Bisexual split (lol pun again)

[S Murder]

The reason why I am not so ok with the thought of him being with another Woman and not being with another guy is because there shouldn't be anything that another woman can do for him that I can't.... but I can't do everything for him that a guy would be able to....

Note I said being with not in Love with there is a difference.

People can love more than one person at once, I've realized this and accept it. And I'm not going to get on My husbands case over somthing that isn't easy to help. I know his love for me isn't diminished by loveing another person, so why should I feel threatened by it. All of the people in question to date live so far away besides him talking to them every night and such anyone he's fallen for haven't come up here so I haven't had to worry about that part....

His current friend has half-plans of comeing up here, and I've made it clear I want to meet him and know who he is and such. I may be ok with him possibly being with someone, but I want to know about it.

We got married because we love each other greatly and have the commitment to stay and live together for the rest of our lives, raisein our son and trying to make each other happy. It wouldn't be a 'open' relationship if he wasn't bi and I could do everything to make him happy.

I hope that came out right....
Aren't you sort of talking out of both sides of your mouth? At one point you say that you know that he loves you and it's just so that he can get satified, and then you say you accept it because you know he can't help loving other people. Which is it? And this whole time he hasn't been talking about getting male @$$, he's been talking about this guy he loves and is confused because he's been emotionally hurt by men in the past.
If his love for another man doesn't diminish his love for you, why would his love for another woman?
Either way, it's posible that he would want to be with another woman because she could do something you can't and there's no love involved, and it's also posible that he would want to be with another woman because he loves her, regardless of what she can or can't do. And if you're afraid a woman could tear him away, why couldn't a man tear him away from you? If you're obligated to let him be satisfied by men, why doesn't it apply to women? What if he was heterosexual but could only be satisfied by 2 women? Certainly you couldn't perform something that requires 2 people. Would you let him be with 2 women at the same time?
People can love more than one person at once, I've realized this and accept it. And I'm not going to get on My husbands case over somthing that isn't easy to help. I know his love for me isn't diminished by loveing another person, so why should I feel threatened by it.Yes, you can love more than one person at a time, which is why we choose one person to be with (AKA commitment). Lots of people live together and raise a child, but that has nothing to do with their commitment to each other. Commitment requires sacrifice and devotion.
His current friend has half-plans of comeing up here, and I've made it clear I want to meet him and know who he is and such. I may be ok with him possibly being with someone, but I want to know about it.So, if he loves this guy, is he going to move in and help you raise your child?

[dark knight]

Aren't you sort of talking out of both sides of your mouth? At one point you say that you know that he loves you and it's just so that he can get satified, and then you say you accept it because you know he can't help loving other people. Which is it?

A combination of both? Can't it be a answer like that? The issue is such that I don't have a clear cut black and white way of saying how I feel on the issue. Both are seperate parts of the issue that caused my current standpoint. The issue is complex and if I could find a solution to make it so that I alone could statify him I would.



And this whole time he hasn't been talking about getting male @$$, he's been talking about this guy he loves and is confused because he's been emotionally hurt by men in the past.
If his love for another man doesn't diminish his love for you, why would his love for another woman?

Love is a feeling that can happen in various forms at varrious times. I am not worried that his love for me will diminish or change, and if he loved another Woman I wouldn't have a issue with it, I'd have a issue with him being with that woman. Therre is a difference and yes, it sounds biased but I'm human I'm entitled to be biased every so often. And no I don't feel that issue will come up, he's bi with a male preference, from what I've been told I am the only woman he's loved and given the nature of our relationship and what we hve talked about I belive him and I am not worried.

If I suddenly decided I was unconfortable with him meeting with and being with another guy I am sure he'd respect my wishes and not do so.


Either way, it's posible that he would want to be with another woman because she could do something you can't and there's no love involved, and it's also posible that he would want to be with another woman because he loves her, regardless of what she can or can't do. And if you're afraid a woman could tear him away, why couldn't a man tear him away from you? If you're obligated to let him be satisfied by men, why doesn't it apply to women? What if he was heterosexual but could only be satisfied by 2 women? Certainly you couldn't perform something that requires 2 people. Would you let him be with 2 women at the same time?


I'd conciter it and my feeling at the time.

I love him, and to me when I love someone it carries a desire to try to arrange it so he is happy, and do whatevr I can to try to get him to be happy. Even if I suffer through some things. Hell I have seriously concitered sergery for a sex change and in the end we decided against it, half because I'm not really confortable with the idea of loosein what makes me a woman, and half because I'm scared of the thought of sergery and he realized that and said he would rather I be the way I am when I brought the issue and option up to him.

[Ciara Valentine]

if you love someone, you do whatever you can to make them happy, and so that they know you love them. If they love you, they never ask for proof. And from what i see he has never asked, so he loves you. Blatantly!

It takes a very....complicated mind to understand the workings of a "bi"...i am one and even I dont get it half the time. Also, because ive never been with someone who is bi, i dont know what its like to share that person with a guy/girl...either way i am too jealous in nature to try, as my current bf (or for those who understand, handfasted lover :)) has strayed when drunk and stoned, but although it hurt me a LOT, i got over it, coz i know he loves me and that i love him. There is no question in that...surely its the same principal?

