TNA Wrestling Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Northern Lights]

Use this thread to discuss everything about Total Nonstop Action Wrestling: the PPVs, iMPACT!, and of course your favorite Knockouts. This thread contains spoilers.

Please use spoiler tags for events that have yet to air.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

The issue that I have with the fans of the Impact Zone is that they are not really fans. If so, then where is the Crucial Crew? The crowd is almost screened unless they're random ass tourists from around Universal. I think that is made apparent by the fewer and fewer posters being displayed around the IZ. A lot of the homegrown fans in this area have literally walked away from TNA. I frequent both SAW and NWA Top Rope (both in Nashville area) which are full of people that stopped watching TNA January 4th. It's sad to me to know that so many have given up hope on something that they have been so vigilant about for over 8 years. However, that blame is not to placed on those vigilant fans. They still attend their local, "hole-in-the-wall" federation continuously, but go home and turn on the TV to feel betrayed. Some people want to call it growth or evolution, but this seems like more of a turn coat.

[Dean]

Desmond and Chelsea remind me of Jason Statham and Amy Smart from Crank, lol.

That was a good promo from Wolfe, one of his best since the feud with "Mr. Mangled" ended.

[Double }{]

F*cking TNA.

First, you give me "Abyss-a-mania," and I swear you right the hell off, I do.

Then, Nigel cuts that beautiful "I say 'bollocks' to that and kick that door right in" promo, and you yank me right back in.

Why you gotta do me like this, TNA?


EDIT: I totally just said the same thing about the Nigel/Statham thing to Rob too Dean omg like WHOA.

[Dean]

Anderson/Angle, one of the few good feuds in TNA right now.

Okay, no joke... That Hogan/Abyss promo may have been the worst promo I have ever witnessed. I'm not even kidding.

It felt like it was 10 minutes long, they just rambled on, it felt unintentionally comedic and insincere, and then they end it with a hug and say "I love you". It was just... mind-blowingly awful.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

I loved how they made a dynamite four way tag match, just to sh*t all over MCMG and GenME. Enough of giving and taking from Beer Money, they're less that two years old and are already three time champions?

Of course, I enjoyed the development with Rob Terry myself.

Most people will disregard me considering I ripped Beer Money and gave props to Rob Terry, but I just want something new that is not Hogan-esque.

[Double }{]

Didn't Abyss once basically just roll around in a giant pile of tacks and barbed wire?

Why, then, does a single shot to the back from a "barbed wire bat" (which, btw, Flair just let rest against his hand ever so gently...the sharp part...yeah) put him down like a shotgun blast?

[KyleKyle Bensen]

They're going for this whole thing where that bat is his kryptonite or some bullsh*t.

EDIT: WHAT THE EFF IS BUBBA DOING ON MY SCREEN!? What channel is WWE on again?

[General Tso]

TNA is a f*cking joke. That's all I'm gonna say.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

I am watching this about 30 min behind everyone else because DVR is awesome like that, but I think that what I just saw between Hogan and Abyss had more homosexuality oozing from it than anything Orland Jordan has ever dreamed. "We are one" "The blood in my body is the same that courses through your body" "I knew you were watching me, that's why I did it!" Good god, me and my girl are no where near that affectionate during sex let alone a shoulder bump in a hallway. WTF

EDIT: I feel the need to point out that Nicole said that during the show... not me. I simply stole it and ran with it :D

[Insane man]

Anderson/Angle, one of the few good feuds in TNA right now.

Okay, no joke... That Hogan/Abyss promo may have been the worst promo I have ever witnessed. I'm not even kidding.

It felt like it was 10 minutes long, they just rambled on, it felt unintentionally comedic and insincere, and then they end it with a hug and say "I love you". It was just... mind-blowingly awful.

I seriously changed the channel at the point until that was over. Remember how bad ass Abyss used to be? Now he is a freaking joke. Is it his job to be booked in some of the worst feuds in TNA. He is like Kane with all the awful story lines they give him. Rob terry beats the X division champion in less than 2 minutes. The whole show is pretty much a train wreck. Do we need so many Mick Foley and Jeff Jarrett segments? Tomko looked out of shpae and fat.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Didn't Abyss once basically just roll around in a giant pile of tacks and barbed wire?

Why, then, does a single shot to the back from a "barbed wire bat" (which, btw, Flair just let rest against his hand ever so gently...the sharp part...yeah) put him down like a shotgun blast?

They're going for this whole thing where that bat is his kryptonite or some bullsh*t.

Yeah, that would be my 1st thought after thinking that Flair just isnt paying attentiong...so I suppose thats my second thought. But yeah DH, I saw that very same thing and was thinking that Flair's hand shouldnt had been there. But then again, I also though that Wolfe or Styles should of pulled Flair out of the ring.

I loved how they made a dynamite four way tag match, just to sh*t all over MCMG and GenME. Enough of giving and taking from Beer Money, they're less that two years old and are already three time champions?

