Prophecy? Will Harry die? *SPOILERS POSSIBLE*

[User]

Just saw most of the chamber of secrets film on itv, and it spurred my interest in harry potter again(i'd let it die after HBP, so i wouldnt get crazy anxious about the next one, but now I'm gonna). I decided to go lookup Horcruxes at wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horcrux
And then thought back to the prophecy in Order(HP5), seeking it out;

'The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies...'

The bit in bold had struck me before, but as I typed this very post, a few other things came to mind. Firstly, it suggests than one must kill the other, because they cant live at the same time. But they've made a good job of it so far, so maybe the 'survives' is important, survives something in particular maybe, a specific event? OR neither can live whilst the other survives dying at the hand of the other. What if, the one thing we've been led to believe all along, is not actually true. Was the scarring of harry potter an accident, or was it all intended, maybe if only to an extent? What if harry potter has become a horcrux himself? What if hes become a horcrux and voldermort doesnt even realise? If he has a bit of voldemort's soul, would he not then be an equal? Maybe voldemort meant to do it, but then its arguable, why has he tried to kill him every time, or maybe, why has harry potter always survived? Who would dare kill the boy who lived, except voldemort himself? Most people would consider harry a saviour, so they wont kill him. Voldemort wont kill him because he knows the truth, that harry contains a part of him and his soul. A reason for it still being possible without voldemort realising is that the soul splits, so why should he know, he may not even realise when a horcrux is destroyed(it may also be the last bit of humanity in voldemort's soul is the part in harry). The murder involved would have been james/lily's.

So, my real question is, who thinks harry will die in the next book? This is of course assuming that voldemort will die in the next book. I reckons harry will have to die in order for voldemort to be destroyed. Further discussions on this and the prophecy are appreciated here. Also, whether you think dumbledore's gonna come back or not. Theres are some sites dedicated to reasons why he isnt actually dead(check wiki page for dumbledore for the link).

RAB spoiler...
whilst I was also on the horcrux wiki page, I saw a link to a page on RAB, interestingly, it says of other language versions which have DIFFERENT last letter initial, RAZ, RAM, and RAS. Interestingly, each language version translates sirius's name 'Black' into the native tongue for the work, each matching to the initials. Go check it yourself if you dont believe me. I'm fairly sure most fans already suspected it to be Regulus anyway, but this pretty much confirms it.

(Yeah, I advertise wikipedia ALOT, why? Becuase I love it and can get lost on it for hours, it truly is wiki.)

[Silver Phoenix]

Ah, but as Dumbledore says (very wisely if I must say so..) that this prophecy does not have to be fufilled. It was only done because Voldemort heard it and went to kill Harry, however, Voldemort created the very person he was trying to kill. Harry nor Neville were the person the prophecy was talking about [i]until Voldemort marked Harry as his equal by picking him[i].

This set in a series of events that would lead to one of them undoubtedly killing eachother, therefore, I don't think we can really rely on the prophecy that much.

As for your bit about Harry being the Horcrux, it doesn't seem logical. Why would Voldemort try to kill Harry in the graveyard.. and then once again try in the Ministry. Both times he actually did use the curse, so it wasn't like he was holding out.

That means that if Harry is a Horcrux, Voldemort does not know.. but I still don't see how that would have worked.

[User]

Maybe he wanted it to look like he tried, but intentionally failed. It was quite a longshot, stuff was just reeling through my mind and I was typing. The thing about the prophecy not having to be fulfilled is interesting, in certain things and stories(not harry potter specific), prophecies and destiny get fulfilled even if you try to avoid it. In other things, you can go against them, its a pretty tricky thing to consider. Where does Dumbledore actually say it doesnt have to be fulfilled? Again, I must admit you have a point with harry being an unrealised horcrux, as maybe they can only be created intentionally. But there isnt much known about them to the readers, or in the harry potter world either. Its a theory which I dont have much to support with.

