Team help

[pokemon-12]

I would like some help with this team please. Suggestions on movesets/natures/items/EVs would be appreciated.


Empoleon@*need item*
*need nature*

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: *need help*



Dragonite@[what is that berry that cures confusion?]
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt LEAD POKEMON
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Punch

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Jolly nature

Flare Blitz
Thunder Punch
Close Combat
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 252sp def 4sp att


Skarmory@*need item*
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
*need move*

Basicly the first 4 pokemon are sweepers and the last 2 walls.

sorry Empoleon is the lead pokemon

[Rick52]

Empoleon: I can't help too much with EV spreads because I'm not familiar with Empoleon. Leftovers for the item, though, unless you feel a bit short on Leftovers stock, in which case a Life Orb or Wise Glasses wouldn't be a bad alternative. Offhand, Modest would be a decent nature, but I've heard of +SpDf natures doing well for it as well.

Dragonite: Yache Berry cures only confusion (I think), but Lum Berry cures all status problems, incase someone tries to cripple you before/during Outrage.

Skarmory: Leftovers and Roar (Whirlwind preferably but that needs to be bred on).

Infernape and/or Electivire needs Flamethrower/Thunderbolt respectively to handle opposing Skarmory. Their physical STAB moves won't do much to Skarmory, and your only Special options (Empoleon and... Blissey) aren't going to kill it very quick either.

[pokemon-12]

UPDATE:


Originally posted by pokemon-12
Empoleon@Wise Glasses LEAD POKEMON
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: *need help*



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Bolt Woulden't it make more sence to use thunder PUNCH because Adamant raises att and reduces sp att.

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Jolly nature

Flare Blitz
Thunder Punch
Close Combat
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 252sp def 4sp att


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: *need help*


Changes in Bold.

Wouldn't Infernape's Flare Blitz take out Skarmory?

[Shur'tugal]

Originally posted by pokemon-12
Wouldn't Infernape's Flare Blitz take out Skarmory?

I think it would but it wouldn't hurt to have another move on a different pokemon.

[Pencil Thief]

Skarmory can take physical hits quite well, and is also very common, so I would also suggest at least putting a special sweeper in there. Maybe you could even change your Infernape to a special sweeper.

Infernape@Life Orb/Expert Belt/Leftovers
-Modest/Timid-
Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Focus Blast/HP Ice

[CeriseWolf]

Skarmory can take physical hits quite well, and is also very common, so I would also suggest at least putting a special sweeper in there. Maybe you could even change your Infernape to a special sweeper.

Infernape@Life Orb/Expert Belt/Leftovers
-Modest/Timid-
Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Focus Blast/HP Ice

eh, he needs to be a skarmbliss counter and therefore a mixed sweeper.

expert belt
-flamethrower
-grass knot
-close combat
-eq

[pokemon-12]

What nature do I give the mixed sweeper?

[Shur'tugal]

There really is no good nature for a mixed one.

Go for Pencils special Infernape.

[Rick52]

Mix Infernapes usually run Natures that lower defense while boosting one of the attacks or Speed. It's not going to live too long anyway so the loss of defense isn't too important.

[pokemon-12]

UPDATE:


Originally posted by pokemon-12

Empoleon@Wise Glasses LEAD POKEMON
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: *need help*



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Bolt

Woulden't it make more sence to use thunder PUNCH because Adamant raises att and reduces sp att.

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Jolly nature

Flame Thrower
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 252sp def 4sp att


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: *need help*

I need help with the bolded and underlined text.

[Bulbasaurus Rex]

You switched your Infernape to a special sweeper to take out Skarmary, so you should switch Electivire back to Thunder Punch.

[Pencil Thief]

Also, you have to change your Infernape's nature if you're going to use it as a special sweeper. Use a Timid/Modest nature.

[Rick52]

I was looking at some calcs, and found this.

Assume Electivire has a nature where neither its Attack nor its Special Attack is boosted or reduced. Then assume both of them have max IVs and, for the sake of argument, EVs.

That gives Electivire 345 Attack and 289 Special Attack. Thunderpunch has 75 base power, Thunderbolt 95.

Against a pokemon who has an equal amount of Physical and Special defense, Thunderbolt actually does just about the same, if not slightly more, damage than Thunderpunch on Electivire.

But it's up to you. Bolt is best used against the likes of Skarmory, Punch is better suited for pokemon like Milotic. Also, if you do use Bolt, Lonely is the standard nature, with some EVs spread out among its HP, Speed, and both its attack stats.

As for Skarmory, give it some EVs in HP and Attack, with relatively few in Defense as it has enough as it is. Consider throwing some into its Special Defense as well.

[pokemon-12]

My bad about Infernape.