I am a big fan of tag team wrestling so to me that match did a lot of things all in one match. For me maybe not for you or anyone else but it did this:

- GenMe and MMG basically did all the work but no way they were going to win. Plus MMG showed they were upset so that should show up in a future TNA storyline.

- Hern/Morgan are slowly breaking apart this is a road to that and its perfectly fine.

- Beer Money with the quick win proves craftyness. You know its not about long matches or whatever its about being creative and "stealing" a win or simply outwitting the other teams they got the win.

And to me combine Team Canada with AMW it just seems like Beer Money has been a tagteam since day one obviously not together but its all we ever seen them as so its how we know them.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Good enough points made on the tag match, but it was really short and the MCMG and GenME could have made the show a lot better had they been given a chance. I just hope that MCMG being pissed was part of the show and not the first step of them shwoing aggravation to being shafted.

[Whale Biologist]

I'm pissed that The Guns aren't treated better, but that was happening long before Hogan and EB got here so I don't blame those two for that. Putting the tag titles on Morgan and Hernandez in the first place is doing nothing but ****ting on the tag team titles anyway, and it's a really WWE thing to do. All we have to do is mash their names together. Does Morgandez or Hernagan sound better?

Angle/Anderson and AJ Styles with Flair are the bright spots in TNA right now, and the Mick Foley Etiquette School Segments were very funny. I also hope that the Eric Bischoff and Jarrett thing leads somewhere, because if it does that would make a lot of sense.

BTW, anyone else think it was hilarious that Hogan picked the bat up right by the barbed wire?

With Hogan and Flair actually getting in the ring, the live episode of TNA is going to be a complete train wreck.

[the dmg]

I'm pissed that The Guns aren't treated better, but that was happening long before Hogan and EB got here so I don't blame those two for that.
Agreed. They're easily one of the best and most entertaining tag teams in TNA, and Alex Shelley is amazing on the mic. I hope they start getting a push into the title scene. Christopher Daniels is getting the same type of treatment. He was more or less squashed by Angle a few weeks ago. Sad.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Well, something I find funny about the whole thing is when you think about WCW for most WCW Fans they arent always going to automatically say Goldberg, Sting and Hogan...most long time fans (or atleast the ones I know) will say Rey, Jericho, Kidman, The Luchas, The Tag Teams, The Nitro Girls...and etc...ya know?

WCW seemed to focus on the women and the lightweights because WWF didnt. Early TNA did just that...but now with Eric and Hogan its more like WWE so we arent really seeing much focus on tag teams and the knockouts are slowly fading away.

So, maybe, they will get a second show to focus on the rest of the roster.

[Neo Matrix]

Christopher Daniels is getting the same type of treatment. He was more or less squashed by Angle a few weeks ago. Sad.I think I read a couple of weeks ago that Daniels is one of the few people who's yet to win a match this year, his record was 0-17 at the time of writing as far as I can remember).

[Dean]

Split (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593819)

Live iMPACT! on Monday. RVD is reportedly joining the company. Maybe Jeff Hardy will be back and something can happen involving those two given their history?

[Soda Shop Hero]

Eric Bischoff has answered the following fan question on his Facebook page: "Hey Eric, mind telling me what the difference is between a World Champion and a Global Champion, because I am freaking BAFFLED." Eric Bischoff responded by saying, "Thats a DAMN GOOD question! Been on my mind as well"

2 Things.

1. Its to my understand that it would be equal to The IC or Euro Title in the WWE.

Wheres the confusion?

2. If Eric was that confused (as well)....wouldn't he make the change? I hope he wasnt serious in his answer.

[Double }{]

I'm kinda hoping you weren't serious there, because they're discussing the idiocy that is having a World Champion and a Global Champion...which, theoretically, are the same thing. (i.e., the "world" is encompassed by the "globe"--geographically, they cover the same space.)

The More You Know!

[Neo Matrix]

The same question could apply to the WWF World Championship and the WWF Intercontinental Championship, which to me means the same thing. Unless of course they meant the oceans as well in the World title. I always wondered when I was younger what significance the European title had when no-one but Americans were holding it. A European (or US for that matter) title denotes the area from which the people come from, like it's own division...

[Soda Shop Hero]

The same question could apply to the WWF World Championship and the WWF Intercontinental Championship, which to me means the same thing. Unless of course they meant the oceans as well in the World title. I always wondered when I was younger what significance the European title had when no-one but Americans were holding it. A European (or US for that matter) title denotes the area from which the people come from, like it's own division...
Yeah, I am going with Neo here.

The same could be said. Why have an IC if you have an World or vice-versa? Its like having The US title and the World title. Its the same thing or is the US not apart of the world either? Which is why originally after Young won it he made the rules that only it could be defended on non american soil or whatever.

