Snape - Friend or Foe? (splinch)

[Ctp]

I voted friend and the reason Dumbledore trusted him is he told Dumbledore what Voldemort would be going for Harry and not Neville.

[dobbystwin]

At this point in the story, nearly everything points to Snape being a fiend. But Dumbledore trusted him and I think Dumbledore knows (or knew) what he was doing.

[Crazy Jamie]

I'm thinking friend, for a number of reasons. I must admit though, if he does turn out to be a foe he will officially be one of the best villains in history, simply because Rowling has got us thinking he's a friend despite all the evidence pointing to the contrary.

[Aryll]

I voted foe, just because he killed (u know) and I'm very upset with him.

[Tokito's Girl]

I would say that he is neither friend nor foe, to me is out only for himself and is only playing up to Voldemort to stay alive.

[Inlé_rah]

I'm voting friend because if he's a foe that would be too easy.

If he does turn out to be a foe, I commend Rowling on a masterful manipulation.

[Sirithe]

I'm thinking foe. I expect him to be at least.

[Seriously Black]

I said friend, because of overall he is still good. But he still hates Harry and is a bad person.

[JohnnyRush]

Neither, because this whole thing reeks of Rowling writing herself into a corner. The character of Snape went through far too drastic a transition, in the third book you absolutely hate him because he's one of the worst, then suddenly he backtracks? Annoys the cheese out of me.

[dobbystwin]

Neither, because this whole thing reeks of Rowling writing herself into a corner. The character of Snape went through far too drastic a transition, in the third book you absolutely hate him because he's one of the worst, then suddenly he backtracks? Annoys the cheese out of me.
I don't believe JK has written herself into a corner. Snape is probably the most complex character in the whole series (aside from Dumbledore, perhaps). I always follow his storyline extra closely, looking for clues. Quite a stroke of brilliance, IMHO, to keep us in this much suspense over 6 (soon to be 7) novels.

This is a bit off topic, but while I'm opposed to a Harry Potter sequel of any sort, I think a prequel from JK might be interesting. The Marauder years, in particular. A young James, Sirius, Remus, Peter, Lily, and yes, Severus. I've always wanted to learn more about all of those characters.

[Aryll]

A young James, Sirius, Remus, Peter, Lily, and yes, Severus. I've always wanted to learn more about all of those characters.

Actually, ya. From the stories J.K. tells they had pretty exciting and hilarious chilhoods.

[Mankind.]

Friend for many unexplianed reasons. Remember what dumbledore siad to snape at the end fo 6. Severus, severus plz. I find it couls be taken 2 ways.

[AgntPudding]

I'm saying he's a foe. He killed Dumbledore and that does make him an enemy. But who knows, he might end up saving the day.

[CoV_Freak]

I said friend, he had to kill Dumbledore, because there were Death Eaters all around him, so he had no choice. If he didn't, they would both be dead...

[mimi]

HE IS TOTALLY FOE, IN BOOK 3 HE MADE THE UNBREAKABLE VOW TO DRACO'S MOM THAT IF DRACO DIDN'T KILL HIM, HE WOULD. AND, HE MAY HAVE TOLD DUMBLDOR SOME STUFF BUT HE TOLD THE DARK LORD MORE!

DO ANY OF YOU HAVE HP 3 FOR GC?

[Ctp]

Pretty sure that was book six not three. ;) Also If you read that again you'll see he dind't entirely know what he was promising he would do, you'll also see that he tried to stay down in the dungeons when the death eaters were there. The only reason he went to join the fight is because Flitwick came down and made him aware of it. He wanted to not notice it was going on.

[dobbystwin]

The only reason he went to join the fight is because Flitwick came down and made him aware of it. He wanted to not notice it was going on.
I was always curious about that part. Was Flitwick just another innocent victim of Snape's, or did the two of them also have an "arrangement" of some sort?

[shortkut]

as far as flitwick was concerned, snape was dumbledore's man. if death eater's entered the school, then everyone on dumbledore's side would be needed to fight them.

