Do you think aliens exist?

[nooblet]

just wondering because i do.

[Cody.]

Of course, maybe these "aliens" are machines.That is a possibility, although I don't think that Transformers are going to become a reality to us anytime soon if they really are machines. ;)

Like mentioned, I highly doubt that we are the ONLY living things here in space, Earth itself cannot be the only planet with living organisms that are known to humans, there very well could be many other living species out there and we are unaware of them. But at the same time, we can't say they they easily exist, that is impossible for us to be the only ones if we haven't really seen any UFO's or any unknown living species besides bacteria and such.

[Figz]

well who knows, just watching the movie you think wow, this looks like this could just happen

[Schteve]

Is what im saying is that theres no true way to know how long they are from. Carbon dating FTW?



I do not believe we are supposed to discuss religion in sub-forums other than the religion forum.Religion (especially things like Wicca) is certainly welcome here. Though strictly religious topics are likely to find themselves moved to the Religion forum.



It may be expensive. But we can do it fairly easily, One of my teachers told me that once we were able to sustain a tree on another planet we would be able to make AIR!
Fu*k yes. Therefore we would be able to make the move say mars fairly easy.Plants produce oxygen, not air. Sure, you could like breath just that, but it would be a weird feeling and not at all what you are used to. Air as we know it is composed of many different gases, the vast majority being nitrogen. Only about a fifth is oxygen.



It also doesn't change the fact that the planet wouldn't have a gravitational pull either, unless we were to somehow "make" one.That's not that hard (well, implementing it would be on a planetary scale). Space stations and the like have artificial gravity.

Split: http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542765

[Cody.]

That's not that hard (well, implementing it would be on a planetary scale). Space stations and the like have artificial gravity.

I also don't think everyone would want to live on one giant Space Station either, regardless wether it produced there air or not. They would have to get pretty creative with how humans and anything else thats sent to live there would even breathe, and it would most likely be manufactured or produced artificially.

[Figz]

If we could build a big enough one, and avoid the end of the earth, the scientific one. in oh 5 billion years, i don't see why people would jump at the chance to live, no matter what the situation is.

[Cody.]

If we could build a big enough one, and avoid the end of the earth, the scientific one. in oh 5 billion years, i don't see why people would jump at the chance to live, no matter what the situation is.

Yeah, it would have to be those that truly wanted to live that way though.

I personally would rather die (depending on the age) due to the end of Earth, rather than trying to learn how to even live again. Things would be completly different, our lifestyle, our nature, everything would be at least tweaked a little bit to how we are to live, and I personally wouldn't want to go though that sort of chaos.

[asian jew]

They better, or God has wasted a sh*tload of space.

[Cody.]

I do wonder what the purpose is to most of the other planets, as to why they are even out there, are they just lost "stars" that have fallen into our solar system, just like the new planets that have entered the solar system, OR do they sustain life in a way? Meaning that they are a living planet simular to Earth. Its an interesting thought actually.

[grungerocker]

yeah, whos to say that they don't? we don't know whats going on in this huge universe. baby suri is an alien isn't she?:wink:

[Crosshair?]

baby suri is an alien isn't she?what?
OR do they sustain life in a way? Meaning that they are a living planet simular to Earth. Its an interesting thought actually.
just looking at the diversity of living things on earth and how you can find thriving colonies of life at the bottom of oceans and near volcanic vents...it's entirely possible that life managed to spring up on these other planets, we just haven't found it yet.

[Cody.]

just looking at the diversity of living things on earth and how you can find thriving colonies of life at the bottom of oceans and near volcanic vents...it's entirely possible that life managed to spring up on these other planets, we just haven't found it yet.Exactly.

I think that its nearly impossible that there is absolutely no lifeforms found on ANY planet found within our solar system. Knowing that each planet has its own unique feature(s) that is entirely different from the other planets, there has got to be some sort of lifeforms found on some planets, regardless if its just bacteria or some organisms.

[bman3k]

I believe that there has to be other life, besides the organisms on earth, in the universe. I don't believe there is any sentient life in our solar system, because if there was I think we would've seen something of them now, organization is the easiest sign of life to detect. I've read that there are some creatures that live very deep in the ocean, which can survive extreme temperatures and even in vacuums for a time, so I don't see why it's not possible for creatures to have developed the ability to survive in space. Sentient life in another solar system seems more probably because earth is the only planet that has an adequate environment and atmostphere to support life (as we know it). Even in science fiction, most "aliens" seem to requrie the same basic living requriements we need, obviously a silly thing to base a fact off of, but it's interesting to me.

[Cody.]

