Topic for Questions/Comments/Etc about the proposed changes to Real Life

[Isis]

The changes have been made. Currents Events can still be found at http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45. The new Pool of Knowledge (Name change upcoming) is located at http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=133, and the new Uncensored General Discussion forum, called Corpus Vile, is now found at http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=812.

From the efforts and suggestions of many mods and members, we have worked out these changes to the Real Life section of GameWinners.

1. Change Current Events to a General Discussion forum. (If you go to Something Awful, this will be akin to the GBS forum there) Any kind of topics you want to post can go there, as long as they aren't complete and utter SPAM - up to the discretion of the mods of that forum. This forum will still follow all forum wide rules.

2. Change PIMI to Uncensored General Discussion. Change the name, clear out all old topics. This one will also be an anything goes topic forum, but flaming and trolling will be allowed in moderation. The mods will handle and set the line - no flaming and trolling for the sake of it, but all in good fun will be allowed.

3. Combine the Pool of Knowledge, History, Science, and Politics forum into one large intelligent debate and discussion forum.


All mods have already been notified of this and there have been no problems brought to our attention. You can use this topic to ask any questions, post any concerns, etc.

[Tom]

I like the PIMI idea, though I'm sure it'll go down badly somehow.

The only thing I suggest is keeping the PIMI name. I can actually see the logic behind changing the name for a fresh start and all, there's a certain infamy to it, so yeah, I am being a bit difficult. But, would you guys mind putting in the extra effort it'll take keep the name and convince people it isn't a pool of piranhas just for the sake of nostaligia? Please?

[Isis]

We've been trying that for months and some of the members have been very nice at helping out as well. However, most think that changing the name will help tremendously. I'll also post what I sent to Vinny when he PMed me about keeping the topics as it also pertains to this.


I think the problem that was encountered was that even though many of the PIMI members are trying, there is still an elitest feel to the forum. I'd be willing to make a subforum to put all the old PIMI topics in for a while/permanently as I can see how y'all wouldn't want to lose them. Hopefully the "new" forum will go back to how PIMI was when it was first made without the sniping and telling people to get out - which, don't get me wrong, has gotten better, but the forum is still dying b/c people are afraid to go near it. It has a stigma and a lot of people/members/mods would like to see that stigma gone so the forum can be enjoyed again.

[Tom]

Not even a month trial? Not so much as a try?

:(

(Don't make me pull out the puppydog eyes: you will MELT)

[gamertech]

I like all three ideas. The PIMI, because of the very reasons you stated in that PM to Vinnie. Like many others, I'm afraid to go near it because of its elitist feel. I'm not so sure I'd take that away from them though because it doesn't really bother me; I just stay away.

The other two changes would be improvements, however, as those forums tend to be stretched too thin as is.

[marasamune]

From the efforts and suggestions of many mods and members, we have worked out these changes to the Real Life section of GameWinners.

That's mostly Kat and myself. Our alts compromise 73% of the mod team. (We're just uber like that)

Any hoodles, I'd like to submit a few potential names for the new PIMI, since the non trolling version is Kat's idea, she can name that one.

Prematurely Senile

Running With Scissors (lol I like Weird Al)

Playful Insults May Irritate (My personal favorite) (lol PIMI)

[Isis]

That's mostly Kat and myself. Our alts compromise 73% of the mod team. (We're just uber like that)

Any hoodles, I'd like to submit a few potential names for the new PIMI, since the non trolling version is Kat's idea, she can name that one.

Prematurely Senile

Running With Scissors (lol I like Weird Al)

Playful Insults May Irritate (My personal favorite) (lol PIMI)
I wasn't sure if you wanted me to tell on you ;) Otherwise I would've certainly given you credit

[marasamune]

No, seriously, Kat and I are 73% of the mod team. Coleman is about 20%.

We are legion.

[Coleman]

No, seriously, Kat and I are 73% of the mod team. Coleman is about 20%.Yeah, but if you include Tom, that gives me 25%, at least!

I think this'll be great for the forums. MAYBE there's even a chance of Coleman showing up in the "newish" PIMI.

[Aphrodite]

Remember that PIMI is still mostly Vash's domain.

One of his conditions to getting this freedom back was the wiping out of the past.

That's mostly Kat and myself. Our alts compromise 73% of the mod team. (We're just uber like that)

Any hoodles, I'd like to submit a few potential names for the new PIMI, since the non trolling version is Kat's idea, she can name that one.

Prematurely Senile

Running With Scissors (lol I like Weird Al)

Playful Insults May Irritate (My personal favorite) (lol PIMI)

It's being called Corpus Vile. That was decided :P

Also Current Events should just stay Current Events. It's a classic GW name. It would be the rules getting altered.