Obviously, TNA can't use IC, US, Euro and North American wouldnt make sense for the storyline at the time so they used Global because of TNA doing such programs as Global Impact.

[Neo Matrix]

I assume he couldn't use Canadian either because Lance Storm already did in WCW...

US isn't the same as World, however having people not from the US challenge for it doesn't make sense either if you equate it to boxing, athletics or something like that. American Championships means it's a competition for Americans only... why would the US (American) title be for non-Americans?

[Soda Shop Hero]

I assume he couldn't use Canadian either because Lance Storm already did in WCW...

US isn't the same as World, however having people not from the US challenge for it doesn't make sense either if you equate it to boxing, athletics or something like that. American Championships means it's a competition for Americans only... why would the US (American) title be for non-Americans?
And I believe TNA could actually keep it as a dual title Legends/Gobal Championship.

When an American "Legend" holds it...its The Legends Title and when its someone who is "billed" from another country its the Gobal Championship. Or would that be to confusing for the fanbase? :D

Ofcourse, you could always blur the lines if you get someone like Muta to come in who is a Legend and from another country. And like you said Neo, you make it like its on divison where its as if americans need not apply unless you are a legend. If you think that list is too limited well thats where your WWE Rejects come into play.

Anyone from Raven to Jarrett to hold it...I mean if Booker can hold it and be call a Legend then so can Brother Ray or Rhino.

Edit:

Some Indy companys around here have an North American Championship, a Company title and for some reason a State title....they just...make up random belts...so I was just throwing in the North American part.

[Double }{]

Its the same thing or is the US not apart of the world either?

What? That wasn't the point I was making at all. Intercontinental could be construed as the same thing, but the words "Global" and "World" literally mean the exact same thing--the globe IS the world. It has nothing to do with the US being "part of" the world; that's entirely different.

[TD, Jr.]

Rumor has it that iMPACT may start a few mins early and supposed to have an 8 minute run-over. Something "Big" is supposed to happen in the first five minutes.

[Dean]

Rumor has it that iMPACT may start a few mins early and supposed to have an 8 minute run-over. Something "Big" is supposed to happen in the first five minutes.

RVD! RVD! RVD!

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Funny to see TNA (241) right on top of WWE (242) on DirecTV listing.

Bring on the RVD and a metric sh*t ton of commercials!

[TD, Jr.]

I hooked up two TV's in my room so I can watch RAW and iMPACT at the same time.

[Dean]

Starting off with the big tag match... Interesting. Wonder what the main event will be?

STING!

STING IS BACK!

Oh no... Sting as a bad guy... lol.

[TD, Jr.]

Man, I so didn't see Sting turning on Hogan and Abyss. This makes things interesting.

[Captain Obvious]

Man, I so didn't see Sting turning on Hogan and Abyss. This makes things interesting.

DO OVER THERE IS NO DO OVER IN PRO WRESTLING.

Seriously why would you do this again. I bet RVD interferes in the second match.

[TD, Jr.]

Or Sting comes out and attacks Styles and Flair this time, becoming the man alone.

[Dean]

Rob Van Dam in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Hopefully this match gets a decent amount of time.

"Never before seen?" Or never before seen on TV? lol.

Doug Williams just got punk'd.

Shannon is lucky they took him back. He better not f*ck up/screw them over this time...

[TD, Jr.]

That was a hell of a match. I'm looking forward to seeing Williams vs. Moore.

Sting vs. RVD maybe?

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Did anyone notice that Hogan's music is in fact the nWo theme minus the "new world order" lyric?

[TD, Jr.]

It's the nWo theme from on old WCW video game. Not the actual music.

Oh Sh*t, I think we're gonna see Sting vs. RVD.

[Dean]

It's actually one of the "other" nWo themes on either one of the albums or used in Japan...

Also Abyss is using Hogan's old WCW music now (American Made).

Pretty funny/sad. Anyway, Taz just teased Sting vs. RVD...

EDIT: Dave beat me to it. Maybe it was the video game.

[Double }{]

Well, we pretty much all knew that was going to be RVD, but seriously--THAT'S the debut? No match, two moves, and a four-minute beatdown by Sting's bat? Dammit.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

About time TBP got the tag belts.

The hint towards RVD was the "4:20pm" comment made right before the commercial?

My money is on Sting not being "pro-AJ/Flair" but being Anti-Hogan.

[TD, Jr.]

Yea, that was the hint. I think Sting is a great heel, we just never get to see much of it.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Ok, either their Director or Technical Director needs to be put down! Every single time there is a live show, we get sh*t jump cuts that are rapidly fixed, horrid shot choice, and edits that are made way too fast. They keep cutting to a camera as it is either panning or trucking into frame! It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't for the fact that every show this crap happens all the time. If they are staying on Monday nights live, then they need to shape up.

Speaking of which. What the hell was with the ad for TNA Epics next Monday Night at 8pm????

