Official discussion on MGS4! News and Speculation (Spoilers within)

[woglepsgod]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/news_6133188.html

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Let's put it this way. MGS4 IS an epic...

Short info:

- Snake's "Eyepatch" is probably linked to the small "Metal Gear: Mark II" that's similar to the one in Snatcher
- It's set in a warzone during a time of internal conflict (probably due to the excess of Metal Gears)
- Killing a soldier may align you with one side, therefore making enemies with another...

[andy666]

you could see it. when they were both in sort of shadowyness (hahaha, made up a word) you can see that it perfectly fits.

nice one wogle.

[woglepsgod]

you could see it. when they were both in sort of shadowyness (hahaha, made up a word) you can see that it perfectly fits.

nice one wogle.

Shadowyness is a great made-up word!

Anyway, I guess this means more theories on "The Boss". So far the overall idea is that Snake somehow finds out the truth about her. perhaps prior to this he knew the truth about Big Boss.

[andy666]

i could also say shadedness, darknedlyness ect ect.

i bet there will be a lot of twists about the boss, and many things about big boss. maybe snake (solid) will have flash backs, i mean considering he is a clone. so maybe he will have memories that surface about events he wasnt there for, like he will remember fighting boss, but only vagly (sp?)

[Powerslave]

*split*

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451314

[.Shibby.]

Here's a picture and a gif animation of what appears to be YOUNG Snake in MGS4 from the TGS 2006 footage.

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[James89]

Anyone know when this game is supposed to come out?

[Armageddon Sunset]

this holiday season or next, the last time I heard.

[James89]

Thanks. Hopefully the price of the PS3 drops before it comes out.

[James89]

HAs anyone seen the new trailer? It was awesome. The Vamp/Raiden fight in the second part was amazing.

[Grave_Digger]

HAs anyone seen the new trailer? It was awesome. The Vamp/Raiden fight in the second part was amazing.

Just got done watching it and it looks good. I noticed some framerate issues that need to be worked out though. I'm so happy they finally released and English trailer.

[James89]

Not sure what framerate means, but if you are talking about how the hair never moves, then yea, I'm sure they will have that fixed by the final product.

[Grave_Digger]

What I mean is that the picture seemed jumpy and felt off somewhat. Did I hear right that all those soldiers were dieing/driven mad by FOXDIE?

[James89]

I think so. Apparently FOXDIE was part of the first generation nano machines. The solider today have 3rd generation nanos. I'm pretty sure thats true.

[Armageddon Sunset]

hey guys, could you post a link to the new trailer? thanks.

[Grave_Digger]

Here you go, courtesy of www.GameTrailers.com :)

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21582.html

[Hermit]

Guys, there's gameplay footage! (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22703.html)

It's all looking super sweet. I'm a little unsure about whether the game is going to seem too scripted when you're sneaking past two factions in battle. If you sit and watch them, will the same people be shot and killed each time?

Kinda interesting to see Snake's new movement animations. There's definitely more moves to perform while lying on the ground; it's obvious that when you're in a battle you want to be as low as possible. Then there's a judo choke move that seems homoerotic... and the fact that Snake grabs the groin of a held up person is so very MGS. Kojima mentions one or two moves done in the trailer that are performed using SIXAXIS, which is nice to see Sony's ripoff- sorry, 'new technology' is being put to use.

More observations from the new vid: the pause menu has temperature, wind direction and humidity. And judging from the camo options that are seen for a split second (fixed pattern and 'save camo'), it appears to be that snake may be able to save the octocamo's current pattern to be used at any time. I'm stumped as to how that could ever be useful. Oh, and I have to add at how pleased I am that the octocam obviously eliminates the need to go through pause menus every time Snake sneaks onto a different surface. :D

[Grave_Digger]

Guys, there's gameplay footage! (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22703.html)

It's all looking super sweet. I'm a little unsure about whether the game is going to seem too scripted when you're sneaking past two factions in battle. If you sit and watch them, will the same people be shot and killed each time?

Kinda interesting to see Snake's new movement animations. There's definitely more moves to perform while lying on the ground; it's obvious that when you're in a battle you want to be as low as possible. Then there's a judo choke move that seems homoerotic... and the fact that Snake grabs the groin of a held up person is so very MGS. Kojima mentions one or two moves done in the trailer that are performed using SIXAXIS, which is nice to see Sony's ripoff- sorry, 'new technology' is being put to use.