[Banned]

Don't change PIMI.

That would be very... unwise.

[Vermin]

Yes...Quite unwise.

[Local Hero]

yes...very quite unwise.

[Aphrodite]

You guys are only helping.

[Local Hero]

actually i really don't care, i like mara's idea on the name. But i don't like the deleting all the threads, that makes me sad.

[Vermin]

I say if we delete PIMI, then we should have a "Golden Trash Can" forum where the legendary threads should go. That way the transition could be a bit easier.

[Aphrodite]

The threads only go back to November 2005.

Which as mara has said, you all think sucked.

[The JoZ]

Can I get some sort of credit for this?

I mean, ya'll expect me to believe that you've been thinking of this for months and months and are just now, today, after yours truly posted a large comment on this in the former Flagship Forum of GW...and now you're putting into action?

I feel right confident that I had at least a small hand in this monumental decision :link:

[Banned]

I've been a part of PIMI for a very long time. I've seen as much drama as anyone else can say they've seen, and I remember some of the cooler happenings at GW (colored usernames? oh yes). It's true, PIMI has gone downhill recently but I still don't think it should be altered in any way (unless to re-allow trolling and flaming again). The name of the forum is all we really have left, and I'm going to hang on to that piece of history as long as I can, or at least try my damndest to.

I don't care if it's such an "elite" forum. If people can't take the abuse, they shouldn't go anywhere near it. And while it's true we try to kick out every sh*tstump that comes along, we got a pretty decent number of cool characters recently. Just don't be a total spaz and we won't treat you like one.

Some would consider this change to PIMI a minute change, but it's much more than that. Certianly a new flow of members will come in.

There's no need to alter PIMI in such a manner. Why not just create another forum instead of mutilating PIMI? We've come so far, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say we've kept this site fairly lively, and we've been responsible for a hefty number of changes to the site. There's lots of history around PIMI, and we deserve to keep our dear forum. Thank you.

The threads only go back to November 2005.

Which as mara has said, you all think sucked.

It's much more than just that. Every single thing that made PIMI will effectively be destroyed. There's no point to this change. Just make another forum for arses to be arses in. We want our PIMI.

[Fire King]

I have to agree with Kelly. He raises some really good points. Though it may not seem it, I'm one of the oldest members of PIMI (as in I've been around for quite a while) and I'd hate to see what Whore dreamt up in some fevered acid trip or whatever go to waste after all these years.

[Benzine]

While I'm a new member to PIMI, I still don't want you to change it's name. Please, keep PIMI as the name.

[Aphrodite]

Make a topic in Clubs and Clans.

An entire forum is unnecessary.

[Local Hero]

really though, why make a name change?

what is there to gain by changing the name?

[Banned]

Make a topic in Clubs and Clans.

That's an outright ludicrous suggestion and you know it.

what is there to gain by changing the name?

Nothing more than what could be gotten from just making a new forum. A lot would be lost though.

[The JoZ]

You know, I think these guys make good arguments here.

If PIMI is already an uncensored anything goes discussion forum...why bother wiping it and changing it's name?

There's no real reason for it...

[Local Hero]

and really, you also have to admit, that there's more of a bond with pimi members than there is probably any where else.

we've all grown to be friends, and if you change pimi to some thing else, it's like our friendship means nothing :(

[The JoZ]

And if any of you think that changing the name and deleting threads is going to destroy whatever camaraderie has formed in there, you're going to be sadly mistaken...

[Banned]

Certainly not, but we like to have some place to call ours. Some place in which we can hang out and just goof off a bit. Don't we deserve it?

[Local Hero]

well whenever friendship is based largely on something, like pimi, changing it just defeats the feeling of where we originated from.

it's all about history and sentiments.

[Aphrodite]

If PIMI is already an uncensored anything goes discussion forum...

It isn't.

Certainly not, but we like to have some place to call ours. Some place in which we can hang out and just goof off a bit. Don't we deserve it?

No...

Even if we entertained such a possibility, why you?

[The JoZ]

I'm willing to bet any amount of money that the minute you try to launch this new "you can sorta flame and troll but not really" forum, people will abuse it, the mods will start getting tough, members will complain, and it will eventually be canned anyway.

Why not just keep the irreverent fun that is PIMI and let it be?

[Local Hero]

Even if we entertained such a possibility, why you?why you as in kelly? or pimi in general?

well either way, we've all earned our spot in the history of the forum, all presenting different personalities and and the like.

Without kelly, i'd be willing to bet that pimi would be a lot different, same goes for everybody.

[Banned]

Even if we entertained such a possibility, why you?

I'm going to be extremely cocky and say that we've made this site what it is. We've influenced so many changes and decisions, and I'm positive this site would more closely resemble a graveyard were there never any PIMI or PIMItes. At least, the Real Life section would.