He has a bi preference to men. Big whoop. Accept him for who he is. Im sure hes a great husband to her, and that he looks after her and the child. If he likes this guy and something happens, then something happens, as these things do. At the end of the day, as long as hes a good father and husband, does his sexual preference really matter??

[dark knight]

DKX here... once again too lazy to sign out of my wife's account to sign ino mine <.< Thankyou for you words Maya, I am happy you get it, our oppiion counts alot to me actually, just because I've seen how cool you are about these things, and th fact that you're also bi and have admited to it :p

Anceeways...it is a garuntee something will happen between me and this other guy, I've decided to give it another try, and pray I don't get hurt by this one.

[S Murder]

He has a bi preference to men. Big whoop. Accept him for who he is. Im sure hes a great husband to her, and that he looks after her and the child. If he likes this guy and something happens, then something happens, as these things do. At the end of the day, as long as hes a good father and husband, does his sexual preference really matter??
Don't change the subject. Given the hypothetical situations I proposed, it's clear that this has nothing to do with sexual preference and can be applied to anybody.

I understand that when you love someone you'll do just about anything for them, but doesn't that anything entail only being with that person? Why does she love him enough to let him be with other people, but he doesn't love her enough to only be with her? Do you think straight or gay couples don't still desire and/or have feelings for people who aren't their significant other?

[dark knight]

I understand that when you love someone you'll do just about anything for them, but doesn't that anything entail only being with that person? Why does she love him enough to let him be with other people, but he doesn't love her enough to only be with her? Do you think straight or gay couples don't still desire and/or have feelings for people who aren't their significant other?

They most likely do. I understand that... My feelings on this whole matter still haven't fully settled, you can't know exactly how your going to trully feel about something till it happens. Right now the guy in question lives far away and though is planing on visiting at some unknown future date, it's going to be a bit before I am trully faced with the senario here on my ground rather then the iternet.

Chances are when it comes to actually planing a visit, there is going to be a lot of conversations we are going to have, and I am going to have to address my feelings and assess if they are at all compadable with my logical line of thought.

[Ciara Valentine]

DKX here... once again too lazy to sign out of my wife's account to sign ino mine <.< Thankyou for you words Maya, I am happy you get it, our oppiion counts alot to me actually, just because I've seen how cool you are about these things, and th fact that you're also bi and have admited to it :p

Thats ok, i know what its like to get sh** for it, so im as open and honest as i can be, i think its great for us to have somewhere like this where we can talk so openly about it without [too much] trouble :) and i think its amazing that you have such a close relationship with your wife, and that she is [almost] comfortable enough to share you with men, i ADMIRE you both for your courage and honesty with each other. Couples these days dont usually have that in their relationship, so you must have something really special :D

Don't change the subject. Given the hypothetical situations I proposed, it's clear that this has nothing to do with sexual preference and can be applied to anybody.
I didnt change the subject i was merely stating that either way, as long as hes a good father, and husband, and does love his wife (which is blatantly obvious that he does, or he would have snuck around more than discuss it with her) then there isnt a problem. She accepts it as him being himself, which is why she loves him, because he is him. Yes it can be applied to everyone, but this particular instance involves a man and another man, so yes it does come down to sexual preference :).
I cant remember, which "way do you swing" again??

[S Murder]

I didnt change the subject i was merely stating that either way, as long as hes a good father, and husband, and does love his wife (which is blatantly obvious that he does, or he would have snuck around more than discuss it with her) then there isnt a problem. She accepts it as him being himself, which is why she loves him, because he is him. Yes it can be applied to everyone, but this particular instance involves a man and another man, so yes it does come down to sexual preference :).
I cant remember, which "way do you swing" again??
So, should all women accept that their men are pigs and allow them to sleep around, so long as they're good fathers and still pay some attention to their wives/girlfriends?
Also, it's debatable what qualifies as being a good husband, and being a good father entails setting a good example.

I haven't done much swinging in either direction, but I'm straight if that's what you wanted to know.

[Schteve]

So, should all women accept that their men are pigs and allow them to sleep around, so long as they're good fathers and still pay some attention to their wives/girlfriends?No, but those who want to accept that certainly should be able to. :tease:

[Ciara Valentine]

No, but those who want to accept that certainly should be able to. :tease:
I agree, without outsiders judgement *cough*hint*cough*. If they want to have their relationship work, then so be it. It obviously is an open and HONEST relationship, so what is there to worry about and judge.

Correct me and forgive me if i am wrong S Murder, but it appears to me that you have some issues with this subject, as so far your comments are rather negative, and misunderstanding...am i right in my observation? I apologise if i am not.

[Schteve]

Or not. He just doesn't get why him being with another man would be any different than another woman, and why she would even be okay with that in the first place. Since, you know, that's not a very common thing in the least.

[Ciara Valentine]

hmmmm but he seems to be against the idea, not very accepting of te concept what soever....maybe its just the way it sounds in MY head....but thats how it appears to me.

[dark knight]

I decided long ago that when it comes to relationships that the thought of whoever I was with cheating on me, wasn't as abhorid to me as the thought of them trying to sneak around behind my back to do so, for whatever reason, and orriginally I thought in concept of girls. Given the fact of DKX's preference and such if he was to wanna be with another girl to me it'd feel like a big blow as if..... well someone straight suddenly saying they really rather be with another guy... not for the context of straight vs gay in there, but for the total out of nowhere the situation comes from.