More observations from the new vid: the pause menu has temperature, wind direction and humidity. And judging from the camo options that are seen for a split second (fixed pattern and 'save camo'), it appears to be that snake may be able to save the octocamo's current pattern to be used at any time. I'm stumped as to how that could ever be useful. Oh, and I have to add at how pleased I am that the octocam obviously eliminates the need to go through pause menus every time Snake sneaks onto a different surface. :D

I watched it the day it first came out about a week ago. I wonder if the Cardboard Box will still be in the game not that they added an oil drum. The new camo system definelty has shows great potential. When he pretended he was a statue I was salivating. I'm very happy you can now move while in FPS view and I'm assuming it's toggled on/off since he said you could play the whole game like that if you wanted.

[Badly Drawn Boy]

I think the cardboard box will be in it still, its an MGS trademark, but it will be used for indoor areas, as no doubt near the end of the game, Snake will penetrate some sort of facility in order to finish his mission.

When I saw this the other day, It made me want the game more, the graphics are excellent, and the new camo system doesn't seem to detract form gameplay, as it looks like you can more or less just copy whatever surface you are on, except the statue and maybe a few others of course.

I also like the way it doesn't seem like you will be 'punished' for killing people, as it looks like you have to now, seeing as you are playing in a war zone.

Anyway, yeah, this game is looking great, I hope it's longer than the others.

[Armageddon Sunset]

watch the new TGS 07 trailer....Liquid is piloting MG RAY while Snake is in a damaged MG REX...on what appears to be Shadow Moses...and Olga's child is reveiled to us.

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs4/en/

[Griever]

Um...yeah....that trailer with The Beauty and The Beast.....did anyone else have kinda glazed over eyes and the constant mutterings of "wtf!?" going through they're head?

Oh Hideo.....how you come up with your ideas no one shall ever know. In the meantime...Bow down to you I do.


Rex vs. Ray....wow! Amazing! Glorious! That BETTER be the second to last boss battle! (Final of course being hand to hand (or something of that effect) Snake vs. Liquid Ocelot) End it where it began.

This game is gonna be so freaking sweet! What's the most updated release date? I think last I head was Spring of '08 (Just in time for graduation :D)

[Armageddon Sunset]

thats a damged REX, the REX from MGS1....the cockpit is open, the radome damaged, the rail gun missing. you are basically a sitting duck with only the laser, the vulcan cannons, and the leg missles....and RAY is an Anti-MG, Snake is so screwed in that battle.

[James89]

thats a damged REX, the REX from MGS1....the cockpit is open, the radome damaged, the rail gun missing. you are basically a sitting duck with only the laser, the vulcan cannons, and the leg missles....and RAY is an Anti-MG, Snake is so screwed in that battle.

Just like he was screwed against the HIND and REX? Yea, this game will for sure bring back Snake's bad ass ness.

This one looks like by far the best one of the series yet.

Also, did anyone notice Raiden dying in the trailer? Its at the 4:10 point in the trailer. I think we know who wins Raiden vs Vamp :-(

[ton]

yea i noticed,:(. I really liked raiden from MGs2)well its a shame he has to die

[hexleo]

snake was "born" in 1972, he is at least 37 in mgs2. all the other characters haven't aged too much, i'd say no more than 10 years, that makes snake 47 tops, how could he look so old?
or is it the gene manipulation effect? is it catching up to him or somthing?

[James89]

Its the rapid aging of the genes I believe. Thats what made Solidus so old, I think.

[Armageddon Sunset]

the cloning technology used to cloned snake was inferior.....the geneitc make up is breaking down faster then a normal person, hence the accelerated aging.

[RubyDragon]

Anyone know if the TGS 07 trailer can be downloaded from somewhere yet? Trying to view it off of Konami's site isn't working for me.

[James89]

Check out this Metal Gear site.

metalgearsolid.org

I'm sure they will have it.

[Metal Gear Azn]

The genes used to clone Solid Snake is breakin down and accelarating due to FOXDIE, Remember Naomi programmed it to a random number? Its apparently affecting his genes at his state.
Also, You get to costomize weapons during game-play is awesome, You can attach scopes, Ect.
Also the [[damaged]] REX vs [[Ray from MGS2]] RAY is going to almost even, Remember REX's cockpit is open, So Snake can jump out freely and begin fireing a side-arm or assault rifle. But this also means Liquid Ocelot can do the same thing, Although the cockpit is closed he can open it during battle as the RAY gets damaged.

