiny countries usually have little or no voice in it.

[Panzer]

the un is used for everyone to look nice and lay out problems on the table. it has occured to me and to john mccain that there is no peaceful way to deal with terrorists and James would like to say that we try nuclear warfare on them and see what happens. bad james, bad

[Typhon]

how so? i say that a country can buy and stockpile resources in times it can't support itself and still be able to trade. countries can organize themselves into terroitories such as NATO or create an alliance.

Well, by your very own definition, neighboring countries are essential to the welfare of a single nation... if it can't support itself, well, it needs outside help... and yeah, that's what's happening in the world right now...



...it has occured to me and to john mccain that there is no peaceful way to deal with terrorists and James would like to say that we try nuclear warfare on them and see what happens. bad james, bad

And in which manner do you propose that nuclear weapons be unleashed on individuals we can't even locate?

[Panzer]

Well, by your very own definition, neighboring countries are essential to the welfare of a single nation... if it can't support itself, well, it needs outside help... and yeah, that's what's happening in the world right now...
[QUOTE]

i said supporting it self with stock piling and alliances with other countries to become one (figurativly)

It's meant in the way that a nation can survive by itself with necessities and not wants. like in the US oil need will be over with the production of the car powered by compressed air and very little gasoline expected to reach dealerships in 2009. one tank of compressed air and less than a gallon of gas can go 854 miles.


think of nations as families and neighbors. just because a nation asks to borrow a cup of sugar doesn't mean the end to a once powerful nation.

[QUOTE]And in which manner do you propose that nuclear weapons be unleashed on individuals we can't even locate?


not to individuals but to people. the fat man and the little boy. hiroshima, hiroshima

[Ants!]

Does anyone think the U.S. economy will get better, even if a Democrat gets elected?The economy would eventually get better regardless of who is in office, it eventually corrects itself overtime. Many people believe that when an economy goes up or down it is the doing of the president, but that's not always true. It goes up and down endlessly over time. The only way we won't get out of this recession is if we hit a depression, and even that can't last forever.

[Quixotron]

The economy would eventually get better regardless of who is in office, it eventually corrects itself overtime. Many people believe that when an economy goes up or down it is the doing of the president, but that's not always true. It goes up and down endlessly over time. The only way we won't get out of this recession is if we hit a depression, and even that can't last forever.

i agree. it will stabilize and reach a steady state sometime. but it will never spike like it did in the 50's-80's. with the cost of living so high...the majority of our employers will get the he!! out of here.

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

This country hasn't been anywhere near great since the last founding father died.

Did any of the first several presidents even have a party affiliation. Another thing is why do we keep electing people who either attended Yale, or Harvard, they haven't been doing this country anygood. Lets start looking for real leaders, like George Washington was.

[canadaguy]

but then besides the Auto industry that seems to be hurting a bit here due to US troubles our economy seems to be doing just fine, we show more jobs avalivible this year then last... but then it may be the devolpment in BC Alberta area, they need people and from what I heard are offering good wages even for retail work.



Saskatchewan and somewhat Manitoba as well. The economy out west here is pretty much holding the entire country up.

Also Canada doesn't really need to build up our military, sure we joke about how poor our military is, others joke about it too. But I that that is all a cover up, We do have a strong military core, we just use it for peacekeeping missions moreso then more war-like movements. I enjoy the fact that I live in a country that hasn't started a war, or lost one either.


While the Canadian military may be small in comparison to alot of other countries, they do tend to be very good at what they do. Especially in some of the highly specialized areas (fighter pilots, snipers etc.)




It's meant in the way that a nation can survive by itself with necessities and not wants. like in the US oil need will be over with the production of the car powered by compressed air and very little gasoline expected to reach dealerships in 2009. one tank of compressed air and less than a gallon of gas can go 854 miles.




Except vehicle fuel is just a portion of the petrochemical business.

[LIFE]

how so? i say that a country can buy and stockpile resources in times it can't support itself and still be able to trade. countries can organize themselves into terroitories such as NATO or create an alliance.

Okay....so what happens when they run out? Buy some more? Either way, the country is reliant on another.


not to individuals but to people. the fat man and the little boy. hiroshima, hiroshima

That would be POINTLESS. The reason we went over there (as of now) was to end terrorism over there and to end Suddam's reign. If we just nuke them all, then everything else would have been POINTLESS. Not everyone is a terrorist. May I remind you that they kill their own people as well. We'll just be helping them. Also, if I may be so bold, this would also be genocide. Kill out the entire Arab race and/or Islam belief! We'll get rid of all the terrorists that way! Hitler would be proud.