[Cecil DK Knight]

Haven't most of the PIMI regulars been banned in some way or another? I've missed out on so much of the drama in there, that it's hard to just pop-in and try to figure out WTF is going on.

At least it seems a lot of the PIMI regulars aren't around anymore.

[Local Hero]

granted there are many divisions and many popular and active sections in gw.

But don't you think gamewinners might just be the same game forum if not for the originality and personal antics that pimi provides?

[Victoria]

I'm against it, too. Not just because Whore made it, but because 1) PIMI is a legendary forum, as corny as that sounds and 2) the idea is pointless. People are afraid to enter PIMI? Tough luck. They can go to the new Current Events forum instead. And like Kelly said, no one's going to tread you like a spaz if you don't act like one (although technically, it's allowed now).

I know, I don't stick my nose into PIMI anymore, but as one of the first mods and members it had I felt I needed to stick my two cents in.

[shortkut]

I'm going to be extremely cocky and say that we've made this site what it is. We've influenced so many changes and decisions, and I'm positive this site would more closely resemble a graveyard were there never any PIMI or PIMItes. At least, the Real Life section would.
then you would be responsible for the tightening of the rules you all complain about.

[Banned]

Haven't most of the PIMI regulars been banned in some way or another?

Yep.

I've missed out on so much of the drama in there, that it's hard to just pop-in and try to figure out WTF is going on.

The drama really only happens in the IRC channel. stay away from the irc channel

At least it seems a lot of the PIMI regulars aren't around anymore.

The only ones that got perma-banned are Sabator and Tommy. Jake got banned from just PIMI but now he can come back but he won't :(. Vamp died or something. The other, old, old folks kind of just disappeared very slowly.

[The JoZ]

I mean, I just came back to the forums, and I have only been going to PIMI because it's been fun.

I'm not part of any cliques, I have no idea what's transpired before I got back to the forums and don't care.

It's fun. It's silly, and pointless, and entertaining.

Retooling it is only going to invite people to flame and be more like the Thunderdome morons, and that's just what this forum needs.

[Local Hero]

I just really don't understand why it's necessarry to can pimi and make a totally new forum that's similar to pimi in almost every aspect.

then you would be responsible for the tightening of the rules you all complain about.It's true we often push the line, but do you want every member to be a straight buttoned, tucked in, comb your hair member? You have to have some life to distract from the boring.

[Cecil DK Knight]

The only ones that got perma-banned are Sabator and Tommy. Jake got banned from just PIMI but now he can come back but he won't :(. Vamp died or something. The other, old, old folks kind of just disappeared very slowly.
What about WER and Black Lotus?

Also, about the forum having the "elite" feel to it, it doesn't come off that way to me at least. It's more or less that 90% of the threads/posts are all inside jokes that pour over from the IRC channel/CS/Gunz and are made public in the forums. At least that's my take on it.

[shortkut]

GUYS, YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. TRY IT OUT AND SEE HOW IT IS. IF SOME HOW YOU ARE UNSATISFIED, EXPLAIN YOUR REASONS IN A WAY OTHER THAN "BUT WE WANT THE HISTORY"

[Local Hero]

okay, so if you'll delete it, and we don't like it, you'll resurrect it?

so pimi is like jesus.

[The JoZ]

I for one think more people should adopt my arguments. They make sense, and they don't involve any history.

Vote JoZ for...uh...PIMI Savior? :link:

[Shadow.]

then you would be responsible for the tightening of the rules you all complain about.
The rules in pimi, yes. But the rules of the whole site? Thats just silly.

[shortkut]

okay, so if you'll delete it, and we don't like it, you'll resurrect it?

so pimi is like jesus.
no one said that, but at the moment all you guys are doing is making it more likely that this will go through (it was at 100% before all this, now it is at 102%)

[Banned]

What about WER and Black Lotus?

Lotus lurks and is the current chief of the PIMI channel. WER comes in every now and then, I think. He's busy with real life. To be honest, I'm probably only here right now because it's like 1 in the morning and I'm on vacation to a boring city I visit all the time

GUYS, YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. TRY IT OUT AND SEE HOW IT IS. IF SOME HOW YOU ARE UNSATISFIED, EXPLAIN YOUR REASONS IN A WAY OTHER THAN "BUT WE WANT THE HISTORY"

Yes, because it's easy to get back all of the threads that will be deleted! Or are you suggesting that this forum be created beside PIMI, and PIMI will be left unharmed, because, cool! I suggested that on the first page!

[shortkut]

The rules in pimi, yes. But the rules of the whole site? Thats just silly.
you don't remember the members of pimi venturing to other forums solely for the purpose of causing trouble?