[Angel]

I voted Foe, but I have a feeling he'll be an ally. But I really love the sticker that Borders gave me.

SNAPE
is a very
bad man

That's so cool!

[D-Generation-X]

I voted friend:

I just don't see him being a bad guy, I mean, Dumbledore may be too nice at some times, but if he trusted the guy that sold Harry's parents out to Voldemort, then he had to have a damn good reason for doing it.

[DynoMite]

I voted friend. Its been awhile since I read book six, but if I recall correctly I thought that Dumbledore probably told Snape to do whatever was necessary to keep Voldemort thinking that Snape was on Voldemort's side, even if that meant killing Dumbledore.

[SuperSimon]

i voted foe but i have to agree with you dynomite dumbledore wanted to keep him as an inside man but now that im thinking about it why doesnt anyone in the order know that he did what he had to do they would have told harry that dumbledore knew he was going to be killed by snape cuz he was there right?

[Vault]

This is just an idea.But I think that Snape is even more powerful than Voldemort.And he's just never shown it.

I think that Snape may be the one to kill Voldemort.And then Harry kill Snape or somethin' like that.

Or maybe,jus MAYBE.(This will NEVER) happen.But it would be funny if a whole Darth Vade/Luke thing occured and Voldemort was Harry's father and his mom was still alive or sumthin'.Voldemort could tell him right before he died.That would be Carlito Cool!

[SuperSimon]

Bloo you had the same idea that i had look at the cover art thread i explained good reasons why

[Vault]

Bloo you had the same idea that i had look at the cover art thread i explained good reasons why


Wever.:words:

You want reasons?Here's your reasons!

Snape seems to be a double agent.OH WAIT!He IS a double agent!
Snape MAY want to backstab MoldeyWort,I mean Voldemort!
You know a whole "I WANT ALL THE F:censor: 'N POWER!!!" seanarios.

Az for my second idea I think I explained enough.

[SuperSimon]

god harsh i was just sayin that we had the same idea and i told you where you could see my point of view on it
ps ur Reasons arent that great i gave better details in the other thread in my opinion

[Ctp]

I voted friend. Its been awhile since I read book six, but if I recall correctly I thought that Dumbledore probably told Snape to do whatever was necessary to keep Voldemort thinking that Snape was on Voldemort's side, even if that meant killing Dumbledore.

I think Snape told Dumbledore about the unbreakable oath (vow?) thing. That would also help to explain why Dumbledore was chatting up Draco on the roof so much. He was trying to see if Draco was assigned to kill him or to kill Harry. When Dumbledore found out it was him who was going to die he had Snape kill him to stop Snape from dying due to breaking the oath.

This leads into Snape playing an integral role of the downfall of Voldemort in book 7 too, or just Dumbledore valuing someone else's life over his own. Either way I think there was an underlying meaning in "Please Severus." along the lines of 'Please Severus it's either me or you and you're more importnat than me.'

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[Tokito's Girl]

JK was never clear on exactly why DD was chatting up Draco on the roof top. Form what DD said that night he already knew that Draco was assigned to kill him and not Harry. But I do think that Snape kill ed DD for two reasons, 1) he had to kill DD or he would die himself and 2) he did come to hate DD after a time.

[dobbystwin]

I have no doubt Snape hated Dumbledore. And Harry. And Voldemort, Wormtail, the Malfoys, etc., etc. I believe Snape will be a friend in the end, but he will never be good (if that makes any sense at all...).

[SuperSimon]

it does make sense harry will learn he is good after voldys :dead: then snape will make some remark saying he was always on harrys side even though he didnt like it

[Vault]

it does make sense harry will learn he is good after voldys :dead: then snape will make some remark saying he was always on harrys side even though he didnt like it


This could happen.But I'm not sure.

I still think Snape is more powerful that even Voldemort.That's why they (Voldemort and HP)APPEAR to be helping each other on the cover.