I believe that there has to be other life, besides the organisms on earth, in the universe. I don't believe there is any sentient life in our solar system, because if there was I think we would've seen something of them now, organization is the easiest sign of life to detect. I've read that there are some creatures that live very deep in the ocean, which can survive extreme temperatures and even in vacuums for a time, so I don't see why it's not possible for creatures to have developed the ability to survive in space. Sentient life in another solar system seems more probably because earth is the only planet that has an adequate environment and atmostphere to support life (as we know it). Even in science fiction, most "aliens" seem to requrie the same basic living requriements we need, obviously a silly thing to base a fact off of, but it's interesting to me.
I don't doubt that there is life thoughout the entire universe, I believe that "aliens" could exist and live anywhere, even if its not a planet that they live on. We obviously haven't picked up any information about living creatures that have some simular features to living things on Earth, besides bacteria and some organisms, there very well could be some creatures in space that are more than just organisms and bacteria, we just don't know about them yet.

As for the possiblity of living "creatures" to live within our solar system, I also find it to be a little less likely, knowing that we probably would have some evidence about other living things thoughout our solar system by now as you mentioned, but how do we know that the bacteria found in our solar system as of so far isn't coming from one of the planets that we haven't fully "investigated" yet, we have explored Mars multiple times enough to see that that water existed up there and that it has ice caps as well, from what I know we haven't sent any certain land rovers or satelites to explore each and every planet fully, meaning that they have gone "inside" each planet to investigate instead of just taking pictures of the whole planet.

[Schteve]

I think that its nearly impossible that there is absolutely no lifeforms found on ANY planet found within our solar system. Knowing that each planet has its own unique feature(s) that is entirely different from the other planets, there has got to be some sort of lifeforms found on some planets, regardless if its just bacteria or some organisms.It wouldn't be anything carbon-based, that's for sure, since they wouldn't be able to survive on any of the other planets. And I can't see non-carbon lifeforms existing anywhere near us.

[Flip-Hkd]

I dont know why you guys are stuck on "We would have seen evidence by now"

If we haven't been able to get out of our own solar system, then what makes you think anybody else has?

Just because they exist somewhere else, doesn't exactly mean they have some kind of advantage that makes it easier for them to explore more, or be smarter.

Im sure they started from scratch like humans.

[Cody.]

If we haven't been able to get out of our own solar system, then what makes you think anybody else has?
We don't know if anybody else has made it outside of our solar system, but we also don't know if these "aliens" existed outside our solar system in the first place, and if they are even out there still.

Just because they exist somewhere else, doesn't exactly mean they have some kind of advantage that makes it easier for them to explore more, or be smarter. I agree.

To emphasis on that a little, just because in movies, story, games etc. that include aliens and show us that they have far more knowledge than we could ever hope to have doesn't mean its true, if "aliens" out there are more than just bacteria and organisms, it doesn't really mean they are far more advanced than us, they just live a completely different lifestyle.

Also knowing that there really isn't another planet that is very simular to Earth (counter earth) and most planets that we know of are made of just a rocky surface, or is all "gas", it would be incredibly hard for the aliens to suddenly transform that planet into a high tech "space station" of there own just to reach from planet to planet, that is unless they could natually fly.

[`GwJumpman]

Also knowing that there really isn't another planet that is very simular to Earth (counter earth) and most planets that we know of are made of just a rocky surface, or is all "gas", it would be incredibly hard for the aliens to suddenly transform that planet into a high tech "space station" of there own just to reach from planet to planet, that is unless they could natually fly.
NASA scientists have found distant planets with similar compusure as Earth.

[Flip-Hkd]

Is that true or did you just see it on television?

That kind of made me laugh because what don't "SCIENTISTS" do, or find, or say...

[Cody.]

NASA scientists have found distant planets with similar compusure as Earth.Do you have any proof or links of this?

[blzbob]

Since this discussion has gone toward to include a string of the thought about the type of planet needed for life, I ought now to include information on that: Not only is a highly moderate environment needed for life on the planet, but a certain other piece of thing: Jupiter. At least, that's what it is in our case. A little baby Earth needs a big brother of sorts to pull in assloads of asteroidal debris and whatnot. Unless, maybe, there weren't any freefloating dangerous rocks or whatever, but there usually are.

So, the search for another earth planet, needs to include the search for a same-solar system jupiter planet.

[mark HRR]

besides the point of BLZ Bob, not everything has to breath oxygen or be carbon based for that matter. I mean, there could be Some sort of sulpher breathing squidnoids or somthing. This planet is best suited for creatures of our genetic build up; such as oxygen breathing carbon based life forms. Where as another planet could hold the needs for something that I mentioned earlier.

[`GwJumpman]

Do you have any proof or links of this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18293978/
This could very well support organisms.

[Cody.]

Interesting, it could very well be possible to "create" out own counter-earth, meaning that we could possibly create a livable enviroment in order to live on an alternate planet. It would definatly take time to even grow an enviroment that would cover nearly the entire planet, yet alone to recreate a "worldly" civilization and organization for people to even live or survive.