[TD, Jr.]

TNA is the number one trending topic on Twitter due to RVD/Sting.

[TD]

That was the corniest segment I have ever seen in my f*cking life.

[TD, Jr.]

Yea, it really was. But hey, it worked with Angle.

[TD]

Really? Cause I hated it.

Maybe I'm just getting old and bitter, but I wanted to hear more out of Mr Anderson.

Me & Dean have invented a drinking game entitled "Mr Anderson". Every time Kurt Angle says "Mr Anderson", you take a drink.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Mr. Anderson's shirt made me laugh out loud.

There should have been more Anderson and less fake Army hits.

[Double }{]

Agreed. Kenny even busted out the old "international object" line, which I'm sure Bischoff just loved. :D

But yeah, I flipped back and forth between Angle's talking, and every time I came back, and he was still talking, I said exactly that--"he's still talking?" I mean, we get it--USA, yay, whee, yawn.

Weren't Beer Money faces like, last week?

[TD, Jr.]

Brooke Hogan is such a bad actress.

[Double }{]

I'd officially like to nominate David Marshall's previous statement for the Understatement of the Year Award (tm).

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Brooke Hogan: TITS or GTFO!

Angle talks too long these days. I think he took lessons from Sting on repeating his opponent's name. Last year it was "Mick! MiCK! miCK! MICK!" This year it's apparently, "Mr. Anderson"

[Double }{]

How nice of Hogan to wipe Flair's nose for him like that.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Almost as nice as Flair standing up WHILE BEING PUNCHED IN THE FACE BY ABYSS!

[Double }{]

Remember when Eric Bischoff was talking about his formula for beating WWE on the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD? (I think that same interview was on another DVD, too.) The main point was doing the exact opposite of what WWE was doing: Raw was taped, so Nitro was live, etc.

It occurs to me that Bisch is doing the same thing now with TNA. Oh, WWE got rid of blood? Well, we'll just have f*cking BUCKETS of it EVERYWHERE!

Ugh. Blood does not inherently make your match better. Certainly isn't helping this one, either.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Jeff Hardy! Nice!

Keep in mind, I am not the standard tool that is a Jeff Hardy fan. The guy's a damn good wrestler and I want to see him against the X-Division. Let's hope that they can keep him on air.

[Double }{]

Let's hope that they can keep him on air.

Rather than go into the reasons he likely (read as: hopefully) won't be around for long again, I'll just say good luck with that. :^:

Keep in mind that I am the standard "f*ck Jeff Hardy with a red hot poker" fan. :D

[Operative #19]

Mike Tenay is horrible and ruins moments. He has no excitement whatsoever. Taz saved the Hardy return, but I can't stand Tenay.

[Double }{]

TNA is the number one trending topic on Twitter due to RVD/Sting.

That's interesting, because 411mania (http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/132091/Various-News:-WWE.com-Removes-RVD,-TNA-Trends-High-On-Twitter,-Hogan-Interview,-More.htm) says otherwise.

[Soda Shop Hero]

It occurs to me that Bisch is doing the same thing now with TNA. Oh, WWE got rid of blood? Well, we'll just have f*cking BUCKETS of it EVERYWHERE! Ugh. Blood does not inherently make your match better. Certainly isn't helping this one, either.

Is...blood really something you can control?

And I notice that you mentioned Angle went on one of his long "Pro-USA Promos" and I am reading this after I just posted how during the 1st hour (of what I saw) TNA was mostly wrestling. So, I just wanted to say before you correct me in the other thread I just wanted to say I wouldnt doubt that the 2nd hour of TNA got to the "Angle becomes Triple H" type promos.

But its Angle vs. Anderson its the biggest feud not having to do with a title. Its okay because feuds with out championships on the line always have to be more indepth but its basically what Anderson said on Thursday. Angle is going ultra babyface getting that fanbase behind him.

Hopefully, Anderson vs. Angle ends up being one of those feuds that last the whole year and after a few good matches Anderson ends up back in the WWE. lol

[Double }{]

Is...blood really something you can control?

To the extent that TNA is using it now, yes. It absolutely is.

I have no doubt that Hogan and Flair were not busted open "hardway" during last night's show, because they both had ample opportunities to blade, and both of them are big on that kind of thing. They know that their best years in the ring are behind them, so how do you make them more interesting? Why, you leave a pint of the red stuff in your bleach-blonde hair, of course!

No. No, no, a thousand times no. I'm no big proponent of WWE's "no-blood" stance at the moment, but I understand why they're doing it in regards to the PG rating. Nonetheless, I stand by my point--bleeding like a stuck pig is not enough to make your awful excuse for wrestling worth watching. Blood (and by extension, the actual act of bleeding or being caused to bleed), when used properly, can enhance a match, but slicing yourself open after a weak, overhand punch from a senior citizen is by no means "proper."