[Banned]

no one said that, but at the moment all you guys are doing is making it more likely that this will go through (it was at 100% before all this, now it is at 102%)

I like how you play advocate for the upper administration! If only your name was still green, your words might actually mean something :(

[shortkut]

Lotus lurks and is the current chief of the PIMI channel. WER comes in every now and then, I think. He's busy with real life. To be honest, I'm probably only here right now because it's like 1 in the morning and I'm on vacation to a boring city I visit all the time



Yes, because it's easy to get back all of the threads that will be deleted! Or are you suggesting that this forum be created beside PIMI, and PIMI will be left unharmed, because, cool! I suggested that on the first page!
soft deletes can be undeleted. they would be purged eventually, why wait?

[Local Hero]

my main argument is how unnecessary this whole thing is.

and i feel it hasn't really been explained, and all of the explanations provided don't make sense to me.

[Shadow.]

you don't remember the members of pimi venturing to other forums solely for the purpose of causing trouble?
and most of those members have been banned and learn their lesson.

[shortkut]

I like how you play advocate for the upper administration! If only your name was still green, your words might actually mean something :(
you think regular mods have no input on this? oh ye of little faith

[Blacklotus]

What about WER and Black Lotus?

did what now?

WER banned himself for reasons I have no clue about and I post things about things sometime but sometimes not. i'm touched you remember me though. :D

I honestly don't care about the name since it's still the same spirit. if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and spams pictures of leopards like a duck, then it's either a duck or a platypus. last I checked the GW server isn't in Australia, so all righty then.

[shortkut]

and most of those members have been banned and learn their lesson.
no one said the members haven't changed, but what is really so bad about this? you lose a bunch of threads that would eventually get purged. the name of the forum changes. you get trolling and flaming. looks like you guys get the better end of this.

[Cecil DK Knight]

did what now?

WER banned himself for reasons I have no clue about and I post things about things sometime but sometimes not. i'm touched you remember me though. :D

I honestly don't care about the name since it's still the same spirit. if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and spams pictures of leopards like a duck, then it's either a duck or a platypus. last I checked the GW server isn't in Australia, so all righty then.
Heh, all the other people I remember either got banned, requested to be banned (:hmm:), or have undergone name changes or by way of alt. accounts. I'm not active enough to keep up on all the sh*t that goes down here. Appearantly Vinny posts, but I have no idea who he is.

In short, thanks for keeping the same name and not getting banned lotus. :D

[Banned]

you think regular mods have no input on this? oh ye of little faith

I believe mods have some input, but I don't like how you seem to be dishing out the facts like you're the man that gets to outright make the final decision. If anything, that's a bit elite.

no one said the members haven't changed, but what is really so bad about this? you lose a bunch of threads that would eventually get purged. the name of the forum changes. you get trolling and flaming. looks like you guys get the better end of this.

You're either not paying well enough attention to my posts, or ignoring my poitns totally. More would be lost than a few crummy threads. We don't want a giant influx of people from... oh, say the dome, that think calling everyone a cockwhiffer is the epitome of hilarity. It's not right.

Heh, all the other people I remember either got banned, requested to be banned (), or have undergone name changes or by way of alt. accounts. I'm not active enough to keep up on all the sh*t that goes down here. Appearantly Vinny posts, but I have no idea who he is.

hello im smacktard/bargaingree-d :)

[The JoZ]

Hey you know what, f*ck it.

I know you guys have your PIMI history, but guys like me don't.

If they wanna rename everything, let them. Just adopt yourself as a "member of the forum formerly known as PIMI" and go about writing haikus and not having any fudge and doing what you normally do.

Just don't turn it into a Thunderdome Light, cause that's sh*t we don't need. Go bother Avenger and dan1556f if you want to actually "fight".

Let the stupidity reign!

[shortkut]

I believe mods have some input, but I don't like how you seem to be dishing out the facts like you're the man that gets to outright make the final decision. If anything, that's a bit elite.i'm dishing out facts like i know more about this than you.

You're either not paying well enough attention to my posts, or ignoring my poitns totally. More would be lost than a few crummy threads. We don't want a giant influx of people from... oh, say the dome, that think calling everyone a cockwhiffer is the epitome of hilarity. It's not right.then don't post or just ignore them. this is a new forum where anyone can post if they want to

[Local Hero]

anyone can post in pimi, as many new members already have.

[shortkut]

anyone can post in pimi, as many new members already have.
lets see if they do in the new forum.