:shrug:


I thiiiiink.That the people who are gonna' die will be the mixture of:

Voldemort and Snape
Voldemort and Harry Potter

or Voldemort and Ron or Hermione (Sorry if I spellt that wrong,been a while since I read a HP Book)

[SuperSimon]

no harry ron and hermionie (sp?) will not die. in a press conference or sumtin jk rowling was asked if she could go out to lunch with 5 charactors who would she pick. she answered harry ron hermionie then she stumbled and said "see i know who is already dead and im not sure if there allowed to come" or sumtin like that

[shortkut]

no harry ron and hermionie (sp?) will not die. in a press conference or sumtin jk rowling was asked if she could go out to lunch with 5 charactors who would she pick. she answered harry ron hermionie then she stumbled and said "see i know who is already dead and im not sure if there allowed to come" or sumtin like that
that could be a slip or it could include dumbledore and sirius who are already dead at this point.

[SuperSimon]

no it couldnt be serious or dumbledore we already know their dead and she said that she knew who was dead

kind of hard to follow what i mean but im sure ull manage

[Tokito's Girl]

that could be a slip or it could include dumbledore and sirius who are already dead at this point.

JK never actually came right out and confirmed Sirius's death. The only reason we know, for sure, that DD is dead is b/c harry saw the green sparks that hit him. When Sirius was knocked through the veil at the MOM the sparks were red not green.

[SuperSimon]

ya but dumbledore im sure would have known if sirius could have survived and the sparks were from the spells. red from stupefy which pushed sirius into the curtain green from avada kadavra(sp?) which is a killing curse

there is a chance he could be alive but im pretty sure he isint

[Surfr]

Snape is a friend, if he were a foe, then I think Harry Potter would be perfect for a sitcom.

Announcer: This week on Hogwarts High, Snape is up to his old tricks again.
Snape: "I'll destroy you Harry Potter if it's the last thing I do!"
Harry: "Go ahead Snape, or should I say Snakepants!"
Audience: laugh track
Dumbledore: "Haarrrrryyyy!!!! What are you doing?"
Harry: "Nothing, professor"
Audience: Awwwww
Snape sticks his tongue out at Harry from behind Dumbledore's back. Dumbledore turns around and Snape quickly resumes sullen scowl.
Audience: laugh track

Err... something like that.

[Thanatos]

The seventh book is the last book. JKR has said she is not planning on writing any more. As far as a new series goes, I'm not sure, but there is only one way to end a great book. The hero will die for the good of the world. I think Snape, friend or foe, will have very little to do with this. He is a pawn of Voldemort, whether he knows it or not. Harry will kill Voldemort, but in doing so, he must also die. Remember that the identity of the remaining Horcruxes are not certain. Could it be possible that Harry will be the last remaining Horcrux? It is obvious that he has a mental and physical connection with Voldemort.

[dobbystwin]

Snape is a friend, if he were a foe, then I think Harry Potter would be perfect for a sitcom.

Announcer: This week on Hogwarts High, Snape is up to his old tricks again.
Snape: "I'll destroy you Harry Potter if it's the last thing I do!"
Harry: "Go ahead Snape, or should I say Snakepants!"
Audience: laugh track
Dumbledore: "Haarrrrryyyy!!!! What are you doing?"
Harry: "Nothing, professor"
Audience: Awwwww
Snape sticks his tongue out at Harry from behind Dumbledore's back. Dumbledore turns around and Snape quickly resumes sullen scowl.
Audience: laugh track

Err... something like that.
I was going to laugh at this, but then it occurred to me that somewhere in Hollywood, in some darkened office or perhaps over coctail shrimps at Schwab's, somebody is probably pitching that very concept.

[Tokito's Girl]

I was going to laugh at this, but then it occurred to me that somewhere in Hollywood, in some darkened office or perhaps over coctail shrimps at Schwab's, somebody is probably pitching that very concept.

