TNA Wrestling Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Northern Lights]

Use this thread to discuss everything about Total Nonstop Action Wrestling: the PPVs, iMPACT!, and of course your favorite Knockouts. This thread contains spoilers.

[Dean]

first time a feast winner has actualy captured the belt they were after.

I didn't see this before. Didn't Petey Williams use his briefcase to beat Lethal for the X Title?

[Insane man]

Yeah he did. He used that and i think he headbutted the guy with that thing that he wears over his head like scott steiner did.

[The Kendrick]

Yeah, and I seem to remember him putting Lethal's head in the case and stomping on it too.

[Northern Lights]

Man, that Petey's a great guy.

[Donpaulo Inc.]

As much as I love Storm and Roode as a tag team, and tag team champions for that matter, I really want them to compete in singles competition. Roode showed a lot of potential until it was derailed in his feud with Booker T. James Storm is a great in singles as well.

I agree with you totally, Im a huge Storm mark the guys got charisma by the bucket load and is very solid in the ring, Roode has grew on me massively although I do put that in part down to him teaming with Storm, I see Roode as the next Triple H. Trouble with the 2 as singles competitors is theres no room for them at the moment, neither are going to get the world title anytime soon and neither really fit in the Frontline vs Mafia feud so keeping them with the tag belts seems for the best right now.

I didn't see this before. Didn't Petey Williams use his briefcase to beat Lethal for the X Title?

I stand corrected said the man in the orthapedic shoe.

[Dean]

I wonder what the Christmas edition of iMPACT! is going to be like tonight. I imagine the ratings will be pretty damn low... lol.

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576437 - Split

[A Lucid Mind]

I wonder what the Christmas edition of iMPACT! is going to be like tonight. I imagine the ratings will be pretty damn low... lol.

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576437 - Split
You know there really isnt much on the past few years when it comes to christmas.

I mean you know when most of us were younger we grew up watching all the christmas stuff right on christmas not weeks before. Like all the Charlie Browns and Christmas Specials of Sitcoms and Christmas Movies as annoying as they were were on and people watched.

These days its soo spread out...I dont expect ratings to be any lower than normal.

[Dean]

- According to Dave Meltzer, there has been talk of putting either Chris Daniels or Paul London into the role of Suicide since Kaz was re-injured.

- The Holiday edition of the Spin Cycle is now up featuring Mick Foley, Robert Roode, Jay Lethal and Sojourner Bolt. The show also features a cameo by the Beautiful People and footage from the Universal Studios Christmas parade.

- TNA TNA board game is now available via Toysrus.com.

- Midway's demise was talked about recently on G4 TV. Most industry insiders do not see the company lasting past 2009. They said if it were to happen there properties were be auctioned off and the money earned would go to paying their debts. So even if Midway does go under we could see a second TNA game as long as someone decides to pick up the license for it.

- Extras on the Bound for Glory 2008 DVD include fan fest footage, interviews, a Smashing Pumpkins music video, a photo gallery and more.

[Credit: Gerweck, Wrestling Observer]

- Heyman said TNA should ignore the ratings, and comprise a six month plan to compete with WWE. Heyman said their goal should be to get 1.8 or 2.0 rating in six months. He said TNA can not panic if the ratings dip along the process.


- Heyman said TNA has the same number of PPV buys if Impact does a 0.8 or a 1.2 rating.


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from TNAwrestling.com:

This Thursday night, TNA Wrestling returns to SpikeTV for a very special Christmas edition of "iMPACT!", featuring your favorite superstars in action.

The below is a preview for what you will see on the show:

- The X Division Championship Tournament continues with a semi-final match, with the winners advancing to the final bout for the gold at the Genesis PPV on Sunday, January 11: Chris Sabin of The Motor City Machineguns vs. TNA newcomer Kiyoshi

- Plus, a special Santa's Workshop Knockout Streetfight will take place with Roxxi, Taylor Wilde, Christy Hemme, ODB, Sojourner Bolt, Rhaka Khan, Raisha Saeed and Awesome Kong

- "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles will team with Brother Devon of Team 3D to battle TNA Legends Champion Booker T and "Big Poppa Pump" Scott Steiner

- A special sitdown interview is scheduled with Jeff Jarrett regarding the intense situation that occurred on iMPACT! when Kurt Angle threatened his daughters and tried to intimidate the TNA Founder, causing Jarrett to snap!