And I notice that you mentioned Angle went on one of his long "Pro-USA Promos" and I am reading this after I just posted how during the 1st hour (of what I saw) TNA was mostly wrestling. So, I just wanted to say before you correct me in the other thread I just wanted to say I wouldnt doubt that the 2nd hour of TNA got to the "Angle becomes Triple H" type promos.

Honestly, it was more Hogan that was taking up all the damn promo time as far as multiple segments, but really, that Angle promo was awful. Just terribly cliche and hackneyed--the only way he could've been more corny is if he'd constantly mentioned Orlando or the Impact Zone itself for a cheap pop. Anderson should've been given more than three seconds to talk, because he was about to turn it around with his quips, but then Angle went all ragequit on him...which I'm fine with, as long as they give Anderson ample time to talk first.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Well, as far as Flair goes thats always been his trademark, the bleached blonde turning red.

*shrugs*

Honky Tonk Man says TNA will fail in 12 Months. I guess he forgot that TNA has been around 7 years. One could say that Hogan/Eric are speeding up the process of it failing but I dont think they are really making a deciding factor either way at this point.

TNA is going to be around as long as they have a network to be on. If Spike, likes it then Spike will keep it. If Spike wants rid of it then TNA will look for another home sure (thats when WWE might decide buy it) but just because TNA doesnt wanna hire you (Honky Donky Man) doesnt mean TNA will fail. :D

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Yeah, I was about to say, Honky Tonk is just mad because of what Bischoff said about his old, washed up ass. How did anyone ever like that clown?

[Dean]

I have a ton of points to hit on, especially regarding blood.

1.) TNA has ALWAYS had a ton of blood. They released two DVD sets called "Best of the Bloodiest Brawls" for goodness sakes. And they've always been big on babyfaces bleeding (Flair bleeding doesn't make a whole lot of sense - why would you want him to gain sympathy at all?)

2.) I doubt Bischoff is behind the blood. He was very against blood in WCW. He thought it was cheap and he hated close-ups of bloody faces. Notice how WCW had hardly any blood until Bischoff was out of power. Maybe his opinion has changed, or maybe someone else is in his ear, but I just don't think he's behind that "decision." And it doesn't seem like more blood across the board... It's from one guy who's a pretty well known bleeder (Ric Flair) and from Hogan, who probably realizes his best days are behind him and he has to do something to keep the fans interested and garner sympathy from a crowd that is pretty anti-Hogan.

3.) I was more perturbed by how out of shape Flair looked than the blood. Seriously, he has that really awkward old man gut thing with incredibly flabby skin and man boobs. It's just disgusting. He needs to stay out of the ring... I wish he would've stayed retired. I remember when he was talking about how he wrestled with a shirt on at the final WCW Nitro because he was embarrassed of how his body looked, but it certainly couldn't have looked any worse than it did last night.

4.) I thought the Angle/Anderson storyline suffered a minor setback last night. That promo just turned the storyline from something entertaining and great into every other cliche Pro-American vs. Anti-American storyline. It might as well be Scott Steiner vs. Chris Harvard Nowinski now...

I guess he forgot that TNA has been around 7 years.

Might as well say 8... It's 8 years in June. Closer to 8 than 7.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Thanks for the points, Dean. I forgot about EB's stand on blood back in WCW. I hope this is one glimmer of hope towards EB being in the show but not running the show.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Eight years is a strong run and every year TNA has improved. I know its hard to catch up with WWE's history but to jump networks and to get on PPV, Videogames, DVD, Huge Merch and etc TNA has huge strides and to randomly say TNA will die/fail in such a such time now its kind of silly to me.

But then again we shouldnt really care about The HTM anyway...should we?

I think Anderson vs. Angle has to be that simple. To be honest. Very clear to the fans this guy "hates america" this guy "loves america" and you wanna cheer that guy and boo this one. I didnt see the promo yet...but I believe you.

[Insane man]

I think blood has it's place to enhance matches or angles but I think it loses its effectiveness if used every week. Is it me or did AJ Styles look orange like he had used too much spray tan?

[Double }{]

I think blood has it's place to enhance matches or angles but I think it loses its effectiveness if used every week.

My point exactly. Doesn't matter if you're Ric Flair; if you're bleeding every week, then there's something wrong, and before long, I'm not going to care.

[Dean]

Tell that to Sheamus. That guy cuts easy. :D

I keed, I keed (only half). But seriously, I agree with that. TNA has used quite a bit of blood forever, though. They're "old school rasslin'" in that way.

There is a section in Bischoff's book (Controversy Creates Cash) where he bashes the old-timers in WCW who'd use blood to get a reaction because they couldn't do it otherwise.

That was a surprisingly decent book, albeit slanted toward WWE.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Meh, I think it just happens sometimes. I am refering to Tomko vs. Jarrett from last thursday. When it comes to Flair, Hogan and Abyss I just expect it.