Even though you are probably right, I laughed at it anyway. On a different note, I think that somebody else might finish Voldy off. Remember Wormtail still owes Harry for not giving him over to the Dementors back in his third year. Snape detested DD and Wormtail also detests Voldemort as well.

[CoV_Freak]

Remember that the identity of the remaining Horcruxes are not certain. Could it be possible that Harry will be the last remaining Horcrux? It is obvious that he has a mental and physical connection with Voldemort.
No Harry cant be the last horcrux... Harry has the mental connection with Voldemort, because his plan backfired. It gave Harry some of his powers, along with a connection - He was going to use Harry's death to be the remaining Horcrux -Dumbledore says it in OOTP, I think... Besides, Harry would have to kill himself if he wished to kill Voldemort (Kill himself first then Voldemort)

[dobbystwin]

Voldemort's been trying pretty hard to kill Harry (GoF, OotP), something he wouldn't do if Harry was one of his horcruxes.

For a long time I had it in my head that it had to be Harry that killed Voldemort, in keeping with the prophesy. But after rereading, I don't think the prophesy says that exactly. Only that one has to die for the other to survive. So it could possibly be Wormtail, Snape, a Malfoy, or Neville.



Ok ..... not Neville. LOL

[SuperSimon]

neville wont be the one to kill him but i believe he will come back to be a teacher jk rowling said that the new teacher will be a former student but not the one we expected and whos the last person we'd expect

[Inlé_rah]

neville wont be the one to kill him but i believe he will come back to be a teacher jk rowling said that the new teacher will be a former student but not the one we expected and whos the last person we'd expect
Actually Neville is the first person who I'd expect to come back as a teacher - herbology to be exact. He's brilliant in one speciallzed area but is rather bumbling in many others. I think he'd make a good academic. :D

[dobbystwin]

The last one that I would expect to come back as a teacher is either Fred or George Weasley. Those would be some awsome classes, though, if they did come back. Definitely "hands on" learning!

[SuperSimon]

that would be cool. they could have a class like "fun with magic" or "how to piss off filch 101"

[Vault]

I don't think this book will have much to do with classes.

[Inlé_rah]

I don't think this book will have much to do with classes.
Which is a shame, because the whole 'school days' thing is probably what sets Harry Potter apart from all the fantasy that I don't read. I'll miss the professors if they aren't in it.

Er...Snape's no longer a professor.

[Ctp]

neville wont be the one to kill him but i believe he will come back to be a teacher jk rowling said that the new teacher will be a former student but not the one we expected and whos the last person we'd expect

Harry for DADA professor '07!

[dobbystwin]

Er...Snape's no longer a professor.
Yeah, I would imagine killing the headmaster is grounds for breach of contract. :D

So at this moment Snape is in Voldemort's camp. Enough death eaters, etc., have been grumbling about Snape so that even if Voldemort himself doesn't question Snape's loyalty, he must certainly be aware that others do. If Snape is loyal to Dumbledore (which I believe he is), and he's discovered, can you imagine what Voldemort would do to him? I'm pretty sure Snape would be made an example of, and it wouldn't be pretty.

Not that this scenario will actually play out in DH, but it could.

[RickAL]

the only interesting thought that made me vote friend was the fact that, at the end of HBP, even after killing the greatest wizard who ever lived (Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore) he was talking to Harry like a teacher... not like an enemy...
telling him to learn to close his mind and his mouth and the like... it sounded like taunts to the death eaters and to voldemort if he was scrying on the area but it just seemed too much like education... I also think Draco and Narcissa will both come over to the Order before it's all over...
just my input.

[CooperFan101]

Nah. Snape was obviously a Death Eater. Look at the clues:
He told Luna and Hermione to move, using his wand from the Great Hall.
He told Draco what to do, and obviously got order's form Voldemort.
He created the illegal curse 'Sectumsempra'.
The Death Eater's would still have killed Dumbledore if Death Eater's weren't around, because he tells Draco to hurry up.