Chances are if faced with that sort of situation I'd be back at the thought that he might be sneaking around or hideing things from me or worse, Lieing to me.

That is why I'm not really ok with him decideing to be with another girl.

With this guy I know who it is, I know what they are doing.

I find that much better than even the possibility of not knowing anything.

[Ciara Valentine]

i hope that it all goes well and ends the way you all hope in that....endeavor.

[FDL]

I've always found it weird that girls at the age of 14-15 always go through a bisexual phase for at least a year. Is it just me, or is it more of an attention thing?

[mark HRR]

In my opinion, I think it's attention. There's the Emo phase that everyone is going through, well, they are at the school where my girlfriend is (she isn't thank god) But the majority of the "Emos" are bisexual, guys aswell. Some of them may stay Bisexual. But I still think it's attention.

[Ciara Valentine]

i can assure you that for the most part it isnt attention. Getting with someone of the same sex is nothing to be taken lightly. It can mess with your head if you arent completely ready for it. I know someone that was completely straight, who went completely the other way. She is emo, or goth or whatever you want to call her. It is a personal choice, it just happens to be that "emos" or "goths" seem to have more self freedom of expression. There are many "chavs" (in the uk thats what we call them, but i dont know what they are known as in the us) that i bet dream most nights of being with someone of the same sex, but know that they would be ridiculed and even maybe "exiled" from their "posse"....people are narrow minded, "emos" and "goths" just happen to be more open minded than most. I myself am "goth" or whatever, and i have been bi for a long long time, maybe since i was about 12 ish. So automatically,being goth and bi, does that make me looking for attention?
Any sexual endeavours should not be taken lightly, as they can cause mental or physical damage that can last a long time. I don't know anyone that has ever tried anything for attention, as after all, sexual preference is a private and personal thing, how can it be for attention? I may be being dense here but i really don't understand how you can reach that conclusion. Evidently you are both completely straight and don't really know what you are talking about.

ok, rant over, apologies if that comes across as harsh, but when people start making assumptions like that, then it just winds me up no end. Again apologies, but this is my opinion on this subject.

[Crazy Jamie]

I'd consider it more of an experimentation thing at younger ages than an attention thing. Why would it be for attention? Being attracted to members of the same sex is often cause for ridicule. Not exactly the type of attention that people would seek. But there is a difference between experimenting once or twice or more with members of the same sex and actually being bisexual. There is also a difference between pulling/making out with a member of the same sex on a drunken night out or as part of a dare and being bisexual. Both things are common at younger ages, but do not necessarily given an indication of sexuality.

[Ciara Valentine]

aaah but CJ, where would you draw the line between experimenting a couple of times with someone of the same sex and being bisexual?

Ive only been with a couple of girls, yet i know that i swing that way, so how would someone on the outside see the difference?

[Crazy Jamie]

aaah but CJ, where would you draw the line between experimenting a couple of times with someone of the same sex and being bisexual?That's something that is only known on a personal level. Though I'll elaborate below. My point was not to explain how to distinguish between the two- my aim was to point out that the distinction exists and it's not a case of either being straight or being bisexual/gay.
Ive only been with a couple of girls, yet i know that i swing that way, so how would someone on the outside see the difference?That's just my point- they can't. Whether you're bisexual or not is something that only you know for certain, just as only you know for certain whether you find someone attractive or whether you love someone. Emotions like that simply cannot be 'seen' from an outside perspective. That's why I was drawing the distinction between experimentation and an actual change in sexuality- I think previous posters were mistaking the former for the latter, and not realising that there is level in between being straight and being bisexual/gay.

On a side note, it's interesting to see you making an attempt to counter my argument when in fact I was supporting you in the first place by offering a counter to their claim that bisexuality was a form of attention :P :D

[Ciara Valentine]

i didnt say that i was opposing you CJ, but i know damn sure that if i ask the right questions, you'll give the right answer and people on the outside might understand better :P

You always seem to support what i say, i must add that i am flattered at this :)

[Crazy Jamie]

i didnt say that i was opposing you CJ, but i know damn sure that if i ask the right questions, you'll give the right answer and people on the outside might understand better :PAh touche :D

You always seem to support what i say, i must add that i am flattered at this :)
As long as you carry on saying things that I agree with, I'll carry on supporting what you say :)

[Mik3y4Fngrs]

Ummm....I'm back. I said that I'd fill those who were helping me in on what my decision was in regard to my sexual orientation because I said I may be bi but I'm wasn't sure until I experimented. Well I experimented and I am not bi....I'm straight. I can't say that what happened was enjoyable....it all felt wrong, from begninning to end (I will not give detail, but I'll just say that we did NOT go "all the way"). Afterwards I almost felt angry at myself.... like disappointed that I even questioned the possibility of being bi. This does not change my point of view on homo and bisexuals.... I'm still cool with them, I'm just simply not bi. Thought I'd let those who were involved when I questioned know the update. Any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks....

[Crazy Jamie]

Afterwards I almost felt angry at myself.... like disappointed that I even questioned the possibility of being bi. There's no need to feel like that. From what you posted in here before, you really did have some significant feelings that warranted some further investigation. You don't need to feel angry or ashamed at wanting to find out the extent of those feelings. If anything you should feel more satisfied now that you know for certain where you stand with regards to your sexuality. Because the uncertainty that you had before was certainly not doing you any good.