- Plus, in the "iMPACT!" main event it will be Olympic Gold Medalist Kurt Angle vs. "The War Machine' Rhino

All this and much more on Thursday's "iMPACT!" on SpikeTV, plus more news on the upcoming "Genesis" Pay-Per-View on Sunday, January 11.

We've seen Angle versus Rhino a lot, and sometimes the matches can be really good. Their last match was forgettable, but I expect it to be a decent bout. I wonder what Frontline is going to do in retaliation to MEM breaking Samoa Joe's arm.

[A Lucid Mind]

It would work well with London if he wants to do something like that full time according to Billy whats his name London wants to model and act and such. But London could pull it off and even bring back his whole PLEASE DONT DIE act...it would be awesome.

[Dean]

London has a good look for a superhero, too, and he's a great high flier and could pull off the superhero antics pretty well. Plus, the Suicide storyline would make sense for London... He was on top of the world, longest-reigning tag champs in Smackdown! history... and then a non-negotiable threat (smiling backstage) CAUSED HIS WHOLE WORLD TO SPIRAL DOWNWARD. :P

[A Lucid Mind]

How you like that Velvet chant? Obviously, shes the hotter of the two.

[Shane]

...Mick Foley did what the entire frontline couldn't. They really don't know how to make the Frontline look good at all.

[Donpaulo Inc.]

So has London signed with TNA?

[Dean]

There hasn't been anything to confirm or deny that London has signed yet. I'm hoping they put him in the role of Suicide.

Man, iMPACT! had some of the best promo work yet. Unfortunately, the worst promos came from the girls. TBP's wasn't completely bad, but holy mackerel, that Christmas clusterf*ck was one of the worst, most annoying promos ever... I understand the point, but the execution was TERRIBLE.

Anyway, not a bad episode, but I was kind of bothered that they had Foley take out the entire MEM (virtually) during his big run-in. I mean, they could've bothered to have Frontline help him once they were even in numbers... Seemed foolish that he took them all on, and I hate that they're having him use Mr. Socko (and they can't even call it Mr. Socko).

I'd rather Foley use a barbed wire baseball bat... though that'd be painful to pull out of your pants, lol.

[A Lucid Mind]

Well, I was thinking about this last night as Jeff snapped on Angle.

I like what TNA is doing. I could be wrong but this is how I see it.

Remember back in WCW it was basically NWO vs. World not just another wrestling faction. NWO although feuded with the some of the same people like DDP and Sting they often had feuds with other people to which the other wrestlers in WCW didnt seem to care about what NWO was doing at all.

I think thats what TNA is doing here but some of the fans are either not use to it or just dont see it. They think its Main Event vs. Frontline. Period. That every week it should be one member vs. another. No more. No less.

But its not like that all. You have Jeff out there that although supports Frontline hes not the leader or anything hes not really invested in anything other than Angle.

You have all these other storylines sprouting off from the mainstoryline that its not even about Main Event vs. Frontline. And thats fine because I rather see that then watchin the same two or three guys wrestle each other every week and then at the PPV they wrestle again and its suppose to be special all of a sudden.

As for Foley...well he is suppose to be wrestling at the PPV right? Gotta make him look strong gotta get a pop. This is no different when we see a returning wrestler in any other company return and clear the ring. I dont think it hurts either group when you take in everything.

[Dean]

You have to make him look strong, but having a man who looks like he does in his condition cleaning house, it just makes the other wrestlers in the ring look bad.

- There is talk of TNA running a show at Arena Monterrey in Mexico in April.

- The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that Kurt Angle is currently involved with Rhaka Khan, while Jeremy Borash is seeing Diana Degarmo of “American Idol,” and David Sahadi and Gail Kim are an item.