[Isis]

Certainly not, but we like to have some place to call ours. Some place in which we can hang out and just goof off a bit. Don't we deserve it?
Which is the whole thing we're trying to "fix". Why can't other people have fun? If they don't fit into your mold of not being dumb or whatnot, y'all chase them out (like you said yourself in another quote around here somewhere). These forums are for all 80k members, not just the members of the PIMI forum who don't like others (not saying all PIMI members are like this). If you want some place where only the people you deem worthy can hang out, make your own forums.

And, if you'll read what I posted as my PM to Vinny, you'll see I said I'd be willing to keep the PIMI threads somewhere and not delete them for now, so that argument is also moot.


It's not going to be a dumbed down version of the Dome because the dome as most of us knew it doesn't exist anymore. The new forum going to have the same PIMI mods who know what it was like to allow some types of trolling and flaming and uncensored swearing and whatnot in fun. Just where you can say whatever is on your mind and not have to nice it down. Except that all members are welcome and not a small few.

[Aphrodite]

I like how you play advocate for the upper administration! If only your name was still green, your words might actually mean something :(

Mine is green, so watch the trolling.

[Cecil DK Knight]

These forums are for all 80k members, not just the members of the PIMI forum who don't like others (not saying all PIMI members are like this).
Of that, we're lucky if 2% remain active past a month of their join date(roughly 1600 members for the math-challenged).

[Banned]

Which is the whole thing we're trying to "fix". Why can't other people have fun? If they don't fit into your mold of not being dumb or whatnot, y'all chase them out (like you said yourself in another quote around here somewhere). These forums are for all 80k members, not just the members of the PIMI forum who don't like others (not saying all PIMI members are like this). If you want some place where only the people you deem worthy can hang out, make your own forums.

And, if you'll read what I posted as my PM to Vinny, you'll see I said I'd be willing to keep the PIMI threads somewhere and not delete them for now, so that argument is also moot.


It's not going to be a dumbed down version of the Dome because the dome as most of us knew it doesn't exist anymore. The new forum going to have the same PIMI mods who know what it was like to allow some types of trolling and flaming and uncensored swearing and whatnot in fun. Just where you can say whatever is on your mind and not have to nice it down. Except that all members are welcome and not a small few.

And why can't you just make the new one and leave PIMI the very same. What's wrong with that idea? It sounds like you're almost trying to force us to interact in different forums, or with different people. Is that really necessary?

[shortkut]

And why can't you just make the new one and leave PIMI the very same. What's wrong with that idea? It sounds like you're almost trying to force us to interact in different forums, or with different people. Is that really necessary?
and you accused me of being elitist :shake:

pimi would become irrelevant. there would be too many forums for anything off topic.

[Isis]

And why can't you just make the new one and leave PIMI the very same. What's wrong with that idea? It sounds like you're almost trying to force us to interact in different forums, or with different people. Is that really necessary?

Which is the whole thing we're trying to "fix". Why can't other people have fun? If they don't fit into your mold of not being dumb or whatnot, y'all chase them out (like you said yourself in another quote around here somewhere). These forums are for all 80k members, not just the members of the PIMI forum who don't like others (not saying all PIMI members are like this). If you want some place where only the people you deem worthy can hang out, make your own forums.

^^

[gamertech]

Also, about the forum having the "elite" feel to it, it doesn't come off that way to me at least. It's more or less that 90% of the threads/posts are all inside jokes that pour over from the IRC channel/CS/Gunz and are made public in the forums. At least that's my take on it.
Look, I'm not taking sides because I don't give a crap but let's call a spade a spade. As you just admitted, it's all a bunch of inside jokes and off-topic crap. Every time I've looked around there, every one seems to be referring to each other by names other than their user names, making it impossible for any "outsider" to follow what the hell is going on and who the hell anyone is responding to.

That's the very definition of "elite". Of the few, by the few, for the few = ELITISM.

As I've said before, I don't go there and don't give a crap either way but you all are just demonstrating in this very thread the things that are defunct in that little good 'ole boys club of yours.

[marasamune]

Um, calling people things other than their usernames isn't what was meant by elitism. It was because any new member that posted got trolled and flamed until they left.

Other names are because many people are on their second or third account, and we're calling them by their old username, or their real name, depending.

We have MANY new members posting in there as of late, it's gotten a lot better. Now due to two off topic forums (one with no trolling or flaming at ALL) there will be an option for members who simply don't like the crowd or the language in the more offensive one, however "GET OUT NOOB" will still not be allowed.

[Cecil DK Knight]

As you just admitted, it's all a bunch of inside jokes and off-topic crap. Every time I've looked around there, every one seems to be referring to each other by names other than their user names, making it impossible for any "outsider" to follow what the hell is going on and who the hell anyone is responding to.
That's what makes PIMI, PIMI. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, it's more unique to the forums. As far as other names, I'm pretty sure everyone calls eachother by their first name.

It's not like you're closed out from the 'circle' Shadow. has practically handed everyone an invitation that ventures into that forum. He tells people how to log on to the IRC channel and gives people the IP addresses for their CS stuff (I don't know, I don't play). If you think it's 'elite' now, you should've seen it about a year and a half ago.

[Bandicoot]

Also Current Events should just stay Current Events. It's a classic GW name. It would be the rules getting altered.

Just adding my penny, but I second that!

[Banned]

and you accused me of being elitist :shake:

Oh, I know we're elitist. I'm just saying, we're not the only ones.

pimi would become irrelevant. there would be too many forums for anything off topic.

Why can't you have 2? I'm pretty sure PIMI is the largest forum in the entire site.

Which is the whole thing we're trying to "fix". Why can't other people have fun? If they don't fit into your mold of not being dumb or whatnot, y'all chase them out (like you said yourself in another quote around here somewhere). These forums are for all 80k members, not just the members of the PIMI forum who don't like others (not saying all PIMI members are like this). If you want some place where only the people you deem worthy can hang out, make your own forums.

Other people can have fun with the new forum. There's no reason not to keep PIMI the same and just add the new forum. Thus the "Hey, make your own forum" argument is kinda moot.

By the way, as pathetic as it sounds, the whole "make your own forum" thing would fail us so badly. Anyone who's ever been a part of recent PIMI knows that something will go wrong. So as pathetic as it sounds, we need you guys to sort of shepherd us.

Look, I'm not taking sides because I don't give a crap but let's call a spade a spade. As you just admitted, it's all a bunch of inside jokes and off-topic crap. Every time I've looked around there, every one seems to be referring to each other by names other than their user names, making it impossible for any "outsider" to follow what the hell is going on and who the hell anyone is responding to.

It's really not hard to become a so-called "regular" in there. Just make an effort when you post (which you seem to be doing) and use common sense and you'll pretty much be accepted. In addition, I think that it's only Aphrodite and I who are referred to by our first names.

That's what makes PIMI, PIMI. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, it's more unique to the forums. As far as other names, I'm pretty sure everyone calls eachother by their first name.

I think it's just me and Aphrodite that get called by our first names on a regular basis.

[Tom]

Kelly I think you're doing that cause more harm than good by the second. This is a comprimise. We're getting something resembling the old PIMI back, but, because we've pretty much managed to sh*t all over everyone else and piss people off, mostly undeservedly or at least somewhat OTT, they're getting rid of the name.

It's irritating, sure, but it's a fair trade. Apart from asking nicely, which has already been tried and failed, it's pretty much useless doing anything else. We've no right to ask for anything else.

Look, with trolling and light flaming on, if someone posts something dumb, you can still say so. There will still be a load of people there. Hell you never know, people might find that they don't all hate Coleman when they're posting in the same forum as him.

(Coleman, incidentally, if the exact same changes were made but the name was kept as PIMI, you wouldn't post there, right? Out of pride, a bit? I'm not suggesting this is wrong, merely pointing out that you're an example of people that need to be accomodated.)

[Banned]

Kelly I think you're doing that cause more harm than good by the second. This is a comprimise. We're getting something resembling the old PIMI back, but, because we've pretty much managed to sh*t all over everyone else and piss people off, mostly undeservedly or at least somewhat OTT, they're getting rid of the name.

You're a bit out of the loop, so I'll have to inform you. We'll get nothing resembling the old PIMI. It'll basically be a forum exactly as PIMI is now, but with a different name and new members. Trolling and flaming is allowed, but it must be light. We already have that in PIMI.

It's irritating, sure, but it's a fair trade. Apart from asking nicely, which has already been tried and failed, it's pretty much useless doing anything else. We've no right to ask for anything else.

It's not a fair trade. We're trading what we already have for something exactly the same, but with new members and stuff. Sure this is great for some people, but I haven't really heard any non-moderator members speak up in favor of the idea.

Look, with trolling and light flaming on, if someone posts something dumb, you can still say so. There will still be a load of people there. Hell you never know, people might find that they don't all hate Coleman when they're posting in the same forum as him.

I'm wondering if we'd be able to say "Hey, get the f*ck out of here!" or we'd stay with the same "It would please me most were you to stop posting in here as much as you're used to" type thing we have to say now.

[marasamune]

This is what is happening, ok, THIS:

PIMI is getting deleted. Kaput. Dead. Gone.

A NEW FORUM is being made. It will allow light trolling and flaming.

There will be a second forum made, which will also be pimi-ish, but will not allow trolling or flaming at ALL.

I guess you could say PIMI had two personalities split, kill pimi, and set up shop. The Cain and Abel of forums.

It's dead, let it go. You've all said how much you hate it as of late anyway. This is the compromise that must be met. I wanted a full on Thunderdome/PIMI merge, but I got met halfway.

I'm sure after a week of it, you'll find that it's still a pretty good letting loose of the rules, and it was quite worth a name change. There's even talk of letting you guys have a thread graveyard for the old PIMI threads.

In conclusion: Let it go. I keep hearing how much better last year was for PIMI. I was here last year, and all I heard was how much better the year before that was. Liking something just because it's old is a bit silly, and whining about a menial loss to gain something you've been clamoring for should seem like the greatest trade ever. It's just a name. Seriously. Just a name. Let. It. Go.

[Tom]

You're a bit out of the loop, so I'll have to inform you. We'll get nothing resembling the old PIMI. It'll basically be a forum exactly as PIMI is now, but with a different name and new members. Trolling and flaming is allowed, but it must be light. We already have that in PIMI.
PIMI isn't really allowing trolling. A tiny bit, but it's still close to the line and risky. And certainly not flaming. No.
A name is a name. It has sentimental value, but it's not crucial. I think Shortkut's right. We need to "Suck it and see", so to speak. :D


It's not a fair trade. We're trading what we already have for something exactly the same, but with new members and stuff. Sure this is great for some people, but I haven't really heard any non-moderator members speak up in favor of the idea.
See this is where you're making everything and everyone look bad again. Bear in mind that when someone who posts in PIMI says something people tend to assume everyone thinks the same. We have no god given right to be pandered to as a group. The expressed aim of the reshuffling of Real Life was to break down cliques and to mix up and member groups a little! By arguing that this will be the result, you're going nowhere.


I'm wondering if we'd be able to say "Hey, get the f*ck out of here!" or we'd stay with the same "It would please me most were you to stop posting in here as much as you're used to" type thing we have to say now.

That's where we'll have to put a little trust in the mods. Why should we be allowed to say that to just anyone? If someone comes in and acts like a total tw*t (Captainpain?) and that happens, I'm guessing the mods will let it go. If it amounts to bullying, it won't be. That's my guess, anyway. Like I said, we'll have to wait and see.

[Victoria]

One more thing.

It's kinda funny how this change should only take place now. These problems were truly evident around a year ago. Yes, back most new members automatically got shunned and the forum was overflowing with flames and spam. It isn't now, though. And hasn't been for a while. New people have popped up. The regulars aren't boycotting the mods. No one is raiding other forums, posting crap by mass numbers, either.

Yet you only do something about it now, when everything's calmed down.

Mmm yeah...

Anyway... Don't get me wrong, I know that nothing will change and frankly, I don't give a damn. The idea is stupid and unneeded, but hell, it really doesn't matter. Guess you could put "forum formerly knownas PIMI" in the forum description as a compromise, but again, it doesn't really matter.

[Banned]

I really don't feel like arguing this anymore, cause I can see I'm getting nowhere.

Just wondering, what'll happen to the PIMI comics?

[Tom]

I really don't feel like arguing this anymore, cause I can see I'm getting nowhere.

Just wondering, what'll happen to the PIMI comics?
I think mara will keep them, possibly even keep the sticky, from what he was saying to me earlier.

[~Lightning~]

Um, calling people things other than their usernames isn't what was meant by elitism. It was because any new member that posted got trolled and flamed until they left.

Some of us managed to ignore the hazing process :D

To be honest I don't get all the bitching about the new forum, I'm always seeing people complain about not being able to troll (Even in a friendly manner) their fellow PIMItes so why complain now you can finally do it?

[Gorge]

So does this mean if PIMI is uncensored that we'll be allowed to use vulgar language. Or are we still blocked from doing that?

And I don't mind clearing out all old topics. I go in that forum every once in a while and the whole forum is like one big inside joke. I don't understand half the crap that goes on in there.

[Aphrodite]

I'm pretty sure PIMI is the largest forum in the entire site.

For the record, that's actually Clubs and Clans. The splits stay in PIMI because of the posts being off making it look bigger.

So does this mean if PIMI is uncensored that we'll be allowed to use vulgar language. Or are we still blocked from doing that?

I'm not really a fan of how it's being worded.

What it means is that you'll be able to post like how you chat with your friends on messengers or IRC or something (With a few exceptions... no slurs, of course), more than it will 'allow trolling and flaming'.

[Banned]

What it means is that you'll be able to post like how you chat with your friends on messengers or IRC or something (With a few exceptions... no slurs, of course), more than it will 'allow trolling and flaming'.

So basically... the exact same thing PIMI is all about at this moment?

[Ants!]

This whole thing IS pointless. I don't buy into any of the bull reasons for doing it. So what if people are scared to enter? It's not like they don't have the rest of the site to enjoy! And you know what? Up until a few months ago, I was an outsider too, but I'm pretty well accepted there now. Just because some people are too lazy to TRY to be accepted it should be ruined for the rest of us? Thanks for making all of my hard work and personal accomplishments meaningless.

Not only that, but this will be absolutely fruitless. You know that "the eliteist" as you call us will be in the new forum as well, and yet somehow allowing trolling and flaming is going to make it better! So you piss us off by taking away the name and then allow us to flame? BRILLIANT! But seriously, if the name is so meaningless and unimportant as you all claim, then why are you so adamant about changing it?

I recall Vash telling us that he has been constantly fighting for the forums right to be around. Isn't it a little strange that he's not here, and SUDDENLY it's going to be deleted? Make the little kiddie-pool forum, but leave ours alone, and don't pull this crap before Vash gets back!

[Vermin]

They way I look it it is: Would you want the U.S. to be annexed by Canada just so you could smoke pot?

Same thing.

[marasamune]

For the record, that's actually Clubs and Clans. The splits stay in PIMI because of the posts being off making it look bigger.



I'm not really a fan of how it's being worded.

What it means is that you'll be able to post like how you chat with your friends on messengers or IRC or something (With a few exceptions... no slurs, of course), more than it will 'allow trolling and flaming'.
The entire point of this was to 'allow trolling and flaming', then it got knocked down to 'moderate trolling and flaming, with no flaming or fights merely for the sake of it' and that's the wording, because it's the spirit of why the forum is being made. It's also the reason that there is a second forum being made, which will not allow those things. If we're going to make it just like PIMI is now, I see absolutely no point in having two versions of it, or even really changing PIMI at all.

Trolling and flaming being allowed is the entire reason I ever brought it up at all.

That being said, I'm sure we're both in agreement that it will not be the thunderdome jr. by any means.

Oh, speaking of which, I'm typing up a rough draft of the rules of the forum in Word, and I'd like you to look over them when they are done so we can hammer them out to avoid loopholes, and such.

[Ants!]

I said what I had to say, and I know it's not going to change anything so I'll just wait and see what happens and try to make peace with it.

[marasamune]

I'm quite positive everyone will be pleased with it. Even if it takes a few days to get used to.

I'm just asking that you all do me a favor and give it a chance.

[Ants!]

I'm more than willing to give it a chance, but I think that the real hang up with most of us is this: If we end up liking it, everything is fine, but if we don't, and we find that we liked the old forum more, what then? It's just that there is a lot of doubt that this is something we can go back on.

[marasamune]

It's happening either way, so I'm just asking that you don't start hating it before it exists.

[Aphrodite]

So what if people are scared to enter?

Everything. A public forum that part of the site is made unwelcome in is an unnecessary forum. This site does not exist for PIMI.

I recall Vash telling us that he has been constantly fighting for the forums right to be around. Isn't it a little strange that he's not here, and SUDDENLY it's going to be deleted?

PIMI's deletion was Vash's only input on the whole thing.

Vash mostly gave up trying to help them with anything the day he left their IRC channel.

I'm more than willing to give it a chance, but I think that the real hang up with most of us is this: If we end up liking it, everything is fine, but if we don't, and we find that we liked the old forum more, what then?

It matters more what everyone but PIMI thinks of it, actually. We'll see what the new people think, and what we think.

They way I look it it is: Would you want the U.S. to be annexed by Canada just so you could smoke pot?

Same thing.

The States wouldn't. Canada would. Guess which one you are.

You can't smoke pot in Canada, by the way.

[Ants!]

Well I respectfully disagree (except for the part about Vash, because I already asked mara about it). But I won't type up a rebuttal because, like you said, how PIMI feels about PIMI's deletion means didily-squat to you.

[Vermin]

The States wouldn't. Canada would. Guess which one you are.Well, I said that to explain why the whole "LOL KEEP NAME PLZ" thing was important to some of us. Canada sucks anyways.

You can't smoke pot in Canada, by the way.
THE LOCAL POTHEADS HAVE LIED TO ME! I shall...deal with them.

[Ants!]

Same here. I was just wanting to show that some of us do have legitimate reasons for being against this thing. And I should probably clarify for mara's sake: it isn't the new forum that people object to. Just the scrapping of the old forum which, by the way, doesn't make much sense to me if the whole idea is to get rid of elitism. If the old forum is done away with, "the elitist" will just move into the new forum and make it there own, and in the end nothing will have come out of this whole thing apart from PIMI having been deleted for no reason.

To reiterate, I am not saying all of this to try to fight it, because I accept the inevitable now. I just wanted to clarify a few things because it seemed like there is a bit of a misunderstanding.