Although, they are some guys in the business you dont see bleed much and when you see them bleed its a shocker.

[TD, Jr.]

Edge is one of those guys. The only time I can remember that he really bled alot was his WrestleMania match against Foley, which was a great match.

[Double }{]

In regards to what I said earlier about Beer Money flip-flopping alignments on Impact, I think Lance Storm sums it up best:

Beer Money – JJ: I just have to clarify one point here. Beer Money turned heel tonight because (according to the announcers) they hadn’t been on TV much lately and were trying to get noticed. For the record last week on Impact Beer Money pinned the World Tag Team Champions, and were scheduled to get a Title shot at the PPV. Remind me again how Vince Russo is a great story teller.

[Soda Shop Hero]

In regards to what I said earlier about Beer Money flip-flopping alignments on Impact, I think Lance Storm sums it up best:

To be fair Thursday Night Impact and Monday Night Impact was soo close together it felt like the same week of wrestling. So, it would be fair to say they hadnt been seen in a long time.

And to be honest, I have no clue what Russo is doing right now with Eric and Hogan in charged...

[Double }{]

Zuh? That's even worse! If we're saying that last Thursday and this past Monday were so close they felt like the same week, that means that Beer Money would've switched alignments in an even shorter amount of time for the same nonsensical reason.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Meh... I dont think TNA focus is on that divison right now anyway...

[Insane man]

Also two weeks ago or so they cut a big face promo about they wanted to take Tna to the next level and how you needed Beer Money to do that. That makes the turn even more inexplicable. I came home after work and saw beer money v. Jeff Jarrett after turning on raw for a little bit and was like why are Beer Money all of sudden heels?

[Dean]

Exactly, the heel turn makes no sense after they JUST started doing some more face promo work... Blah.

But yeah, on that blood comment, one guy who hardly ever bleeds is Samoa Joe. I remember when he bled the first time in TNA, at the hands of Jeff Jarrett, they made it a HUGE deal.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

One little nick and Flair's blood flows. It's all the blood thinners he has to take for his old man heart.

I felt like Beer Money was kind of heelish last week the way they came out in black and swept in to steal a win away from the other guys. Taz said it was smart, but Tenay seemed on the fence. Then they gloated on the way out, so I saw a heel turn or a twist of some sort coming.

[FOUR=FOUR]

Black wrestlers in general don't bleed much. I remember seeing Monty brown bleedingin tna and I was surprised. And I know dlo was on one of the best of the bloodiest brawls back covers so in assuming he's bleeding somewhere in the DVD. I think the rock may have bled a few times in wwf but that's about as far as vinces promotion goes. And let's not forget Carlos colon.

[TD, Jr.]

Holy Crap, Flair is already bleeding. And I thought Sting got drunk when he did his face paint....then I realized it was Jeff Hardy.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Holy Crap, Flair is already bleeding. And I thought Sting got drunk when he did his face paint....then I realized it was Jeff Hardy.
Haha, I love when I read about wrestler's gimmicks being stale but the people saying that are usually fans of someone like Jeff Hardy and its like Jeff Hardy. This recent facepaint of his is just horrible he had it in his last few months of the WWE and now its in TNA and its...it doesnt even make sense.

I want TNA Jeff Hardy back...not WWE FacePaint Jeff. Because when Jeff is in WWE you usually see him the same way each week but when he originally went to TNA he seemed to dress a little different and still Jeff Hardy just a bit more creative in his street wear but seeing him with the face paint was just rough.

[TD, Jr.]

Haha, I love when I read about wrestler's gimmicks being stale but the people saying that are usually fans of someone like Jeff Hardy and its like Jeff Hardy. This recent facepaint of his is just horrible he had it in his last few months of the WWE and now its in TNA and its...it doesnt even make sense.

I want TNA Jeff Hardy back...not WWE FacePaint Jeff. Because when Jeff is in WWE you usually see him the same way each week but when he originally went to TNA he seemed to dress a little different and still Jeff Hardy just a bit more creative in his street wear but seeing him with the face paint was just rough.

I understood the face paint when it started, it looked like it was going to lead to a darker Jeff Hardy, but it never really did. I too want the TNA Jeff Hardy back, that's where I liked him the most and looked forward to watching him each week.

[Soda Shop Hero]

Yeah, he debut that facepaint when he did that dark promo against Edge(?) and it seem to fit really well but in TNA just seems like it would make more sense to show his face as much as possible and not his facepaint face.

[FOUR=FOUR]

I'm watching iMPACT! right now, so I saw Hardy at the start of the program. I don't the face paint, but what was up with that promo between Flair/Styles/Hardy? I didn't know Ric Flair was capable of sucking like that. At least I get to hear Hardy's music again, which I always thought was pretty good.