[realillusion]

I posted about this after the last book and wish I had saved the content of that post to make life easy :p

Snape is a pretty ordinary guy, that doesn't have aspirations for great good or evil. He has been hurt by the role models for "good" and has frequently taken the path of least resistance, which is often "evil," and why not?--it takes great strength, courage, heroism to do the right thing sometimes, especially in light of the treatment Snape has received, and most people just aren't heroes.

We know that Harry's love/friendships/relationships are an important defining characteristic, and he will probably have to forgive or come to trust Snape in the last book.

[Tiki]

i think that snape did.."it"...because Dumbledore didn't want Draco to do such a thing that early in his life. In other words, a double Agent

[dobbystwin]

Nah. Snape was obviously a Death Eater. Look at the clues:
He told Luna and Hermione to move, using his wand from the Great Hall.
He told Draco what to do, and obviously got order's form Voldemort.
He created the illegal curse 'Sectumsempra'.
The Death Eater's would still have killed Dumbledore if Death Eater's weren't around, because he tells Draco to hurry up.
Snape's carrying a lot of baggage, there's no doubt about that. He was a death eater, as we know, and Harry wasn't the only one to question his allegiance to Dumbledore. Sirius Black never said it outright, but I think he had his suspicions too.

He created the Sectumsempra curse when he was still in school.

One thing's for sure: whichever side Snape is on, he will never be a nice or likeable guy. But if he is loyal to Dumbledore then he has made a sacrifice over and above the definition of 'good'. If he is loyal, his loyalty has made him hated by the the very people he's trying to help.

[Marty!]

I heard she was going to write on the lives of Harry's parents at Hogwartz

Also Wormtail does owe Harry his life...

[dobbystwin]

I heard she was going to write on the lives of Harry's parents at Hogwartz
I hope that's true. I think a prequel to Harry Potter (only if it's done by JK!) would a great book or series. As we looked back on Riddle's life in HBP, I thought of how interesting it would be to do the same with the Marauders, especially after the glimpse we got of them and Snape in OotP.

[bunny8646]

Snape is a FOE. He is always trying to get Harry expelled from school. In book 6 he is the one who kills Dumbledoor and runs back to Voldemort to be his loyal supporter again. He even tells one of the escaped death eaters at the beginning of the book that he was only at Hogwarts under Voldemorts orders to spy on the head master and on Harry when he got to school. I believe that he was never loyal to Dumbledoor, he only said he was to keep his job until the time was right. Afler all he was in slytherin when he went to school and he is head of slytherin now that he is a teacher.

[dobbystwin]

In less than two months, all things will be known.

[The Crowing]

Snape is a FOE. He is always trying to get Harry expelled from school. In book 6 he is the one who kills Dumbledoor and runs back to Voldemort to be his loyal supporter again. He even tells one of the escaped death eaters at the beginning of the book that he was only at Hogwarts under Voldemorts orders to spy on the head master and on Harry when he got to school. I believe that he was never loyal to Dumbledoor, he only said he was to keep his job until the time was right. Afler all he was in slytherin when he went to school and he is head of slytherin now that he is a teacher.
And that means what? So he's a head of a supposedly evil house. Big whoop, doesn't mean he can't be loyal to Dumbly

[dobbystwin]

You have to give Snape credit for one thing...he is smooth! All this time he has been pulling the wool over somebody's eyes, either Voldemort or Dumbledore; and whichever one he has been fooling, Snape has pulled off an incredible feat to get it done, since we know that neither one is easily fooled.

[Dr. Manhattan]

I would say foe because killing Dumbeldore is something that can only gain favor in Voldemorts eyes...But then he could help Harry kill Voldemort, and Dumbeldore could have known that so I have come to the conclusion that ...J.K. Rowling is an amazing writer and I really can't predict what is going to happen.