REX
Leg Missles- Can repel RAY's leg missles and homing missles
Laser - Same as RAY's
Vulcan Cannons -Repel the missles, attack Ray, ect.
Cockpit [[Open]] -Snake can fire any firearm he wants from the cockpit, Not only just operating it but working with it as himself.

RAY
Homing Missles -Repel Leg Missles
Leg Missles - Same as 'Homing'
Vulcan Cannons - You know what they do
Laser - Same as REX's
Cockpit[[Closed]] - Not much Liquid Ocelot can do but operate from inside unless its blown off.

Raiden is supposed to die, I guess. He is wearing an exoskeleton like Gray Fox's so it might take the same effect on Raiden since Snake still contains FOXDIE in him. The Exoskeleton may be programmed to malfunction and destroy the body that come in range of FOXDIE

[Major Isoor]

Raiden is supposed to die, I guess. He is wearing an exoskeleton like Gray Fox's so it might take the same effect on Raiden since Snake still contains FOXDIE in him. The Exoskeleton may be programmed to malfunction and destroy the body that come in range of FOXDIE

Raiden is supposed to die!? Even after the whole "but there WILL be a metal gear solid 5" thing from his girlfriend on MGS3! :cry: But still, it just makes me want to get the PS3 more, to see what happens! :D

[Armageddon Sunset]

The genes used to clone Solid Snake is breakin down and accelarating due to FOXDIE, Remember Naomi programmed it to a random number?

this is a misquote and Im tired of hearing it, and unless you can give me solid prove (no pun intended) on this, but Hideo himself has gone on record saying that the leading cause to Snake's rapid aging is the breakdown of the genes due to the inferior cloning technology available when he was cloned. Proof of this is with Solidus, look at how old he looks compared to Snake, they are both clones created at the same time, and as far as we know Solidus was never exposed to FOXDIE. sure FOXDIE might cause some of the aging but the main cause is the inferior technology used to clone him.

[Major Isoor]

this is a misquote and Im tired of hearing it, and unless you can give me solid prove (no pun intended) on this, but Hideo himself has gone on record saying that the leading cause to Snake's rapid aging is the breakdown of the genes due to the inferior cloning technology available when he was cloned. Proof of this is with Solidus, look at how old he looks compared to Snake, they are both clones created at the same time, and as far as we know Solidus was never exposed to FOXDIE. sure FOXDIE might cause some of the aging but the main cause is the inferior technology used to clone him.

I thought snake was the original. :confused: :blush: Well, that's what you get for not getting MGS1. So... who IS the original?

[Griever]

THE original is Big Boss himself. But as for the original clone, there isn't one. If I recall they made....8 clones of Big Boss. All at the same time. Solid, Liquid and Solidus all came from that batch. In MGS1 Liquid says the 6 brothers were killed off to promotoe gene supieriority in Liquid and Solid. Now I'm a bit rusty here....havent played SoL in YEARS. I believe Solidus was a part of those 6, but he was not killed off. Correct if I'm wrong.

[Major Isoor]

THE original is Big Boss himself.
Big Boss? Wasn't that Snake's mentor in MGS3? (and old MG ones too, as I remember) Is BB in MGS1? Is he dead? *Starts getting stressed and starts ripping out hair :D :P*

[Griever]

Big Boss = The original Snake. The one you are in MGS3
Boss = Big Boss's mentor. The woman in MGS3
Solid Snake = Clone of Big Boss. The one you are in MGS1, beginning of MGS2 and MGS4

Before you play this I would highly suggest playing through the entire series again. You really can't play it once and fully understand it. Takes a few times.

[James89]

Yea it took me about 4 or 5 times to get MGS2.

And, am I the only one who is getting a PS3 JUST for MGS4?

[Griever]

Well that was my original reason. But now there are so many other games coming out that I want. But I would still get it if MGS4 was the only game coming out.

[Metal Gear Azn]

When i said Raiden is supposed to die, I wasn't exacly sure, I guess they had to kill him off to keep MGS5 going. Maybe a newer clone? Similar to Raiden i guess? MGS5 is far off so its not that important right now.

And i knew about the accelarated gene thing, Its just i implied that FOXDIE was effecting it in some way.

