World Class Championship Wrestling

[storm4]

I'm finally getting around to watching Smackdown!, and they're promoting the WCCW DVD. It brought back a lot of memories. I was wondering if any of you actually watched any WCCW wrestling. It was up there with the UWF and the NWA. Some of the greatest stars ever went thtough Dallas, and they some awesome matches. But look @ the tragedy: The Von Erichs's, Gino Hernandez, Chris Adams, Rick Rude, Terry Gordy; some of the greatest ever have passed on, but left us some of the best wrestling in WCCW.

[Dean]

I've never watched WCCW, but I know of the legendary Freebirds/Von Erichs feud.

The caliber of talent and the names you mention alone are enough to attest to WCCW's former prominence and influence on wrestling thereafter.

[xdarqpez1x]

Eh, I've never seen what was so special about WCCW. I watched some old matches and basically, what I've picked up on over the years, it was basically about pushing the Von Erichs. I know a lot of old guys like the stuff. I used to converse regularly with a guy who worshiped WCCW.

I personally found it to be pretty damn boring, but it was a different time, I guess.

[Dean]

Well, it sort of reminds me of how a lot of great wrestlers have gone through Global Wrestling Federation (Jerry Lynn, Sean Waltman, and Booker T to name a few), but I've never really found anything that special about the rest of the roster - guys like Tugboat Taylor, Alex Porteau, John Tatum, Steve Simpson, Mike Dahl, etc. I'm not impressed with them, but they provided a decent launching pad for some of wrestling's future superstars.

I think WCCW just had a lot of influence on wrestling's future as it provided a place for a lot of guys who were pretty young at the time, I guess. It sort of reminds me of a lot of the southern independent wrestling promotions and stuff, where you hear about certain guys getting their start in an indy promotion in Memphis or the Carolinas or somewhere like that.

But god, the commentary in GWF was AWFUL, lol.

[storm4]

Eh, I've never seen what was so special about WCCW. I watched some old matches and basically, what I've picked up on over the years, it was basically about pushing the Von Erichs. I know a lot of old guys like the stuff. I used to converse regularly with a guy who worshiped WCCW.

I personally found it to be pretty damn boring, but it was a different time, I guess.
Well. you find today boring, too, so I'm not really sure what makes you happy. Maybe M.O.M. matches....

They pushed the Von Erichs, true, but who cares? They were so frigging over. And the angles were excellent. They were revolutionary.

[xdarqpez1x]

I find WWE boring. That's not even "wrestling", so I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about.

WCCW was boring, in my opinion, I've seen a lot of old matches and it was just a lot of slow brawling around and some interference. There's a reason why wrestling had to evolve from past that. I will say that old wrestling in general had better promos than most of the stuff today, barring some workers, obviously, but the peak of promo greatness and just about anything else was ECW, period, but that's not news to anybody.

What is an M.O.M. match?

[storm4]

I find WWE boring. That's not even "wrestling", so I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about.

WCCW was boring, in my opinion, I've seen a lot of old matches and it was just a lot of slow brawling around and some interference. There's a reason why wrestling had to evolve from past that. I will say that old wrestling in general had better promos than most of the stuff today, barring some workers, obviously, but the peak of promo greatness and just about anything else was ECW, period, but that's not news to anybody.

What is an M.O.M. match?
Actually, it's news to me. The fact that everyone wants to pretend that everything that ECW did was great is fine, but sorry, I don't subscribe to that bandwagon. They were innovative, but a far cry from the greatest era.
What I'm talking about is the fact that you were wanting the WWE to become what it once was before, now you're saying it was always boring.
M.O.M was Men on a Mission, which was a tag team from the era that you once claimed was WWE's peak, the early to mid nineties.

Now, please, if you didn't watch (or like) the product, fine. I was actually just giving some of the younger fans a heads up of some great wrestling, and history. Believe it or not, wrestling isn't all about spot monkeys. Watch some WCCW, or even better, old NWA.

[xdarqpez1x]

Where did I say it was always boring? What the hell is going on? Last I checked, WWE has been boring a good majority of it's existence. WWF, on the other hand, now there's something to talk about.

Men on a Mission weren't even in WWF in their peak, dude! I'm pretty sure they were out of the WWF by 1997, WWF's best year by far. I never, ever said the early 90's were any good in WWF. They had a couple of things going for them, certainly more than today, but they were far passe by that point.