[Mik3y4Fngrs]

Because the uncertainty that you had before was certainly not doing you any good.

Yeah, that's true. It's probably a good thing I tried something, that way I could know what my sexuality was, but it was weird: All of a sudden I stopped and I just froze looking into space, nothing on my mind except for the continuing notion that "this doesn't feel right".....I think I scared the kid ("kid" as in 23, but he looks like an 18 yr. old)....I'm 19. He was cool about it though, he tried to relax me from looking like a deer in headlights. I have a feeling that any other person who has had as much experience as this person would have told me to get the "F" out; so I'm grateful for that.

I think this experience has helped in some way. Not only allowing me to figure out that I am indeed straight but.... I was always sort of like a "sex fiend". It's all I thought about...I've seen my fair share of adult films, I also wanted to be an adult film director because I couldn't get enough of it. But after this, after experiencing something, feeling something that I have never felt before about sex, in general, I don't feel that urge anymore to think about it much anymore. Keep in mind that it hasn't even been a day but it's how I felt last night when I got home. I guess only time will tell if it sticks, and if it does, whether it's a good or bad thing....

[Schteve]

Why would it be for attention? Being attracted to members of the same sex is often cause for ridicule.For men perhaps. But most guys find the idea of lesbians to be appealing, and thus have no problem with female homosexuality. As such, it's not unheard of for women to pretend to be bisexual just to excite guys and thus attract their attention.



All of a sudden I stopped and I just froze looking into space, nothing on my mind except for the continuing notion that "this doesn't feel right".....Actually, most guys who want to try experimenting with other men but aren't quite prepared for it freak out after the fact (though usually after ejaculation). I wouldn't suggest anyone try experimenting until he's completely comfortable with the idea (such as still thinking it would be cool to have just done something with another guy when in that post-orgasm state of mind). If you're sure you don't want to go down that path again, cool. At least you know that now. But if you ever change your mind, I'd make sure you get totally comfortable with the thought before pursuing it.

[Crazy Jamie]

For men perhaps. But most guys find the idea of lesbians to be appealing, and thus have no problem with female homosexuality. As such, it's not unheard of for women to pretend to be bisexual just to excite guys and thus attract their attention.
And the reaction of a woman being bisexual from other women? That is true what you say about girls doing that to excite guys, though I do still think there is a significant difference between two girls kissing to attract attention on a drunken night out and actually 'pretending' to be bisexual, at least in the context of this discussion. That's why I put the distinction there between experimentation or random drunken kisses and actually being bisexual. On a night out when two girls do that everyone knows that they're not actually bisexual the vast majority of the time. I think actually pretending to be bisexual to the point where you geniunely convince other people that you are outside of that drunken environment is the thing that doesn't happen because I do think that would bring ridicule, if not from guys then from other girls.

[Ciara Valentine]

it is a lot worse from girls believe me! just today i got ganged up on by 6 girls, younger than me i might add, who would come under the "chav" label in england (CJ will get what i mean) and they thought it hilarious to try and provoke a reaction by trying to touch my backside....hypocracy? i think so!
They feel like ive let their side down. It has always been the role of the woman to seduce men, whether she realises it or not, it has always been that way. That is why we are made the way that we are. But the fact that i am attracted to girls, and i can say that girls in turn are attracted to me (one in particular i might add teehee) scares them, because they think that i might be attracted to them, or even try something on them. That is what scares them, the fact that if i do, they might enjoy it, and in turn suffer the ridicule that they deal to me every day. I could tell some of the school staff, but it would do no good, as most of them are homophobic themselves. I have decided that once coursework etc is finished i won't go in, and when i am asked why i can say "because of....." and explain everything. Its the only way to get listened to at my school. But yeah, its the same with men though, if you come out as "gay" a lot of men would turn their back on you because you've "let the team down". its unfair, hypocrytical and ridiculous. But no one ever realises that its just the way things are some times :(

oh btw Mik3y4Fngrs, good for you :) im glad you found out the way you want to go :)

[Crazy Jamie]

it is a lot worse from girls believe me! just today i got ganged up on by 6 girls, younger than me i might add, who would come under the "chav" label in england (CJ will get what i mean) and they thought it hilarious to try and provoke a reaction by trying to touch my backside....hypocracy? i think so!
They feel like ive let their side down. It has always been the role of the woman to seduce men, whether she realises it or not, it has always been that way. That is why we are made the way that we are. But the fact that i am attracted to girls, and i can say that girls in turn are attracted to me (one in particular i might add teehee) scares them, because they think that i might be attracted to them, or even try something on them. That is what scares them, the fact that if i do, they might enjoy it, and in turn suffer the ridicule that they deal to me every day. I could tell some of the school staff, but it would do no good, as most of them are homophobic themselves. I have decided that once coursework etc is finished i won't go in, and when i am asked why i can say "because of....." and explain everything. Its the only way to get listened to at my school. But yeah, its the same with men though, if you come out as "gay" a lot of men would turn their back on you because you've "let the team down". its unfair, hypocrytical and ridiculous. But no one ever realises that its just the way things are some times :(
I suspecting as much. Schteve is right in what he says with regards to men reacting more positively to a bisexual female than they would to a bisexual male, but similar issues to the latter still exist for bisexual females in the form of reaction from other females.