[alexsouthey7]

getting back to the actual point on whether aliens do exist or not, i personally think its possible, but unlikely, wouldnt they have contacted us by now? or given us atleast some sort of sign, and until we get one, i think its probably safe to say that they may exist, its just unlikely, since we still havent found any other life on other planets.

[`GwJumpman]

Well think about, they may be just as advanced as us and not even know if other life-forms exists, they could be thinking the exact same thing right now.

[alexsouthey7]

lol good point, i admire your thinking

[Typhon]

getting back to the actual point on whether aliens do exist or not, i personally think its possible, but unlikely, wouldnt they have contacted us by now? or given us atleast some sort of sign, and until we get one, i think its probably safe to say that they may exist, its just unlikely, since we still havent found any other life on other planets.



Do you have any idea how long it would take a message to reach us even if "they" sent it right this very second? Over four years... and that's the closest star located towards us... assuming there's life in that system...

The average star system is hundreds of years away form us... so it would take something traveling the speed of light hundreds of years to get to us (once again assuming they have the technology and they want to actually contact us)... and we've only recognized these systems in detail for a little over a century...

Maybe we already missed that "message"... or maybe it's on its way here... oh boy, only several hundred more years to wait until it arrives...


Get the point?

[alexsouthey7]

i do get the point, i wasnt looking for a, you know, full on argument, i was just seeing what other opinions were, sorry if i offended your opinion or somethin

[Typhon]

Umm... offended my opinion? Wha?


I was just asking if anyone here understood the impossibility of interstellar travel and communication...

Everyone wants the Star Trek universe answers as if there are millions of highly advanced races out there wanting to communicate with us humans, and in effect making a galactic headquarters here on Earth (more likely San Fransisco) to make diplomatic arrangements for every planet in the galaxy, sharing our technologies and to boldly go where no one has gone before...

Fun to think about, but highly unlikely...



Besides, the aliens out there are more than likely in the same boat we are, separated by billions of miles from one another wondering why no one has contacted them... and even if they do have means of intergalactic travel, why would they want to contact us? Are we so arrogant to think we are the pinnacle of civilization? I doubt it, there are probably extraterrestrials whizzing right past this system not giving it a second look...

[Cody.]

we still havent found any other life on other planets.Living creatures (aliens), no. But life in general, yes. if you were to include the fact that water has been found on Mars and usually where ever there is water, there is something living, I wouldn't doubt that there is life up there or anywhere is Space. Organisms and bacteria also count toward something thats alive, even though it may not have humanlike characteristics.

Besides, the aliens out there are more than likely in the same boat we are, separated by billions of miles from one another wondering why no one has contacted them... and even if they do have means of intergalactic travel, why would they want to contact us? Are we so arrogant to think we are the pinnacle of civilization? I doubt it, there are probably extraterrestrials whizzing right past this system not giving it a second look...True, and not only that, but there's also the fact that we don't know how advanced these aliens are, even if these lifeforms are more than just organisms, meaning that they have humanlike characteristics and have "knowledge" (I guess you could say) doesn't mean that they are highly advanced, equally advanced or maybe even less advanced than we are. We are just as clueless about aliens as they are clueless about us.

[alexsouthey7]

well how do you know, maybe they already do know about us because there technology IS fair more superior then ours, and are observing us, just not making any contact with us. (again, this is all just a possibility)
and an unlikely one at that

[Cody.]

well how do you know, maybe they already do know about us because there technology IS fair more superior then ours, and are observing us, just not making any contact with us. (again, this is all just a possibility)
and an unlikely one at thatNo one really does know, the only people that would get the closest to finding out things like such would be the scientists that "examine" things in space.

But agreeing with your point, they could possibly already know about us if they are more advanced than we are or have already bypassed Earth before and little did we realize it.

[Sgt._cortez]

I Think There is something out there...intelligent or not I can't say but I think it's a little close minded to think that there are a possible one hundred million million planets out there and not a single one that can support some form of life

[Figz]

THANK YOU

Someone has shown itelligence.
There has to be life.

I mean simple 2 minute thought up theories can be right. Some people wanna say no?!?

How gay.

[Typhon]

How gay.


Eh... I would defiantly watch that kinda thing around here... the T-dome might let you off with a warning... but you very well might get a ban here...

[Figz]

Eh your right, that was a bad choice of words, I won't do that again.

I was overwhelmed with anger ;)

[`GwJumpman]

Why, there's nothing to be angry about?:hmm:

[Streetpunk]

Totally are aliens. If we live in as big a universe as they say we do, then how could there not be. Millions of galaxies and we're the only ones in all of it? I think not. Maybe not aliens but definitely other life somewhere be it aliens, other people, what have you.

[Schteve]

How gay.Actually that earns you a warning anywhere!

[distantravenge]

i do beleive there are alians. because we exist here and here is the whole universe that still has to be explored if it can be. so ye si do beleive that are lifeforms elsewhere in the universe