- From Jerry Neil: TNA has added Kiyoshi to their roster. Well at least the picture is up they are still working on all the info for him.

- Brutus Magnus and Suicide have been added also.

[Insane man]

Do you have to make Foley look strong? yes. But at the expense of the whole frontline is dumb. Foley>Frontline. Foley managed to do what those guys could not do clear the mafia from the ring. Why does Foley need two partners? I feel like i am watching the same show week to week with tna. I want to enjoy the show but i can't because no one including the fans at home take the Frontline seriously. Then we have matches that are plagued by non finishes, or dq's or outside interference or things that happen while the show is at commercial. Some wrestling where what happens in the ring matters. Elevate some young guys lethal goes from last year beating Kurt angle to really doing nothing. Nearly beats Sting a month or so ago and they don't do anything with him.

[Dean]

The only memorable thing Lethal has done (besides those you mentioned) was his feud with Sonjay Dutt. It was a mixed bag to say the least; the storyline itself was quite stupid, and they had a horrible match (Black Tie Brawl & Chain), but made up for it with two good matches (singles match at Victory Road and a GREAT ladder match at No Surrender in Oshawa).

Lethal isn't really ready to be pushed to the World Title YET, but I think in time he will be. For now, he's in a tag team with Creed, and they could be a pretty good tandem.

[Insane man]

But see there's the problem you would never know they team together because you don't see them on Impact that much. if they would push them as a serious team like beer Money or Matt morgan and abyss then it would be beneficial. Because fans would get to see them and how they interact as a team. Have them win a few matches that way they can showcase their moves as a team and fans can get behind them and take them seriously as a real tag team.

[Dean]

Well, they just started teaming together a few months ago and only sporadically. It's not really an official tag team from what I've seen; one of those throw-together teams out of convenience. They're both part of Frontline and use a similar style.

I expect to see a lot more from them, though. TNA's tag division is the most stacked, as they have LAX, Beer Money, MMGs, and Morgan/Abyss, and that's not even counting the tag teams who aren't currently in the title picture like 3D, and you could get a couple of good 'main event' tag teams out of the guys in Frontline or MEM. Angle and Sting are technically former tag team champions. :wink:

So yeah, I think probably the reason they don't get as much time is because there are SO MANY tag teams. Beer Money got a rough cut segment, LAX got some a few weeks ago, and Morgan/Abyss got a good promo in this week. Lethal and Creed usually do their talking in the ring, so I do agree that it'd be nice to see more of them, but besides a couple of jobber teams they could squash, and the MMGs (and I don't think they wanna give that match away for free on iMPACT! or have it hurt by the lack of time), who could they really go over that would mean anything?

Actually... don't read this if you don't want something pretty major spoiled THAT WAS SPOILED FOR ME BY NICHOLAS :P Lethal and Creed are going to win the tag titles from Beer Money, so I was sort of leading into saying that, but I didn't want to spoil it. So yeah, once they win the tag titles from Beer Money, I'm hoping that Morgan and Abyss continue their feud with Storm and Roode, while Lethal and Creed can have a great series of tag matches against the Motor City Machine Guns and possibly LAX.

[Dean]

- Last Thursday's Christmas edition of TNA iMPACT! did a 1.0 cable rating. That is down from the previous week's 1.2.


Not bad, considering it was on the biggest holiday of the year.

[A Lucid Mind]

You know something I like about TNA?

Their tag team matches...actually feature something called TAG TEAM MOVES!

[Dean]

That tag match was great. I was a little unhappy with the ending, but I thought it was a fantastic match to kick off '09.

The whole show was cool, with the commentary from the participants of the matches and stuff... well, with the exception of Kong versus Kim, since one doesn't talk and the other is gone (but they had Angelina Love talk about how TBP are better than either and how she doesn't care about the match if she isn't in it, and neither should anyone else).