[Schteve]

It's not nearly the same. Very few women are that opposed to homosexuality of any kind. Cole likes to go on in great detail about this.



That is true what you say about girls doing that to excite guys, though I do still think there is a significant difference between two girls kissing to attract attention on a drunken night out and actually 'pretending' to be bisexual, at least in the context of this discussion. That's why I put the distinction there between experimentation or random drunken kisses and actually being bisexual. On a night out when two girls do that everyone knows that they're not actually bisexual the vast majority of the time.You think there wouldn't be some serious doubts raised if two guys started making out after a few rounds of beer one night? :tease:

But I don't just mean random fun like that anyway. Women are more open to having threesomes with another person of the same sex, and plenty lie and pretend to be bisexual on any online dating/hangout site in order to attract guys.

[Crazy Jamie]

It's not nearly the same. Very few women are that opposed to homosexuality of any kind. Cole likes to go on in great detail about this.
By general outward appearances in terms of what you and I see being males, you're absolutely right. Girls seem much more willing to make out and experiment with other girls than guys do with other guys. You're point about females and threesomes is also true, following on from the same reasoning.

But my point is stemming from the original suggestion that girls 'pretend' to be bisexual for attention as part of a phase. That's what I don't think is true. You're right that girls make out with other girls for attention in clubs and such, but in such situations it is fairly obvious that they are not in fact bisexual and are doing it for attention. And as such they are not really pretending to be bisexual in terms of convincing people that they are fully fledged bisexual, which is what the original statement suggested. That's what I'm trying to make the distinction about. Girls either make out with other girls for attention, genuinely experiment for personal reasons, or are bisexual. Perhaps a better way of putting it is I think girls make out with other girls in front of guys for attention and not specifically to convince them that they are actually bisexual, if you get the difference. To me there is a difference there, though perhaps I'm seeing things differently.

EDIT: I've just read my post over again and I don't like the way I've worded it at all. I don't think it's clear. If you can make sense of it then great, but if not I'll make an attempt to clarify.

[Fleanix]

I think you guys are making generalizations of women based on a few that you've seen, which can be just as bad as generalizing homsexuals and bisexuals. i know plenty of girls who think kissing other girls is disgusting and say they'd never do it. on the other hand I know plenty of girls who make out to get guys' attention, so i guess we're all right.

[Crazy Jamie]

I think you guys are making generalizations of women based on a few that you've seen, which can be just as bad as generalizing homsexuals and bisexuals.
We're not saying that every girl makes out with other girls to get attention, nor are we suggesting that every girl is open to experimentation with other girls. We are saying that, in general, girls are more open to experimentation with other girls and are more likely to make out with girls to get attention than guys are in the same situations. And any amount of experience with girls will show you that that is true.

[Ciara Valentine]

women have to be more open minded and tolerant to survive in this world. We also need a sense of adventure, and the way that women are often let down by men is it any wonder that some enjoy a little female comfort? Im not really justifying anything here just sorta explaining things to make things clear. We are trained from birth to be mothers and wives, thus we have an obligation to be able to deal with anything our husbands/children do, without passing too much judgement but at the same time not being too bias. This is why we are more open minded to things, so that we stay sane!

Some girls i have to admit might indeed try and make out with another girl for attention, but those girls usually have questionable reputation anyway. Why would she be trying SO hard to get a guys attention? Surely if she likes him all she has to do is talk to him, simple as, right? Myself, just the other weekend, saw a girl that i have known for a little while to be bi, and we got stoned and made out. I am not saying getting stoned was an excuse, of course not, we've liked each other for ages, we were in a room full of guys but for the most part we didnt really notice them. We were even sitting on my bfs lap at the time, but he found it ok. Unusual digression i know, but what i am trying to say, is being drunk/stoned/whatever, isnt an excuse, as we also made out while sober! and not for attention but because we do find each other sexually attractive. And THAT is what people find hard to understand. Yes, i guy can get a hard on from a girl, but some men can from a guy too. Why cant it be the same attitude towards girls?
I think its all down to too many old fashioned upbringings, as i said, where the daughter is taught "when you grow up, you'll marry a nice man and have children, and then teach your daughter how you did it" and so its built in to women to love and seduce a man. How do you explain to your children that when they get older they might even prefer the other side of the fence?

Hmm, i think i might do psychology and sociology next year, and this will definitely be my main argumentative paper, coz i am actually impressed with my own words lol...*blush*

[modi23]

Bisexual or homosexual? it dont matter both are retards

[Ciara Valentine]

thanks for the imput mate, but as i said to a previous poster with their views similar to yours, this thread is for SUPPORTING those who are bisexual/homosexual/lesbian/curious...(it all comes under bisexuality in my opinion...to start with at least) so if you wouldn't mind keeping your opinions to yourself if they are like that then we would greatly appreciate it.

Btw im reporting your post. :)

over reacting? i think not.

and, (as an afterthought) what makes you feel that way towards us?

[Fleanix]

that's ALL you've got? seriously, i don't mind when people make fun of me for liking guys as long as you put a teeny weeny little bit of thought into it so you don't look like a complete idiot. seriously why would you even waste my time by posting something so completely brainless and ignorant?

[Schteve]

I've just read my post over again and I don't like the way I've worded it at all. I don't think it's clear. If you can make sense of it then great, but if not I'll make an attempt to clarify.I know what you're saying. I just think more do it to get noticed by guys and the like.