UPDATE

Originally posted by pokemon-12

Empoleon@Wise Glasses LEAD POKEMON
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: *need help*



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Punch


EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Modest nature

Flame Thrower
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 252sp def 4sp att


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: 248HP 116att 116def 28sp def What about those EVs?


I just need help with Empoleon and Skarmorys EVs.

[Shur'tugal]

Empoleon@Wise Glasses----Leftovers if you can get them
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP


They could work.

[pokemon-12]

UPDATE:


Originally posted by pokemon-12

Empoleon@Wise Glasses.---leftovers if I can get them. LEAD POKEMON
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Punch


EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Modest nature

Flame Thrower
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 252sp def 4sp att


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: 248HP 116att 116def 28sp def

What about those EVs?


Changes in BOLD.

Are Skarmory's EVs good?

[Shur'tugal]

When playing competitively lead with Electivre.

[Wej]

you shouldn't give Empolean speed EV's even with those he is still very slow. Also don't give Blissey EV's in sp. defence put them in defense so it isn't owned by one physical move. Also lead with Electrivire.

[pokemon-12]

update:


Originally posted by pokemon-12


Empoleon@Wise Glasses.---leftovers if I can get them.
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: 252sp att 116def 116sp def 4HP



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt LEAD POKEMON
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Punch


EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Modest nature

Flame Thrower
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 232sp def 4sp att 20def


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: 248HP 116att 116def 28sp def

What about those EVs?


Changes in BOLD.

Are Empoleon and Skarmorys EVs good?

[Bulbasaurus Rex]

I think Wej meant to switch all 252 of Blissey's Special Defense EVs over to Defense.

For Empoleon's EVs, I'd give it 252 Special Attack, 252 HP, and 4 in a defense of your choice. If you're going to split EVs pretty evenly between Defense and Special Defense, it's better to put them in HP, which helps against both kinds of attacks.

[Shur'tugal]

Empoleon---252sp att 252HP 4def


Blissey-----252HP 116def 116sp def 4sp att maybe I don't really know abut Blissey.


Skarmory-----fine by me. But other people might make a better spread.

[pokemon-12]

Shur'tugal I think you meant 126 not 116.


UPDATE:


Originally posted by pokemon-12


Empoleon@Wise Glasses.---leftovers if I can get them.
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: 252sp att 116def 116sp def 4HP



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt LEAD POKEMON
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Punch


EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Modest nature

Flame Thrower
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 126def 126sp def 4sp att


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: 248HP 116att 116def 28sp def


My final 2 questions.

1. Are all those EVs good?

2. Is this team good for competitive battling?

[Shur'tugal]

I can't answer the first question but I can answer the second.

If the EVs are good then yes.

[Bulbasaurus Rex]

You didn't switch your Empoleon's EVs like we suggested.

[pokemon-12]

Empoleon-----252sp att 252HP 4def

I need help with Skarmory and Blissey.

[Skittleman]

I'm looking at Empoleon's moveset, and thinking Agility might work better in place of Flash Cannon. While it does get STAB, the only type it can hit well that its other attacks don't cover is Ice, and you won't find many of those fighting Empoleon. Besides, Surf already fills in the "reliable STAB" role, and is more powerful than Flash Cannon. Also, seeing as your Empoleon's moveset is suited for the special sweeper role, and Empoleon's speed is less than desireable for that role, Agility in my opinion is worth consideration.

[Shur'tugal]

True but Empoleons defences are less then amazing.

[pokemon-12]

I'm going to keep Flash Cannon.

Are Blissey and Skarmorys EVs good?

[Shur'tugal]

Skarmorys look fine to me.

[Pencil Thief]

Throw all of Blissey's EVs into HP and defense. Its special defense is already high enough, and Blissey needs all the help it can get with its defense. So, the EVs should look like this:

252 HP 252 defense 4 sp. atk.

[pokemon-12]

Final UPDATE:


Originally posted by pokemon-12

Empoleon@Leftovers
Modest nature

Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

EVs: 252sp att 252HP 4def



Dragonite@Lum Berry
Jolly nature

Outrage
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Electivre@Expert Belt LEAD POKEMON
Adamant nature

Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Thunder Punch


EVs: 252att 252speed 4HP


Infernape@Expert Belt
Modest nature

Flame Thrower
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot

EVs: 252sp att 252speed 4HP


Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature

Toxic
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock

EVs: 252HP 252def 4sp att


Skarmory@Leftovers
Careful nature

Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Whirlwind

EVs: 248HP 116att 116def 28sp def


Changes in Bold.

Thank you all so much. Thats my team. Unless anyone has anything to add I'm done with this thread.

sorry with Skarmory its EVs are these:


248HP 116att 116sp def 28def