[dark knight]

Ontario would be doing better if not for so much corruption in the offices here. Peopel in board offices useing tax money for personal gain rather then to serve the people. Power corrupts, and the corruption of years is finally comeing to light.

And I can see how the west is doing well, much better then the east, The seafood and seafareing buiness of NewBrunswick, Nove Scotia, and Newfoundland are suffering due to overharvesting.

but really The hype and the scare seems to be what is driveing the trouble. Gold spikes up to a grand and then falls back down to what it was last month which is still better then it was at the end of the year, and everyone starts selling off stocks in everything from crude oil to corn...

Killing and terrorizeing millions to billions of innocent people(which is what nukes would do) is not the way to fight terror you can't fight terror with terror.

each nation relys on in trade for what they lack, But I think the western scociety made a mistake when they took down the railway system and public transit, we rely to much on each family haveing it's own vehical and fuel for said vehical and we can only servive as such for so long. Basicly we have to make vehicals not rely on a non renewable fuel source or go to a more public transit system.

[Panzer]

Okay....so what happens when they run out? Buy some more? Either way, the country is reliant on another.



That would be POINTLESS. The reason we went over there (as of now) was to end terrorism over there and to end Suddam's reign. If we just nuke them all, then everything else would have been POINTLESS. Not everyone is a terrorist. May I remind you that they kill their own people as well. We'll just be helping them. Also, if I may be so bold, this would also be genocide. Kill out the entire Arab race and/or Islam belief! We'll get rid of all the terrorists that way! Hitler would be proud.

so you would rather we keep sending soldiers over their?

i will compare iraq with island hopping in ww2. we lost 10k men a day, we still bombed them but that didn't make their deaths in vain.


what happens when the resources are all gone

how would they come to being all gone? the us has struck 2 oil mines that are bigger than the middle east. they are in alaska and colorado.

[Typhon]

so you would rather we keep sending soldiers over there?

i will compare iraq with island hopping in ww2. we lost 10k men a day, we still bombed them but that didn't make their deaths in vain.



Then you would be wrong to compare the two...

We fought the empire of Japan in WWII... we are fighting Islamic terrorists in Iraq... big difference...

See, the problem with terrorist is they have this knack to remain unidentified and tend no to wear uniforms in public... so we have this slight problem of finding these guys who hide among a civilian population...

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

There were no terrorist in Iraq before we invaded, at least thats my undestanding. G.W. Bush is just finishing what daddy Bush started. Its Bush family business that got us into Iraq, at least thats my opinion.

[Typhon]

There were no terrorist in Iraq before we invaded, at least thats my undestanding. G.W. Bush is just finishing what daddy Bush started. Its Bush family business that got us into Iraq, at least thats my opinion.

There are/were terrorists throughout the Muslim areas of the world and there is nothing the US can do about it (at least the way we're going about it)... so yeah, there were terrorists in Iraq years before we conducted an invasion...


But actually, Bush Sr. finished his work in Iraq back in 92' (we didn't invade, someone in that administration pulling the strings knew what they were doing), but I think the boy prince has his own twisted agenda in the sandbox...

[Panzer]

Then you would be wrong to compare the two...

We fought the empire of Japan in WWII... we are fighting Islamic terrorists in Iraq... big difference...

See, the problem with terrorist is they have this knack to remain unidentified and tend no to wear uniforms in public... so we have this slight problem of finding these guys who hide among a civilian population...

so what better way to kill them.

[Typhon]

so what better way to kill them.


Um... by not blowing up the people who we don't wanna kill...

For every one terrorist in Iraq, there are 500 civilians who want them out of their country... the people of Iraq are help hostage by foreigners...

The majority of terrorists in Iraq are not Iraqis, they are usually Saudis or Iranians... the common MO for these guys are: break into someones house, take his family hostage, and instruct him to plant a bomb on the side of the road ("If you're not back in 2 minutes, I will kill your family")... that's the most common form of terrorism in Iraq right now...

So carpet bombing the country will just kill countless civilians...

[Quixotron]

Then you would be wrong to compare the two...

We fought the empire of Japan in WWII... we are fighting Islamic terrorists in Iraq... big difference...

See, the problem with terrorist is they have this knack to remain unidentified and tend no to wear uniforms in public... so we have this slight problem of finding these guys who hide among a civilian population...

agreed. this is not a conventional war, otherwise the al quaeda would have been exterminated by now. the terrorists are using guerilla warfare tactics. like you mentioned, they also hide among the civilian population and threaten neutral civilians with retaliation should they betray or "get in their way."

its terrible over there to say the least. and no short term or long term solution is available. these people have been waging war for thousands of years over territory. why cant they live in peace with the neighboring countries?