Bisexual or homosexual? it dont matter both are retardsTip: Read the rules before you post in a forum. You're welcome to argue why you think it's wrong, but not throw out insults like that.

[FDL]

The reason I say that it seems like more of an attention thing at that age is because a girl spends more time bragging to guys that she's bisexual and trying to be noticed with it, than she would persuing anything with another girl.

[modi23]

and, (as an afterthought) what makes you feel that way towards us?

cos god made adam and eve not adam and steve also not madam and eve.

so in your face

[FDL]

cos god made adam and eve not adam and steve also not madam and eve.

so in your face


I hardly would consider your little nursury rhymes as evidence to support your thoughts.

[Crazy Jamie]

I know what you're saying. I just think more do it to get noticed by guys and the like.
Fair enough. Difference of opinion it is.

The reason I say that it seems like more of an attention thing at that age is because a girl spends more time bragging to guys that she's bisexual and trying to be noticed with it, than she would persuing anything with another girl. Again, differing experiences. I've never seen a girl brag about being bisexual to guys.

[Ctp]

Again, differing experiences. I've never seen a girl brag about being bisexual to guys.

I have. They were all pretty slutty though, and one of them honestly thought she was a vampire so she wasn't exactly the most lucid of individuals.

Hick towns get the best crazies. :D

[Schteve]

Do you suppose girls would get turned on if you told them the same?

[Crazy Jamie]

Do you suppose girls would get turned on if you told them the same?That I was a vampire? Whatever floats their boat I suppose :D

With regards to being bisexual, I doubt it. Guys got turned on at the thought of some girl on girl action, but the same does not generally apply to girls when thinking about two guys.

They were all pretty slutty though, and one of them honestly thought she was a vampire so she wasn't exactly the most lucid of individuals.
And after the vampire confession, I suppose the bisexual confession didn't seem all that important anymore :D

[Schteve]

With regards to being bisexual, I doubt it. Guys got turned on at the thought of some girl on girl action, but the same does not generally apply to girls when thinking about two guys.Pft, I know girls who like gay porn.

[Crazy Jamie]

Though probably not as many as you know guys who like lesbian porn.

[Schteve]

While it's true I probably know more guys who like it, I know more girls that I know for sure watch gay porn than I know guys who for sure watch lesbian porn. :tease: Take that.

[Fleanix]

i don't know any girls who find man on man action hot, i wish i did though

[Schteve]

Probably 'cause most women don't like much porn at all. Maybe they're better at that thing we call "imagination."

[Ehtereon]

This one girl I knew (The first openly bi person I ever met) said she loves porn. Especially gay porn. She was very comfortable with her sexuality in a very conservative area. She was a great person to be around even if you weren't sleeping with her. Before her, thinking about a girl or guy being bi or gay was completely unnatural to me because I was raised a Christian and taught all gays and bis are evil. But after seeing how nice she was I knew that all that was garbage.

[Ciara Valentine]

i for one love guy on guy as much as i love gal on gal. Its just something that is "forbidden" in most peoples eyes.....hmmmmmmmm.....*wonders off in some distant fantasy before crashing back down to earth with a thud*...ahem, anyways lol....:blush:

hmm i guess sometimes just see what they want to believe and then its stuck in their heads forever...meh "its easy to be open minded when you are one of the things that most people dont believe in" is one of my most poplular sayings :P

oh and the vampire thing? for me thats hawt! lol..

meh short and sweet tonight, im in a tired and floaty mood. so im gonna sit on forums with a nice huge mug of hot chocolate now that ive finished my coursework, and i'm gonna be a real "geek" tonight lol.

[Dragon_Knight X]

hmm geekiness is fun... my view is that I enjoy guy on guy action even though really I only look at it nowadays just to look at cute guys, I don't really get aroused by it. It's not that it can't turn me on, it's just, I'm married, and my wife really knows how to turn me on... hmm the short and sweet of it is, I think it's probably a matter that more guys like lesbian porn than girls like gay porn, but I dunno, I could be wrong

[Ciara Valentine]

i think it's all swings and roundabouts really, it depends on the person..at the end of the day, porn is porn and its main goal is to arouse the vewer, in as many ways as possible, if you dont like what you see, simple thing to do is not watch it, if it arouses you then watch it to your hearts content!

Also, its macho thing, for girls as much as guys. The fact that a guy could get turned on by another guy and not a woman, scares certain women, and can lower their self esteem. Its been the womans role to seduce men for thousands, no MILLIONS of years, and if she cant do that, then what possible role can she have in life? ive spent the past 2 weeks doin research at school, observing people with each other, asking a few people questions, and it seems that women are scared of both gay men and gay women, because it "upsets the circle"......they want routine and tradition, yet at the same time want to be liberated. I asked one of the girls who has been bullying me why she does it. You wanna know her anser? here is the convo (roughly)
"because my friends do it, and i envy you"
"why?"
"because....you're so open about everything. You see that girl over there?" *points to a young girl not far away*..."i think shes beautiful, but if i said that to these girls here, id get what they dish out to you, its not fair."
"well, thats no reason to pick on me though is it?"
"i know and im sorry, but please, just think about it, i wont say anything any more, if they start on you then i wont, ill either walk away or say your not worth it"
*i looked confused at this point*
"i cant lose these friends, its status thing, you understand?"
*i did understand but thats not the point, either way, i knew what i needed to know*
"thanks"
"its ok, and please, dont tell the others what ive told you, please?"
*i promised that i wouldnt*

And i havent, and she has kept to her word, when theyve started on me, shes said something like "oh come on, is she RLY worth the trouble today? lets go find something else to do!"

probably slightly off topic but i thought that i would share my findings with you

[AquaScar]

"because....you're so open about everything. You see that girl over there?" *points to a young girl not far away*..."i think shes beautiful, but if i said that to these girls here, id get what they dish out to you, its not fair."