[Jaden the Jedi]

a while back last year, i was looking through this area of the forum and i found a link to a site that had some pretty hard theories, i can remenmber that the site was named along the lines of DUMBLEDORES NOT DEAD!!

crapped up with like three popups at once, as i was saying, if you google my phrase on dumbledore, you will likley find that similar site and get some new theories concerning snape, dumbledore, and other love affiars, and plot twists, like RWB at the last few chapters at the end

[Inlé_rah]

Yeah. I know of that site, but it's just like what happened after Sirius died in book 5. Well-rationalized denial. And Rowling has come out and said that Dumbledore is indeed dead.

[Vansh don]

I think he is a friend . look there are several reasons--
* he was trusted by dumdbledore.
* he is a very good occulumence so I think he fooled voldemoth and killed dumb just to prove that he is with him.
* he may be RAB. and the purpose of that locket was just to remind that why dumb trusted him.

[dobbystwin]

* he may be RAB. and the purpose of that locket was just to remind that why dumb trusted him.
Snape may be RAB? How do you figure?

[tteckorb]

ya but dumbledore im sure would have known if sirius could have survived and the sparks were from the spells. red from stupefy which pushed sirius into the curtain green from avada kadavra(sp?) which is a killing curse

there is a chance he could be alive but im pretty sure he isint
he can't really be alive though because harry tried to contact him using the device sirius gave to him in the fifth book and there was no response

[Conway]

he can't really be alive though because harry tried to contact him using the device sirius gave to him in the fifth book and there was no response
Thats if Sirius had the other part of the device, I really do think Sirius will come back in the middle of the book to save Harry from Voldemort. I also believe that Dumbledore will come back and with Sirius, double team Voldemort while Harry passes out.

[Ctp]

Thats if Sirius had the other part of the device, I really do think Sirius will come back in the middle of the book to save Harry from Voldemort. I also believe that Dumbledore will come back and with Sirius, double team Voldemort while Harry passes out.

That would be pretty disappointing.

Also the "Device" was just a 2 way mirror. Think of a walkie talkie with video.

[Conway]

Maybe Sirius couldn't get the mirror. Its possible that he was moved and couldn't take his belongings. As you said its like a walkie-talkie. So if you person is waiting for the answer the other can be 20 miles away.

[Ctp]

No... He's pretty much as dead as you can get. Rowling put far too much time into telling us he's dead for him to come back alive.

[User]

I'm torn, as I just posted elsewhere, I had a couple of crazy theories. One, Snape being the real dark lord and behind everything, and another him turning out to be harry's father. Everyone always says harry looks like his dad, but his mum's eyes. Why's there such a point made of it, messy hair is hardly a heritable charateristic either(well, sort of i guess, i blame my dad for my hair lol).
Then again, Dumbledore trusted him so much, and he wasn't a fool. Then again, he admitted himself that he was foolish, he forgot his age, who's to say Snape didn't get the better of him? Is Dumbledore really dead? I had another theory recently after rereading book 1, the philosopher's stone is said to make one immortal. Even against death curses? I mean, the only word we have that it was destroyed is Dumbledore's.

JK never actually came right out and confirmed Sirius's death. The only reason we know, for sure, that DD is dead is b/c harry saw the green sparks that hit him. When Sirius was knocked through the veil at the MOM the sparks were red not green.
I noted that too, he only fell through the veil. However, the voices of the dead were coming from that veil, and apparently JK said Sirius had to die for a reason. Apparently the mirror he had is gonna be important too, but I can't see how.
On topic though, for now, I'm gonna be optimistic and say that Snape is friend, by which, I mean aiding Harry's cause. I think he also shouted harry advice in the form of taunts at the end of HBP.

[ghost_666]

I'm saying foe because you will never get the truth out of him even if you use legemency on him

[RickAL]

There is so much speculation on this subject floating around this close to the end... my theory is that Snape is a friend (due to the fact that he was still teaching Harry even as he and Malfoy were fleeing, encouraging him to close his mouth and close his mind or he'll "never defeat the dark lord") and will die a martyr sacrificing himself to assist Harry finish Voldemort...

[modi25]

maybe snape is a foe but as rickal said, he will sacrifice himself BUT will only do it because he still, deep down inside, cares for harry or remembers that he still owes james because he saved his life.