And as for jumping on a bandwagon, it's gospel, as far as I'm concerned. The best promos, the best workrate you'd find in America at that time, the best gimmicks and storylines, the production philosophy... I don't see how anybody is arguing with that, especially if you're going to put it up against the likes of a Terry Gordy vs. Missing Link match or any of that other crap.

And spot monkeys? Please... I LIKE RAVEN AND CORINO! THE TWO LAZIEST GUYS IN THE RING YOU'LL FIND THESE DAYS! They work the psychology and selling and all of that a lot more interesting than anything I saw on the old kayfabe footage. I've seen it all, man, and yeah, old NWA is better than WCCW and the worst is f*cking Memphis, for crying out loud.

[RedHotSun]

It beats the local promotions around here. Anybody ever seen an IWA: Deep South event? I'd say there are maybe 2 guys who can actually wrestle and the rest are like Mick Foleys filled with pain pills. I don't call seeing a fat guy being thrown into a kitty pool full of barbed wire, salt, and alcohol entertainment. Garbage wrestling in it's purest form.

[storm4]

Where did I say it was always boring? What the hell is going on? Last I checked, WWE has been boring a good majority of it's existence. WWF, on the other hand, now there's something to talk about.

Men on a Mission weren't even in WWF in their peak, dude! I'm pretty sure they were out of the WWF by 1997, WWF's best year by far. I never, ever said the early 90's were any good in WWF. They had a couple of things going for them, certainly more than today, but they were far passe by that point.

And as for jumping on a bandwagon, it's gospel, as far as I'm concerned. The best promos, the best workrate you'd find in America at that time, the best gimmicks and storylines, the production philosophy... I don't see how anybody is arguing with that, especially if you're going to put it up against the likes of a Terry Gordy vs. Missing Link match or any of that other crap.

And spot monkeys? Please... I LIKE RAVEN AND CORINO! THE TWO LAZIEST GUYS IN THE RING YOU'LL FIND THESE DAYS! They work the psychology and selling and all of that a lot more interesting than anything I saw on the old kayfabe footage. I've seen it all, man, and yeah, old NWA is better than WCCW and the worst is f*cking Memphis, for crying out loud.
I thought it was kind of understood that the WWF and WWE were interchangable....
Look, yay rah, ECW! ECW! I know, I know, we talk about it all the time. There were wonderful things about ECW; the purpose of this thread is to talk about something different. And I can't believe that you would even think to slam a Terry Gordy. Before his accident, he was without doubt one of the greatest to set foot in the ring. To me, he embodied what I perceive to be what made ECW something special. As far as the Link goes, (R.I.P.) diss him all you want. :tease: And if you think that a lot of guys in ECW didn't get themselves over by being spot monkeys, well, you're just in denial. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just saying it's a fact.)
But this really isn't about ECW Vs. WCCW, xdarqpez1x....or Joe. What I'm talking about is the richness of history of the Dallas region, whetheryou liked them or not. You grew up watching in the nineties. I watched wrestling as a kid in the eighties. I, of course came in as a WWF fan, thanks to how they marketed to kids. But when I discovered the NWA, UWF, and WCCW, I became a real fan. It may bore you, the way that older rock probably bores youth today because they've heard newer, more innovative sound, but you have to understand that in that era, regions like WCCW were a breath of fresh air from the choregraphed, sanitized WWF. And, much like ECW, it was a chance to see some of the biggest stars of our day get their start.
I think I can appreciate where you coming from here, it's just that you and I were influenced at different points of our lives. Believe it or not, one day there may be someone telling you that ECW was boring, because a newer promotion, who is piggybacking off of ECW's success is more edgy.

[xdarqpez1x]

Right, well, what I'm saying is, I've watched a lot of WCCW stuff and you know, respect as much as I do and understand the time, I'm saying straight up I don't suggest anybody watch this thing looking for good wrestling. That's my main point was to stay on topic on this. When I'm talking about Gordy, he's awesome, but I mean, the last WCCW match I watched was between him and Link and it was just atrocious, slow brawling with the weakest looking blows I've seen this side of Jim Hellwig.

But yeah, I'm actually interested in the story of it all and everything and am sure it was great for the time, and I've tried to stomach the action and appreciate it, but I have no taste for the kind of plodding matches they were putting on or most companies at the time were putting on, really, without really good characters driving it. I'm a fan of older wrestling, I like watching matches from guys like Magnum TA and Kevin Sullivan and others, but I mean, I've personally never seen anything from WCCW I thought was any good.

That's just me.

And if anybody tried to tell me ECW was terrible, I'd debate to my death to try and defend them. By the time somebody is saying that, that could very well be a reality. lol