[Dean]

This forum seems slower than normal. We've got iMPACT! tomorrow and Genesis on Sunday (TNA's debut in NC, and I know A Lucid Mind isn't getting his hopes up, but I personally think it'll be a big deal when it happens).

But yeah, I'm wondering where TNA is going with the Samoa Joe and Brother Ray injuries, if they're going to have them return sooner rather than later or if they'll bring in Daniels and maybe Skipper or Low Ki to bolster TNA Frontline...

[Northern Lights]

What's the card? I haven't even checked.

[Dean]

Chris Sabin is going to face the winner of Eric Young versus Alex Shelley in the finals of the X-Division Title Tournament.

TNA Frontline (Mick Foley, AJ Styles, and Brother Devon) versus Main Event Mafia (Booker T, Kevin Nash, and Scott Steiner)

Awesome Kong versus Christy Hemme for the TNA Knockouts Title (Lumberjack/Lumberjill match)

Kurt Angle versus Jeff Jarrett II

Sting versus Rhino for the TNA World Title

Those are the only ones listed on Wiki, but there are probably more that'll be booked after this week's iMPACT!. I don't know what the tag team title picture is going to look like...

We'll probably get Beer Money Inc. versus Lethal & Creed for the TNA World Tag Team Titles, unless Morgan and Abyss get involved.

That's six matches, and the only other feud that sticks out is Sheik Abdul Bashir versus Shane Sewell and possibly something involving The Beautiful People and the fake Sarah Palin (Daffney from WCW... aka Shannon Spruill).

[Northern Lights]

Doesn't sound like a great show.

[Dean]

Seriously? You've got Rhino versus Sting - Rhino has beaten Sting before, on iMPACT!, and this is one of Sting's few World Title defenses. It's Frontline versus MEM, the two leaders...

We have the return match of Angle versus Jarrett. They've devoted a lot of iMPACT! to building this one up, and the first match was one of the matches of the year in TNA.

We're going to crown a new X-Division Champion, and Mick Foley is making his debut, not to mention the return bout of Kong versus Hemme (their first match was actually quite good, though I'd prefer Taylor Wilde as the "face" of the Knockouts instead of Hemme).

And you have BEER MONEY INC. one of the best tag teams in wrestling today... Not to mention the potential for Homicide or Hernandez to cash in their Feast or Fired briefcases on the PPV... I mean... There's so much potential here. I think it'll either be awesome or disappointing, depending on how it's booked.


Also I'm calling it right now - iMPACT!'s rating tomorrow will dip to 0.9 because of the football game.

[Northern Lights]

I'm sure it will be enjoyable due to the storylines, but for matches? Not for me.

[A Lucid Mind]

Yeah, its going to suck...Dean wont even let me do PbP on it. :crazy:

I am worried about the turn out because TNA has been through here before with UWF not far from the Bo Arena and the turn out was very poor and this wasnt no namers either this was Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Rhino, Monty Brown, Eric Young, Chris Sabin, Petey Williams, Micheal Shane, Dutt and plenty of others.

I hope it does well...

Sting will be doing an interview on a local Alt Rock station. I know he is the TNA champ but its VERY odd to me that Sting would speak in general. I dont listen to the real radio much anymore since getting XM but Ill try to catch it.

Also this same station is trying to promote it they been running the normal PPV advert but last night I heard one esp for buying tickets for the event and it said with the price of an Adult ticket kids under 12 get in free.

Thats a pretty good deal and should pack the house atleast on tv.

[Dean]

You forgot to mention the Wu Tang Clan concert on the same night in the same town or whatever that you told me about. ;)

iMPACT! is tonight, but nobody will watch... lol. Damn you, National Championship game...

[A Lucid Mind]

You forgot to mention the Wu Tang Clan concert on the same night in the same town or whatever that you told me about. ;)

iMPACT! is tonight, but nobody will watch... lol. Damn you, National Championship game...

Haha, yeaah Wu Tang Clan that night...some kind of wedding festival in the afternoon. Its a busy busy weekend lots of stuff going down in the city.

We been having some very windy days recently too hope that doesnt affect superstars arriving.