[dobbystwin]

Maybe Snape and Bellatrix will hook up. He strikes me as somebody who enjoys a little self-crucio now and then. :omg:

[Inlé_rah]

Maybe Snape and Bellatrix will hook up. He strikes me as somebody who enjoys a little self-crucio now and then. :omg:
I don't think Rodolphus would take that sitting down. :chuckle:

[LIVE WITH IT]

I voted foe. If he was a friend killing Dumbeldore would be the stupidest thing to do (... I guess there was lots of Death eaters surrounding him though...) and that unbreakable vow thing... why did he agree to that? He didn't have to did he?? I mean, I don't think anyone, even a Death Eater, would blame him for not wanting to kill a wizard that is way more powerful than he... And how on earth did anyone expect Draco to succeed at that? Voldemort sure didn't. He expected him to die trying. By agreeing to do the unbreakable vow he agreed, at the very beginning of the book, to kill Dumbledore.

[RickAL]

I voted foe. If he was a friend killing Dumbeldore would be the stupidest thing to do (... I guess there was lots of Death eaters surrounding him though...) and that unbreakable vow thing... why did he agree to that? He didn't have to did he?? I mean, I don't think anyone, even a Death Eater, would blame him for not wanting to kill a wizard that is way more powerful than he... And how on earth did anyone expect Draco to succeed at that? Voldemort sure didn't. He expected him to die trying. By agreeing to do the unbreakable vow he agreed, at the very beginning of the book, to kill Dumbledore.
yes but there's always the consideration that dumbledore's death was inevitable, how else was he weak enough to lose a hand, and that it needed to occur under controlled circumstances... why else have Snape do it?

[dobbystwin]

The fact that he was able to kill Dumbledore at all suggests to me that it was done by design. Maybe I'm giving Dumbledore too much credit, but I honestly believe that neither Draco nor Snape could have killed him unless he allowed it.

[Inlé_rah]

Well... remember that Dumbledore lost his wand because he immobilized Harry at the top of the Astronomy Tower. Had he not chosen to do that, Draco would have never been able to disarm him.

I have trouble believing it was design because Snape only showed up because he was alerted to the intruders by Flitwick. Dumbledore also would have had to known it was a trap when he first saw the mark rather than after he and Harry had already landed and heard Malfoy on the stairs.

I however, think that Snape did know that Harry was up there. Malfoy was too preoccupied to long question the 2nd broom and the other three Death Eaters were thuggish rather than bright. But Snape surveyed the scene when he arrived. I don't think he would have missed that detail. Snape is also a gifted enough legilimens that Dumbledore would have been able to communicate with him had he wanted. *shrug*

[Vermillion]

I say friend. Snape's no idiot and would have noticed that there were two broomsticks up on that tower. He also knows about Harry's invisibility cloak so he would have know that Harry was up there under it. When Dumblodore was pleading with Sanpe, I think he was begging Snape not to kill Harry. After he killed Dumbledore he ushered the other Death Eaters out of the tower quickly. I think it was so they didn't see the brooms. That's what i think anyway.

[dobbystwin]

Snape is also a gifted enough legilimens that Dumbledore would have been able to communicate with him had he wanted. *shrug*
You're right... I hadn't thought of that.

[User]

Man, reading through the books again I'm leaning more towards foe! It's very cleverly done, there's bits in goblet of fire that can make sense if he doesn't know who moody really is, or a little more if he does actually know who moody is! I'm wondering what Dumbledore was pleading with him to do, when he killed him, I don't think he was pleading for him not to kill him, but to do something else, probably to help Harry.

[dobbystwin]

Good question. Dumbledore would never plead for his own life, I'm certain of that.

[Nicholas]

So in the end, it might be true: Snape might sacrifice himself for Harry, or Harry will just upright kill Snape.

next time you post something you think is a spoiler (as you made obvious by "it might be true:" put it in spoilers or you might wind up with a forum block

[Ctp]

Speculatoin isn't a spoiler. It wouldn't hurt to do that if people wanted to though.