That's the main reason that most bi's and homosexuals are closeted. They're afraid of what their friends, peers, family, and whole community will think. In my personal opinion, if your friends are willing to ditch you just because of your sexuality, what kind of friends are they?

The problem with bisexuality is that, in today's society, girls are able to be more open about it. A lot of guys are insecure in their sexuality, and they're usually the ones that beat up on the bi and homosexual guys. They think we're some kind of sluts, that we'll sneak into their house and rape them for no apparent reason other than a sex drive. It's not fair to the bisexual guys that our society is more accepting of female bi's who're open while we stay closeted in fear.

i don't know any girls who find man on man action hot, i wish i did though

Actually, my ex's best friend thinks it's hot. :P Then again, both of them are bi themselves, so... yeah.

[Schteve]

In my personal opinion, if your friends are willing to ditch you just because of your sexuality, what kind of friends are they?Ugg. They can still be amazing friends. I wouldn't dare tell my roommate 'cause I know he's uncomfortable with gay people, and that would just make things weird. And his opinion of me would probably change. But I'd never say he's not a great friend and all. The idea just doesn't bode well with some people and there's nothing you can do about that.

And while we're at it, what kind of friend would you be to tell your buddies something fairly insignifcant like that which you know will make them hate you?

[Crazy Jamie]

I do agree with Schteve. The feelings of many people towards people who are bisexual/homosexual is actually institutionalised for whatever reason and they really can't help feeling that way. That doesn't make them bad people and it doesn't mean that they want to feel that way. It just means that they are involuntarily uncomfortable around homosexuals. As such they can still be very good friends without having to completely fine with your sexuality.

[Fleanix]

i have some friends who are against homosexuality, i just don't bring it up when i'm around them and we get along fine. it makes me uncomfortable when someone starts talking about gays when i'm with homophobes so I just don't say much in those situations haha.

[Ehtereon]

It all depends on where you live. My best friend told me straight up that he was bi. To be honest, I was shocked. I didn't even look at his for a few days. But then it hit me "He is the same person now as when he was before I knew he was bi." Even now that I am in college and he is still back in high school, I still talk with him when I visit. And everyone else accepts him too.

[FDL]

i have some friends who are against homosexuality, i just don't bring it up when i'm around them and we get along fine. it makes me uncomfortable when someone starts talking about gays when i'm with homophobes so I just don't say much in those situations haha.

I know how you kinda feel. I go to the gym sometimes with people I used to work with. They're 17, so maybe they're a little less matures, but still. They seem to make such a big deal about being in the locker room with naked guys all over. I don't liek guys or anyhting, but seriously, you don't need to be a little kid and scream everytime you see a guy's ass or something. I try to tell them that they make such a big deal of it being near a naked guy.

[Dragon_Knight X]

Hmm... I myself wouldn't mind so much >.> yeah I won't go into it. but yeah you're right, it's surprising really how many guys are squeamish about such things, when I was growing up, locker rooms din't make guys so edgy, so what, it's a naked guy, nothing any other guy doesn't see on a daily basis in the shower or whatnot. hell when I as growing up it was a fun thing to do to compare amongst ourselves and such, I dunno, the teens these days are just strange, I don't understand them, I don't really want to. it's not that I'm closed minded, it's just, I can't find myself having anything in common with them

[Schteve]

What's the big deal? It's just a severed limb oozing with puss! What's to get so upset over?

People find different things uncomfortable. Let them act stupid if that's what they need to do.

[Dragon_Knight X]

that... isn't a very nice way to describe it <.<

[Ciara Valentine]

i dont think Schteve meant it that way, i think the point he was trying to make is, "whats the big deal?"

[Schteve]

No, I'm saying exactly what I said in the second line.

[Ciara Valentine]

fair enough...unusual way to describe it i must amit...

[Schteve]

Guys finding the sight of other naked men uncomfortable is an unusual way to describe their being uncomfortable?

oic

[Ciara Valentine]

hmm i dont get why men find being naked around men uncomfortable, i mean, in the locker room, dont they slap each others asses and wish each other luck before a game? and how many guys compare themselves (secretly) in the same locker room?

when girls are in the same room naked together, we dont usually think much of it (or at least, most dont), we're all alike, built the same, think pretty much the same, so it's no big, so not worth the drama!

why ARE men so pre-occupied with judging themselves around other men???

[FDL]

Guys don't really do it much either. Some people of both sexes just feel a little weird I guess soemtimes.

[Schteve]

in the locker room, dont they slap each others asses and wish each other luck before a game?Only in movies.

[Ehtereon]

Well not slap each others asses but towel whipping is perfectly acceptable. I shared a community shower with 35 other guys (military), and there was no contact with hands, only towels.