Does Vamp die in the process too? Im not exacly sure.

Also maybe the ''Patriots'' are trying to kill off Raiden because he knows the existence of them, and since he knows he wants to get rid of the patriots for messing with him in MGS2, they want to kill him using the FOXDIE program. They could of injected Vamp or Olga's son with a new FOXDIE type.

[Griever]

I'm gonna have to agree with the exoskeleton theory. I'm guessing Raiden undergoes some traumatic event and the exoskeleton is needed to keep him alive and eventually the suit isn't good enough. I mean just look at his eyes when he is alive...pretty creepy. And I would be fine him dying. Not because I don't like him, I do. But I hate it in a series when characters refuse to die off. It's a disservice to the fans by taking away that realism. But even ifRaiden dies....it better be in some kick-a$$ way and for a good reason. Preferably sacrificing himse.....wait.....wasn't Radien's vitals hooked up to Olga's Child? (forget her name) Wasnt it one of those if he dies she dies kinda things?? Oh that Hideo....always throwing us curveballs.

Oh, and btw, technically Vamp is already dead. He died years before even MGS2. However now, after dying once, he's immortal. He can't die. At least not by any means that we know of.

[James89]

I think I posted somewhere in this thread where you can see Raiden dieing in the latest trailer. Or at least it looked like he died.

[Griever]

Well I think something we all have to take into account when we watch these videos...Hideo intentionally reveals what he wants to make us think what we want. I can guarantee he threw that in there just to make us ask quesion. I mean come on guys....this is HIDEO KOJIMA we're talking about and this is the fourth time around for this kinda thing. I think the ONLY guarantee that we can say right now is that this game will not dissapoint and rise well above and beyond any expectations we have right now.

[Armageddon Sunset]

or Olga's son with a new FOXDIE type.

Olga had a daughter, her name is Sunny, watch the newest MGS4 trailers.

and as far as the clones, Solidus, Solid and Liquid. they were all cloned at the same time, Liquid believed that 6 were destroyed to strengthen the remainin two, unknown to Liquid and Solid that there was indeed a third clone Solidus.

Solidus is an identical clone of Big Boss. Solid's and Liquid's genes were seperated, one got the inferior genes, the other the superior. Liquid believes he got the inferior genes and "dies" thinking this. after the credits Ocelot reveals in a phone conversation to the president (who is actually Solidus) that Liqiud had the superior soldier genes, and that Solid Snake is the inferior one.

and did anyone notice the names of the members of the main enemy unit the Beauty and the Beast? Their names are Laughing Octopus, Screaming Mantis, Crying Wolf, and Raging Raven. their animal call signs parallel the FoxHound members of Shadow Moses. a nod to teh past or a more significant connection?
the unit however consists of innocent bystanders caught up in the war in their homelands. instead of becoming victims, the women encased their bodies in MG-like suits of armor and now fight back.

[James89]

Its probably just a nod to the past. I mean all of the Foxhound members died. If he brought them back from the dead, that would be, well pretty stupid. He probably just named them after the Foxhound members for nostalgic reasons.

[Griever]

Yeah i seriously doubt there is any kind of direct connection. Hideo isn't that cheesy to bring them back. He has enough deaths, near-deaths and kinda, sorta not really deaths on his hands as it is.

[Major Isoor]

Yea it took me about 4 or 5 times to get MGS2.

And, am I the only one who is getting a PS3 JUST for MGS4?

Yeah, that's pretty much my reason for planning to get the PS3 too. Glad I'm not the only one! :D

[Armageddon Sunset]

Im not saying he brought them back, hell what I typed says that, they are all women encased in armor suits, so its not the original members...but the names could still have some significant connection to the original members. perhaps gene therapy, who knows. and the emotions related to the Beauty and The Beast names...are emotions shown by Foxhound during their battles or near their deaths. probably all a nod to the past but still.

[CDink]

Yea it took me about 4 or 5 times to get MGS2.

And, am I the only one who is getting a PS3 JUST for MGS4?

Same here exactly, i printed the script, ha it took like a million pages

Yeah, that's pretty much my reason for planning to get the PS3 too. Glad I'm not the only one! :D


That's precicily why im actually hoping for a 360 release

[rapidshave]

I've always said I will get a PS3 just for this game.

But I'm being selfish here and hoping that it comes to the 360 so that I don't have too.