Probably because these ethnic instill THEIR OWN religious/idealistic theocracy. For instance in Saudia Arabia it is illegal for a citizen to worship another faith. and in israel, from what i read in jimmy carter's " the blood of abraham" non-jews cannot practice law in israel or possess land w/o specific written authorization from the jewish council. so i can imagine why these people are fighting, they want their own, autonomous state free from another's oppression/intolerance.

definitely a solution would be a separation of church and state like the US. but i doubt it the arabs or jews will do that.

[Panzer]

Um... by not blowing up the people who we don't wanna kill...

For every one terrorist in Iraq, there are 500 civilians who want them out of their country... the people of Iraq are help hostage by foreigners...

The majority of terrorists in Iraq are not Iraqis, they are usually Saudis or Iranians... the common MO for these guys are: break into someones house, take his family hostage, and instruct him to plant a bomb on the side of the road ("If you're not back in 2 minutes, I will kill your family")... that's the most common form of terrorism in Iraq right now...

So carpet bombing the country will just kill countless civilians...


I just saw the iraq head news show with children of sucide bombers laughing knowing that their mom or dad is with allah. if that brainwashed country is going to do that to their children then the same was done with kamikaze airfighters. you think we didn't want to kill everyone in hiroshima, just the officers right?

[Typhon]

I just saw the iraq head news show with children of sucide bombers laughing knowing that their mom or dad is with allah. if that brainwashed country is going to do that to their children then the same was done with kamikaze airfighters. you think we didn't want to kill everyone in hiroshima, just the officers right?


Country is the operative word there......... it's not the whole country (empire, nation, whatever)... it's a very small portion of an entire civilization... and no... WWII is nothing like the type of war we are in right now, and I'm not even going to bother with the semantics...

Our objective is not to force a nation into surrender (which was the objective in WWII), our mission is to halt terrorist activities against civilians in Iraq (however impossible that is)... and you can't halt terrorist activities by blowing everyone to smithereens...

[LIFE]

James, lets try to put this into prospective. Say YOU were an Iraqi. You weren't a terrorist or, just for the sake of argument, a muslim. Then the next thing you know, the US nuked your country. Wait, your family was vacationing in the city that was bombed. They're gone. Hey, your mom and dad lived about 10 miles away from the bomb site. they call you and tell you they both have cancer, chances are Lukemia. Say bye to them.

You see James. If we do nuke them, for every thousand that dies, you probably killed 1 terrorist. Good job.

[Panzer]

if i was a muslim iraqi i would have to sense to get the hell out of iraqi.

if i was a muslim iraqi i would be happy that everyone would go to allah

if i was a muslim iraqi i would be to brainwashed to care about my parents.

for every 5 people that would have died 2 terrorists would die. many iraqi's are one car bombing, one hate speech, one terroristic scene from becoming a terrorist.

its the propaganda that rules the children's lives that the US is ruining their country and to hate.

you can't halt terrorist activities by blowing everyone to smithereens...

YES YOU CAN

[LIFE]

Many can't AFFORD to leave Iraq. Especially under Saddam's reign. It was near impossible.

So, next time someone closes to you die, you won't shed one tear?

Uh, i care about my parents....I'm not a "brainwashed iraqi muslim".

Uh, care to prove that fact of yours?

And let me point out one thing:
You weren't a terrorist or, just for the sake of argument, a muslim

Read what I write before you start arguing against me.

Kyle.d

[canadaguy]

how would they come to being all gone? the us has struck 2 oil mines that are bigger than the middle east. they are in alaska and colorado.


When did this happen exactly? Saudi Arabia alone has proven oil reserves that outrank the US 10:1.

[Typhon]

for every 5 people that would have died 2 terrorists would die.


No where near that ratio... more like 500:1

[Panzer]

Many can't AFFORD to leave Iraq. Especially under Saddam's reign. It was near impossible.

So, next time someone closes to you die, you won't shed one tear?

Uh, i care about my parents....I'm not a "brainwashed iraqi muslim".

Uh, care to prove that fact of yours?

And let me point out one thing:


Read what I write before you start arguing against me.