[Rated R Roger]

As corny as it is, I really like Jeff Hardy's "Creatures of the Night." And I also like the growling voice he did. It's a lot better than this actual accent. :)

[PeytlegsCK2005]

As corny as it is, I really like Jeff Hardy's "Creatures of the Night." And I also like the growling voice he did. It's a lot better than this actual accent. :)

I'll take his awkward screamy growling over his embarrassing "I'M SO EXTREEEEME DUDES" promos from WWE lol.
and Jeff's theme might be the worst theme in wrestling history. I like him but he needs to stay away from the mic in wrestling and in music hahaha.

[Dean]

I still don't get why TNA is airing iMPACT! replays on Thursday in primetime... It's one thing for WWE to do AM Raw at like, 2 AM on Sunday mornings, but for iMPACT! to be re-aired 3 days later in primetime... nobody is going to watch iMPACT! on Mondays.

Like TravisTouchdown told me on MSN, even if iMPACT! were way better than Raw, why would you watch when you can just watch Raw on Monday and watch iMPACT! on Thursday?

[KyleKyle Bensen]

I guess its something to know that TT still talks about TNA at least.

I agree. There is no reason to pull out a Monday show at all. TNA needs to build up more of a pull for their programming. They have given away so much for free on Impact that there is not enough power going into reasoning for their viewership. AAO last month was AWFUL, but they worked extra hard on the two Monday premieres. For what? A .8 rating? It's almost like they're treating the entire show like a one-night Indy gig.

[Soda Shop Hero]

I would only assume they are holding that slot so they can start a second show in the near future. TNA might have some sort of contract where they have a hold on Thursdays but then they signed a new one for Mondays??? Not sure how that works but it would make more sense to me if one Monday night they annouced that Thursday would be a new X Divison/Knockout Only show or something.

[PeytlegsCK2005]

when they don't show replays you guys complain that you couldn't watch impact because raw was on.... lol

[FOUR=FOUR]

I prefer the replays. It's the only way that I'll be able to watch iMPACT!. That being said, I do realise that it's a stupid thing. There would be no reason for anyone wanting to watch both shows to choose them on Mondays when they could watch TNA in a few days, at the time they're used to watching it. If they remove the Thursday replays, it'll be a shame because I'll be deprived of a day of wrestling, but it would be a good move, business-wise.

As for them keeping the timeslot so that they may air a new show eventually, I think that isn't the case. It would make no sense for them to have a second show, when one show is already getting crushed. Sure, they're established as a promotion, and a lot of the guys working for them could use the television time, but they need to go to Mondays with all their guns drawn.

[PeytlegsCK2005]

Ross says there's a long road ahead for TNA if they really want to compete with WWE and offers some suggestions on how to tweak their current approach:

"I think that TNA has a lot of work to do before they can begin to find the success that they need and want." Perhaps starting an hour before Raw might help them. Obviously producing an alternative product is imperative. Their replay on Thursdays isn't a bad idea but Spike really needs to commit with promotional time to give their wrestling product a fighting chance."

As for people who are expecting that TNA would be doing much bigger ratings on Monday nights from the beginning, Ross implies that TNA's (approximate) 1.0 rating isn't a bad thing.

"Spike averages a .7 rating so why would anyone think it realistic that TNA is going to increase the network average 200% or so?"

So Jim Ross disagrees with you guys about the replay :P
good point about the average Spike rating too. People talk about ratings so much and really have no idea how they work. I could get everyone I know to watch TNA and it wouldn't matter in the ratings a bit.

[Dean]

TUF 1 season finale had 11 million people watching at one point. Spike TV CAN get ratings if the product is exciting enough... Granted UFC hasn't really been able to duplicate that success (despite having some very high ratings grabbers).

I think TNA should just stick to Thursdays. Maybe it's the fact that Burn Notice is airing repeats and I don't have anything better to watch on Thursdays, but that night just "worked" better for TNA.

[FOUR=FOUR]

I agree. Thursday was a better day to have it. But it's good to see someone from WWE acknowledging TNA's decision to go to Monday. And perhaps moving up an hour will help... for that first hour. I'd still switch at nine, but some folks may forget to change the channel. And let's not forget that ratings don't equal how good a show is. Sure, ratings have been murdering great shows since the beginning of television, but all TNA has to do is put on a superior product and those unbiased fence riders will eventually abandon WWE, or at least lean more towards TNA.

[Double }{]

when they don't show replays you guys complain that you couldn't watch impact because raw was on.... lol

It's not a mutually exclusive situation--I complained about TNA moving to Monday because I would much rather watch RAW, but that doesn't mean I think they should do replays. I think they should just stick to Thursdays in general. Or even better: Wednesdays. That's an open market, and it would give us wrestling every day of the week.

[TD, Jr.]

First match of the night will probably be MOTN. Hell of a ladder match

Women's title match was good. Thought it was supposed to be a FB match, but guess not. Wasn't too thrilled with the ending, but loved the look on Daffney's face when she stole Poison.