[Ciara Valentine]

lol maybe it was just where i was then, i KNOW that the guys at my old school used hands, and they were the most heterosexual guys i ever met!

[Schteve]

Or so they want you to think!

[Ciara Valentine]

haha one of them was the school man whore (self confessed) and made it his personal responsabilty to sleep with all the girls (he didnt get me though lol)

but you may be right, it WAS france after all!!

[Crazy Jamie]

Normal rules that apply to the rest of the world don't apply to France.

i KNOW that the guys at my old school used hands, and they were the most heterosexual guys i ever met!There are certain groups of guys who seem to do that. They are the exception, though, and the majority do not do that. For some reason all the guys I know that do that seem to be either rugby players or rowers. Not sure if that's a pattern worth noting.

[Schteve]

I'd comment in support or opposition to that, but considering we aren't exactly too hip on either rugby or crew across the pond (well, there's a small interest in the latter), I have no way of telling just how believable Jamie is being. :tease:

[Ciara Valentine]

hmmm i guess, it does kinda have a pattern, its people with big strong arms!!!

LOL :clap: :duh: :rolleyes:





:woohoo: im really hyper coz its midsummer and ive finally found a pagan group near me and all is well :woohoo:

blessed midsummer people!!

[Schteve]

Most athletes have strong everything. Those cheaters.

[Ciara Valentine]

hahaha everything?? ;)


sounds like you'd know ?? lol

(not meaning to offend anyone with my...suggestive comments)

[Schteve]

I WAS REFERRING TO BIG MUSCLES OKAY!

Wait, I don't think that helps any.

[Ciara Valentine]

hahahahahahahaha

:lol: only in here could something like that be said ;)

i know what you meant dont worry :P

[Ciara Valentine]

hey peeps this thread has become inactive...well i have some news.

as of next week (hopefully) i will be LGB officer on the SU committee at school :D (LGB=lesbian/gay/bisexual, SU=student union)!!! not many people like the other girl running for the position so im pretty sure to get the position!

finally i can stand up for us with an official position!! :)

good news huh? :)

[Duke Nukem]

Well, that's great news. Now we just need one for straight people as well, so it won't be misinterpreted as discrimination.

[Schteve]

So, is it an officer of like an LGBT club type thingy, or are they required to have a person who fits that description in their management?

[Ciara Valentine]

erm both i think, i am bi and im running for LGBT

why would it be discrimination if LGB has one but straight people dont? Straight people dont get abuse, or anything for being straight, whereas LGB does, its like a ....ok i dont wanna say support group coz its not, but it kinda is...

CrazyJamie, can you think of a better way of explaining?

[Duke Nukem]

why would it be discrimination if LGB has one but straight people dont? Straight people dont get abuse, or anything for being straight, whereas LGB does, its like a ....ok i dont wanna say support group coz its not, but it kinda is...Okay, imagine you were to join a club, union or something simular, and you were denied access because you're bisexual.

You would feel pretty discriminated against, wouldn't you?

I'm straight, and I'd definitely feel insulted if I were denied something, entirely based on my sexual orientation.

Merge edit: and that was supposed to be similar, not simular.

[Schteve]

If you want to be treated equally then there shouldn't be positions designated for only those types of people. :tease:

[Ciara Valentine]

i can kinda see what you're saying, but we're not creating groups. Basically if any L/G/B people have any complaints, are bullied or whatever for their sexuality, stuff like that, im the person they can go to to talk to, im sort of....i wanna say "in charge" but im not...if that makes sense.....??

[Crazy Jamie]

I'm straight, and I'd definitely feel insulted if I were denied something, entirely based on my sexual orientation.
Why on earth do you instinctively feel the need to be insulted by the creation of a LGB group? What's more, why would you want to join an LGB society? Or are you just getting angry over being denied something that you don't want in the first place? People seem to be very quick nowadays to be up in arms over groups of this nature, often without thinking about what they're actually angry about or what they're protesting over.

Ask yourself, what is the purpose of a LGB group? Is it to discriminate against people that are straight? No, it is not. It is used as a forum for people who are struggling with their sexuality to discuss their problems and get help from people who have gone through similar things. As the vast majority of the population is straight, it can also help these people to form friendships and relationships with others share their sexuality. The whole message of the group is one that rejects the idea of discrimination and seeks to help those who have been victims of it. If you wanted to join to give support to people who have suffered problems due to their sexuality, I actually can't imagine that there is a LGB society in the country that would prevent you from doing so because you're straight. Given that, I'd say the existence of the group is entirely justified. Wouldn't you?

[Ciara Valentine]

hear hear

thanks CJ you're better at explaining these things than i am!

you on the SU by any chance?
xx

[Crazy Jamie]

I am not. It's never really appealed to me. And at the moment I simply don't have the time to consider anything like that.

[Ciara Valentine]

fair enough

it seems easy enough, but if i get the position ill have 2 campuses to cover...cant wait :| *gulp*

[Schteve]

So uhhhhhhh...

Where do you go to school?

[Ciara Valentine]

Plymouth UK, down in Devon

its a big school really, has as many back-to-school adults as young people!

[Klowny]

Plymouth UK, down in Devon

its a big school really, has as many back-to-school adults as young people!Who's the advocate for the back-to-school-adults' support group/psychic-trauma center?

[Schteve]

You're only a minority on gaming sites, Klown!