Kyle.d


i took the point to of an iraqi muslim.
If i was an iraqi muslim...
if i was an iraqi muslim...
If i was an iraqi muslim...


read what i write before start arguing against me.


many iraqi's if they really wanted to could cross the border into a different country.

if a man from cancoon mexico can get into the U.S then an iraqi can cross into a bording country.


saddam's reign is over now, people have a form of democracy even though it's unstable.

and if i lived in iraqi as i live now i would be different. the daily news would tell me that the glorious country soldiers are winning the war and after that the iraq gets nuked. parents call say that they have cancer and lukeimia, I would be sad but i wouldn't be that sad knowing i would have done all i could to get them out of their. Iraq is a ticking time bomb and the outside world is about to cut the red wire.

[Typhon]

if a man from cancoon mexico can get into the U.S then an iraqi can cross into a bording country.



That's US-Mexico relations... you can be executed in the middle east for being an unauthorized refugee...

And as I stated before... it's not the majority of Iraqis that are the terrorists, it's the neighboring nations that are supplying the terrorist numbers(Saudis, Iranians, Syrians, etc.)...

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

That's US-Mexico relations... you can be executed in the middle east for being an unauthorized refugee...

And as I stated before... it's not the majority of Iraqis that are the terrorists, it's the neighboring nations that are supplying the terrorist numbers(Saudis, Iranians, Syrians, etc.)...

Then why aren't we focusing on the terroists there as well. We could fight them until the apocolypse in Iraq, and they'll just keep coming from wherever else. So lets shift a little focus away from Iraq, and start concentrating on these other nations that are training them, that would seem to be the logical course of action wouldn't it. Thats part of the reason the Taliban is resurging in Afganistan, because we shifted focus toward Iraq. Iraq has taken so much focus its actually costing us the war against terrorists isn't it, sure we deal with the terrorists in Iraq, but meanwhile terrorists in the other nations you listed will grow in number, and strength.

[Typhon]

Then why aren't we focusing on the terroists there as well. We could fight them until the apocolypse in Iraq, and they'll just keep coming from wherever else. So lets shift a little focus away from Iraq, and start concentrating on these other nations that are training them, that would seem to be the logical course of action wouldn't it. Thats part of the reason the Taliban is resurging in Afganistan, because we shifted focus toward Iraq. Iraq has taken so much focus its actually costing us the war against terrorists isn't it, sure we deal with the terrorists in Iraq, but meanwhile terrorists in the other nations you listed will grow in number, and strength.


Exactly... it's the policy that is wrong with entire War on Terror... the intention may have some type of justification, but it's been handled so poorly that everyone has lost sight of the objective... this administration has demonstrated the pinnacle of a political blunder...

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

Exactly... it's the policy that is wrong with entire War on Terror... the intention may have some type of justification, but it's been handled so poorly that everyone has lost sight of the objective... this administration has demonstrated the pinnacle of a political blunder...

Just be thankful he won't be on the ballot this time around. Maybe we should go back to electing strong leaders, like George Washington was, not Harvard, or Yale graduates.

[Typhon]

It's not just the President... it's the entire administration all the way to the Senate and Houses... no one can agree on a single aspect of the war...

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

It's not just the President... it's the entire administration all the way to the Senate and Houses... no one can agree on a single aspect of the war...

Forgot about them, why can't they do whats best for the country, like the founding fathers did. They at least knew how to lead. Now we elect lawyers, and what not. What do they know about leadership? Like I said we need real leaders in this country.

[Panzer]

that's what alexander hamilton thought. (him or Jefferson) but hamilition believed that people would do best that benefits themselves and not the nation, he got things his way and things from then on worked pretty good. jefferson believed in the good of people and it was almost like he couldn't comprehend someone being so underhanded. jefferson founded the democratic party first known as the democrat-republic party and hamiliton founded the republican first known as the federalists.

I am republican and i don't say that the democrats are taking over the nation i just believe there is an imbalance right now. things messed up from bush are going to leave a lot of work for the next president

[~Mr. Indecisive~]

that's what alexander hamilton thought. (him or Jefferson) but hamilition believed that people would do best that benefits themselves and not the nation, he got things his way and things from then on worked pretty good. jefferson believed in the good of people and it was almost like he couldn't comprehend someone being so underhanded. jefferson founded the democratic party first known as the democrat-republic party and hamiliton founded the republican first known as the federalists.

I am republican and i don't say that the democrats are taking over the nation i just believe there is an imbalance right now. things messed up from bush are going to leave a lot of work for the next president

I've been an Independent since I turned 18, 5 years ago. I am quite frankly sick of both parties, all they do is whine, b*tch, p*ss, and moan about alot of the same crap every election cycle, but they never seem to do anything about whatever it is they are yelling about.