And Magnus...just Magnus...got squashed like a bug.

Alright, Ultimate X Time!

Line of the night: Alex Shelley "We've been in TNA longer than you've owned your Hardy Boyz Starter Kit"

Okay, I was wrong. Ultimate X was the Match of the Night.

[Dean]

It's not a mutually exclusive situation--I complained about TNA moving to Monday because I would much rather watch RAW, but that doesn't mean I think they should do replays. I think they should just stick to Thursdays in general. Or even better: Wednesdays. That's an open market, and it would give us wrestling every day of the week.

They can't move to Wednesdays. Wednesdays is UFC night (New season of TUF is starting this week, actually).

[TD, Jr.]

Nash turned on EY. What a f*cking surprise. This match was WORSE than I thought it was going to be.

[Rated R Roger]

So, uh, can someone post some results as it goes?

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Sure, it's known to contain spoilers, ie. someone got fired, pinned, killed, quit, etc.

[TD, Jr.]

So far:

Kaz won the ladder match
Tara d. Daffney
Rob Terry killed Magnus
MCMG won the UX Match, best match of the night
Hall and Pac won after Nash turned on EY
Doug Williams beat Shannon Moore after he hit him with a brick
Morgan and Hernandez retained the tag titles. Okay match. The tension between the champs was good though.
Angle beat Anderson. Pretty good match. Not their best, but not their worst either. Better than the 3 matches before this put together.

[Double }{]

They can't move to Wednesdays. Wednesdays is UFC night (New season of TUF is starting this week, actually).

I said "wrestling." :D

(For the record, yes, I realize that the Ultimate Fighter is on Spike, and therefore Wednesdays aren't viable for TNA. It's unfortunate though, seeing as I could give f*ck-all about UFC.)

[TD, Jr.]

The main event was okay. Marked out just a little bit when A.J. got chokeslammed through the ring. Overall, a good PPV. Started off strong and had a few duds, but ended with good matches by Angle/Anderson and Abyss/Styles.

[Double }{]

Main event ended in a no contest? On PPV?

No buys. No sir.

[TD]

I completely forgot about this.

Can't say I'm too heartbroken though.

UFC > TNA.

[TD, Jr.]

Main event ended in a no contest? On PPV?

No buys. No sir.

BUT HUNTER, IT WAS THE POWER OF THE HALL OF FAME RING THAT MADE ABYSS CHOKESLAM HIM THROUGH THE RING!!!!

erhm...*cough*

Yeah. UFC on Versus was pretty good. Not to thrilled with the way the main event ended over there either, but Jones/Vera >>>>> Abyss/Styles.

Ultimate X was the best match of the night by far. No Hardy, Joe, Pope or Wolfe (except for a post main event run in) sucked.

[Insane man]

That finish is a terrible idea. Its serves one purpose that it makes Abyss look bad ass but makes Aj look weak as hell. It basically makes AJ look very weak.

[FOUR=FOUR]

I knew Nash would turn on EY, but I was wrong about the tension between the tag champs. I was expecting them to have a falling out. And damn you Daffeny for not winning.

[Dean]

I said "wrestling." :D

(For the record, yes, I realize that the Ultimate Fighter is on Spike, and therefore Wednesdays aren't viable for TNA. It's unfortunate though, seeing as I could give f*ck-all about UFC.)

That's a shame, because their free show tonight on Versus was more entertaining than most pro wrestling PPVs, IMO. I mean, two cracked orbitals in one night...

Granted I didn't actually watch TNA tonight, but from reading results, it sounds like it still has the same sh*t going on, only with even MORE confusion and stupid finishes. Bischoff complained about this for years, and now he's doing the exact same thing (or worse) with non-finishes, cheap endings, and f*cking the fans over who pay money to watch this sh*t...

[Insane man]

I knew Nash would turn on EY, but I was wrong about the tension between the tag champs. I was expecting them to have a falling out. And damn you Daffeny for not winning.

Afterward, Morgan gave Hernandez the Carbon Footprint. i Kind see that as a falling out. To me if Morgan was going to turn on hernandez, why not have it happen during the match and allow beer Money to win the titles?

[Double }{]

That's a shame, because their free show tonight on Versus was more entertaining than most pro wrestling PPVs, IMO. I mean, two cracked orbitals in one night...

Believe it or not, I agree. It is a shame, and it's not without trying--I've watched about a half-dozen UFC shows; just random stuff, PPVs at the bar, free stuff at home, etc. I just can't get into it.

[KyleKyle Bensen]

Believe it or not, I agree. It is a shame, and it's not without trying--I've watched about a half-dozen UFC shows; just random stuff, PPVs at the bar, free stuff at home, etc. I just can't get into it.

I agree. A couple times, I have seen some brutal fights that were entertaining, but there is way too much crap in between to skip through. Plus Joe Rogan gets on my nerves.