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For a long time I had it in my head that it had to be Harry that killed Voldemort, in keeping with the prophesy. But after rereading, I don't think the prophesy says that exactly. Only that one has to die for the other to survive. So it could possibly be Wormtail, Snape, a Malfoy, or Neville.
Do you rememebr what DD said?

About the prophecy only being true because Voldemort acted on it?


So neither really has to die, they could ignore it and get on with there lives. The only reason Harry wants to kill him now isnt because of the prophacy, but because he killed his aprents and did/does alot of other evil things.

[The Professional]

If I had to guess, my money is on him being a friend. Basically just for one more twist in the storyline.

[Nicholas]

You mean like a Darth Vader thing? :D

[Ctp]

Do you rememebr what DD said?

About the prophecy only being true because Voldemort acted on it?


So neither really has to die, they could ignore it and get on with there lives. The only reason Harry wants to kill him now isnt because of the prophacy, but because he killed his aprents and did/does alot of other evil things.

And Harry would still want to stop him from doing those other evil things.

[RickAL]

I say friend. Snape's no idiot and would have noticed that there were two broomsticks up on that tower. He also knows about Harry's invisibility cloak so he would have know that Harry was up there under it. When Dumblodore was pleading with Sanpe, I think he was begging Snape not to kill Harry. After he killed Dumbledore he ushered the other Death Eaters out of the tower quickly. I think it was so they didn't see the brooms. That's what i think anyway.


I had never considered that theory at all... but still if you follow the prophesy NOBODY but VOLDEMORT CAN kill Harry, right?
again, pure speculation, but I believe Snape will play the martyr in book 7 and reveal himself a friend... a total a$$hole but a friend lol.

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but still if you follow the prophesy NOBODY but VOLDEMORT CAN kill Harry, right?
Wrong.

"Neither can live while the other survives"

Doesnt say nobody else can make the other person not survive. Also thats what I said Ctp, that even without the prophesy he'd want to stop him. He already wanted to before he heard it.

[Surfr]

Whenever I think about the Snape Good/Evil debate I kind of get worried. It seems to me that it's a Catch 22 situation. If Snape turns out to be evil, then it's a let down--everyone is dissapointed by the somewhat anticlimactic endgame. If Snape turns out to be good though, it seems as though it would have to be a VERY convincing and surprising explanation--all signs point to "Evil" with out without his murder of Dumbledore. I feel as if the final resolution is anything but completely earthshattering, Book 7 will be dissapointing.

Maybe I'm being a bit dramatic, though.

[Hitsugaya Toushirou]

I said friend, he had to kill Dumbledore, because there were Death Eaters all around him, so he had no choice. If he didn't, they would both be dead...

I also say friend, however i believe he had to kill Dumbledore due to the unbreakable vow he made early on in the book with Narcissa. (The Part saying that he would carry out the plan of Draco if it would seem he would fail.)

[LIVE WITH IT]

I also say friend, however i believe he had to kill Dumbledore due to the unbreakable vow he made early on in the book with Narcissa. (The Part saying that he would carry out the plan of Draco if it would seem he would fail.)
Wouldn't making the unbreakable vow make him a foe then? I mean, as I stated in a previous post, he had a choice didn't he? No one thought Draco would actually succeed at killing Dumbledore. Who would blame Snape for not wanting to take on the most powerful wizard alive?

[shortkut]

Wouldn't making the unbreakable vow make him a foe then? I mean, as I stated in a previous post, he had a choice didn't he? No one thought Draco would actually succeed at killing Dumbledore. Who would blame Snape for not wanting to take on the most powerful wizard alive?
i don't remember if it was made clear that snape knew what it was when he made the vow. if you remember he was trying to find out what malfoy was up to for the longest time. if he knew, i doubt he would have been that interested in finding out.

[Ctp]

It was said he narrowed it down to 2 things, killing Harry and killing Dumbledore.