[Armageddon Sunset]

if it comes to the 360, I think it wont be until an expansion is made.

much like MGS2:Sons of Liberty is on the PS2, but MGS2: Substance was on the PS2 and XBox.

[Panzer]

what are the chances of mgs4 being on the 360?

[James89]

I heard Hideo said he is gonna keep MGS4 Play Station exclusive...

[Grave_Digger]

New Video, about 15 minutes long.

Metal Gear Solid 4 English Gameplay video:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/31703.html

Nevermind, just watched a bit of it. It's an old gameplay video it just has English narration this time around.

[Elaine Benes]

New Video, about 15 minutes long.

Metal Gear Solid 4 English Gameplay video:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/31703.html

Nevermind, just watched a bit of it. It's an old gameplay video it just has English narration this time around.
Damn, that game looks fantastic. Must... get... a PS3 :(

[rapidshave]

I asked for a PS3 (and recieved) for my 21st Birthday just for this game, I cannot wait to play this game, so many questions I want answered.

[Armageddon Sunset]

Sony has discontinued the 80GB PS3 (MotorStorm combo with standard sixaxis controller), only to be rerealsing the 80GB this June in a MGS4 bundle, with the new SixAxis Dualshock 3 controller.....I know what Im going to be buying.

[Grave_Digger]

Another new trailer has been released. Looks like you play a dream or flashback sequence on Shadow Moses. Here's the trailer: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33452.html

[Operative #19]

Ooh. It looks like we might go back to Shadow Moses in the game. That sounds pretty cool. Or maybe they're including more than we think in the 50GB Double layer Blu-ray disc than we think. MGS revived?

[Grave_Digger]

Another new trailer. This one is like a movie trailer, they even use "The Voice". Shows some stuff I havn't seen yet including a glimpse of Old Snake's face turning into Solid Snake's face, including hair. http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33853.html

[FantasyAddict]

I think we might not just be going back in a flashback.

Did anyone else notice the climate change at the end of the newest Tokyo Game Show Trailer? The one with "Liquid!-Brother!!! It's not over!!! Not yet...."

[Armageddon Sunset]

we know we go back to Shadow Moses one of the trailers shows Snake in Rex, and Liquid in Ray on the island....it may be a combination of the two, flashback and reality.

[sidewinder]

I really liked the game. I just wish it did not have so much installing all the time. I really got the hank of and this is my first MGS. Hooray for game-movies.

[Dean]

I really liked the game. I just wish it did not have so much installing all the time. I really got the hank of and this is my first MGS. Hooray for game-movies.

You should definitely go back and play the first three. Well... MGS2 not so much. :D

Nah, I kid, I kid. You should definitely check all the games out. Depending on what systems you have, you can get versions with the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 and VR missions and stuff.

[sidewinder]

Well there was a MGS flashback which I liked but I think I will play Snake Eater this Christmas. There is a load of the story that I still haven't grasped. And to tell the truth, MGS 3 is much more accesible right now.

Well there was a MGS flashback which I liked but I think I will play Snake Eater this Christmas. There is a load of the story that I still haven't grasped. And to tell the truth, MGS 3 is much more accesible right now. What I really liked about the game, apart from making the PMCs burst Jokerly with laughter, was the REX-RAY showdown. It really was a good idea and it was brilliantly executed. By the way, how many RAYs did Liquid Ocelot steal after the Big Shell incident? Because I saw two in the game.

[Griever]

He stole one, but if you look on the side of Haven, you can see a bunch of notches all along the side...they're all RAYS I believe. So he had ALOT of them, which he would need. They were Anti-Metal Gear Metal Gears, and the System controlled all the Metal Gears (with exception of REX). However, even though Liquid controlled the system, I think he would want to have a back-up plan. or appear to...because we all know his plan from the beginning was to seemingly fail

[bobjohndave]

I finally got the opportunity to play MGS4 from beginning to end and I have to say, while I'm satisfied that the continuity was maintained and the story was wrapped up really well, I'm heartbroken at the thought that this is the end of Snake's story. The whole game was incredibly sad. Even when the protagonists came out on top there was still an underlying element of melancholy in every scene. To see Snake so old, sickly, and downtrodden by his peers was especially disheartening. My only hope is that the Metal Gear series is over with this sequel, as I don't think I could bear to see a game labeled as Metal Gear without its memorable cast of characters.:bawl: