All of My Questions in one thread!

[Hockeyruler]

okay was Bilbo's Last Song a real novel or was it something for little kids?

and after Melkor was destroyed or banished, and Men were sent to valinor (that was the island's name right?) i was totaly lost. when i first read about one person who created ships and set up docks on the mainland, i thought of the people on that island as elves. but when i read about them wanting to leave i thought of them as men. i'm pretty sure they're men but i was really confused. So what was that islands name?

how exactly was Melkor banished? (i forgot...)

[Inlé_rah]

and after Melkor was destroyed or banished, and Men were sent to valinor (that was the island's name right?) i was totaly lost.
No. That was Numenor. It was a special gift of the Valar to the men that had helped them defeat Morgoth at the end of the First Age. It, however, was within sight of the blessed realm of Valinor. The Numenorians were actually forbidden from setting foot on Valinor. That didn't end well.

when i first read about one person who created ships and set up docks on the mainland, i thought of the people on that island as elves. but when i read about them wanting to leave i thought of them as men. i'm pretty sure they're men but i was really confused. So what was that islands name?
Now you might be thinking of Tol Eressea. The Teleri lived there for a time, and Ulmo taught them the art of shipmaking.

how exactly was Melkor banished? (i forgot...)
Hmm. Basically he was shut outside the Door of Night. Since rehabilitating him didn't exactly work, this time it had been tried, he was banished forever to the Void and kept out by inpenetrable walls. Though I think that there is something about him breaking the Door and returning to Arda for a 'final battle'.

[Tokito's Girl]

okay was Bilbo's Last Song a real novel or was it something for little kids?
I think it was just something he made for little kids.

[Hockeyruler]

have you read it though?

and on my second question i was talking about Numenor.

which makes it all clear now!

weren't the telerie slaughtered? it was finrod who killed them right? he wanted ships so he could follow his jewels.

[Inlé_rah]

weren't the telerie slaughtered? it was finrod who killed them right? he wanted ships so he could follow his jewels.
That was mostly Fëanor and his sons. The Silmarils were Fëanor's works. But Finrod was almost certainly a participant.

The Noldor, led by Fëanor and his sons, tried to persuade the Teleri to give him their ships, but the Teleri would not help in any way against the will of the Valar who had told Fëanor to stay put. Basically, then the Feanorians drew swords, and the Teleri their bows. When some more of the Noldor showed up, (Fingolfin, Finarfin and kin) they thought that the Teleri had attacked them and joined in. Though most of them (Finarfin being the notable exception) did continue to Middle Earth against the will of the Valar, for spilling the blood of their kin in the blessed realm, they were cursed by Mandos to get the crap beaten out of them for 200+ pages.

[Hockeyruler]

lols, i remember that doom part. those idiots...

but about the book, does anybody kow for sure if its a novel?

[Inlé_rah]

lols, i remember that doom part. those idiots...
I make fun of that part of it enough myself, as can be evidenced by having posted the 1000 Word Silmarillion a few times in the past. :D

But on the other hand, if you don't have any sympathy for Feanor, the Silmarillion is a whole lot less interesting. He's not anywhere near as sympathetic a character as Lucifer in Milton's Paradise Lost, but there is kind of a "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" momentum to the rebellion of the Noldor (moreso than there was even with Melkor's rebellion) that I'm pretty sure was intentional.

but about the book, does anybody kow for sure if its a novel?
It's a poem, that Bilbo sings at the Grey Havens, as he is about to leave Middle-earth forever, but the poem itself was written after LotR and is not included or referenced in it.



Bilbo's Last Song (At the Grey Havens)

Day is ended, dim my eyes,
but journey long before me lies.
Farewell, friends! I hear the call.
The ship's beside the stony wall.
Foam is white and waves are grey;
beyond the sunset leads my way.
Foam is salt, the wind is free;
I hear the rising of the Sea.

Farewell, friends! The sails are set,
the wind is east, the moorings fret.
Shadows long before me lie,
beneath the ever-bending sky,
but islands lie behind the Sun
that I shall raise ere all is done;
lands there are to west of West,
where night is quiet and sleep is rest.

Guided by the Lonely Star,
beyond the utmost harbour-bar,
I'll find the heavens fair and free,
and beaches of the Starlit Sea.
Ship, my ship! I seek the West,
and fields and mountains ever blest.
Farewell to Middle-earth at last.
I see the Star above my mast!

There you have it.

[AlecTrevylan006]

But on the other hand, if you don't have any sympathy for Feanor, the Silmarillion is a whole lot less interesting. He's not anywhere near as sympathetic a character as Lucifer in Dante's Paradise Lost, but there is kind of a "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" momentum to the rebellion of the Noldor (moreso than there was even with Melkor's rebellion) that I'm pretty sure was intentional.

Wasn't Paradise Lost Milton?

Dante wrote the Divine Comedy (yay inferno) and I didn't seem to get that Satan was sympathetic in that...

[Inlé_rah]

Wasn't Paradise Lost Milton?
Yeah... I can't beleive I did that. I was probably thinking about the the Divine Comedy as well, and I just didn't keep my thoughts separate. This is why I shouldn't post on 4 hours sleep. Paradiso turns into Paradise Lost and who knows what else. Next I'm going to be saying that J.K. Rowling or C.S. Lewis wrote Lord of the Rings. :blush:

Ah wells...I hope I didn't do anything of that ilk on my econ test this morning... I want sleep, and if I wasn't working right now, I'd take some. (Yes. I am doing work. I'm listening to music for orchestra right now.)

Dante wrote the Divine Comedy (yay inferno) and I didn't seem to get that Satan was sympathetic in that...
No. Not in the least. And that is probably why I was thinking about Dante in the back of my head. Such a drastic difference...

[Hockeyruler]

Paradiso turns into Paradise Lost and who knows what else. Next I'm going to be saying that J.K. Rowling or C.S. Lewis wrote Lord of the Rings.

lols well of course they didn't! George Lucas did!

i read a summary for Bilbo's Last Poem, and it sounded like it was a discription of Bilbo leaving middle earth, the song, and the voyage.

ahhh well.

[Inlé_rah]

lols well of course they didn't! George Lucas did!
No! George Lucas created Star Trek!

[Hockeyruler]

nu uh! (trys to think of another space show.....fails)

why didn't the gods kill Melkor at the start?

[Inlé_rah]

why didn't the gods kill Melkor at the start?
I'm not so sure they can, him being a thoughts of Iluvatar and all...

I think the stupider thing was that after the Valar waged war on him the first time, shortly after the firstborn awoke, they brought him back to Valior, kept him in the Halls of Mandos for three ages, and then tried to rehabilitate him. Prior to that, Melkor had destroyed the two lamps of the Valar, causing them to retreat to Valinor. Untill the Valar decided to intervene for the sake of the elves, Melkor pretty much held dominion over Middle-earth from Utumno in the North. Yet they let him out, envyous as he was of the Valar and hating the elves because it was on their behalf that the Valar ended his first dominion. Yeah. That turned out well.

[Tokito's Girl]

No! George Lucas created Star Trek!

Lol, Gene roddenberry created Star Trek. Lucas created Star Wars.

[Inlé_rah]

Lol, Gene roddenberry created Star Trek. Lucas created Star Wars.
Irony: It's the new pink.

[Hockeyruler]

lol, i'll remember that.

how many "ages" were there?