[shortkut]

my one reason why harry is not a horcrux is because voldemort could not touch him. you would think if part of his soul was in harry he would be able to touch his skin before he got some of his blood

[User]

Damn! Ok, forget the horcrux thing, theres alot of things I hadnt considered in saying that. Do people think hes gonna die in the next book or not? And what about dumbledore coming back from the dead?

[Tokito]

I dont want him to die in the last book, but who knows. Dumbledore is not coming back. I dont see why she would kill off Dumbledore and have his picture on the wall with the other headmasters and headmisstresses just to bring him back as a living breathing person. This isnt Middle-Earth ya know.

[Inlé_rah]

This isnt Middle-Earth ya know.
Don't piss off the Valar, now or else the flying deus ex machinas/eagles of Manwe will get you. :D

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Dumbledore is dead. There is no spell that can bring back the dead. End of story. Fin. Well actually not really...after all, to a well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.

Sirius is dead too, btw.

I think its relatively well-understood now that Aberforth Dumbledore is the bar-keep at the Hog's Head. Not really sure what comes of this realization. (And yes. Albus was the one killed. Not Aberforth.) But we're probably going to learn a decent amount about Albus in book 7. Among other things...

How do you destroy a Horcrux? The diary was relatively easy as it was the test-Horcrux, but even that required very poisonous basilisk venom. The ring, which Dumbledore took care of, on the other hand, how did that work?

Other notes:
The infamous 'gleam of triumph.' By using Harry's blood to come back, Voldemort also got Lily's protection, which enables him to touch Harry. Of course, that protection was from the sacrifice/love thing. Love. Yeah. Smart not-quite-man that Voldemort. This is probably how he screwed up, considering he seems to be more allergic to love than Hagrid is to cats. Still don't know exactly what this means though...

What's love got to do with it? And speaking of it, that 'love' room in the Dept. of Mysteries?

PS: Wormtail still owes Harry his life.

[Hyccan]

^ what they said. But you know, killing off Harry would be a more effective way to end the story with out leaving the readers thirsty for more. It would be weird if Nevelle pulls it off and defeats Voldemort though..

Anyway, in order for Voldemort to survive (and I do believe his greatest fear is Death, he does say that there is nothing worse than death in book 5, right?) he would have to defeat Harry and killing him while he's a part of his soul would be kinda stupid, cuz he'll just get weaker.

As for the prophecy, I never trusted Trelawny that much in the first place, trance or no trance, Voldemort was just stupid enough to believe what was between his hands and went striaght to work. I believe that He chose Harry over Neiville becuz Nevelle was pure blood (I think) and that Harry was more of an equal to him. What kind of prophecy let's you choose what to do?

I've been reading greek tragedies lately, so prophecies seriously freak me out now.

[Inlé_rah]

What kind of prophecy let's you choose what to do?
Just all the famous ones.

I've been reading greek tragedies lately, so prophecies seriously freak me out now.
Then you know that Oedipus chose to leave his adoptive parents in Crete to avoid fulfilling the whole 'kill father, marry mother' prophecy. He didn't realize that they were his adoptive parents. Heads to Thebes, kills his father on the road, marries his mother the queen after saving the city from the sphinx. Fun stuff, no?

Had he ignored the prophecy or never heard of it, he would have become King of Crete, and it might not have been fulfilled.

Similarly, if Oepipus' real parents hadn't exposed their son as a baby after hearing of the prophecy, who knows?

[Hyccan]

Just all the famous ones.
SInce when? I thought they happened no matter what...

Then you know that Oedipus chose to leave his adoptive parents in Crete to avoid fulfilling the whole 'kill father, marry mother' prophecy. He didn't realize that they were his adoptive parents. Heads to Thebes, kills his father on the road, marries his mother the queen after saving the city from the sphinx. Fun stuff, no?
Fun? HA! I couldn't sleep for 2 days, thinking how sick and twisted fate might be to me one day. and how did you know what we were reading?

Had he ignored the prophecy or never heard of it, he would have become King of Crete, and it might not have been fulfilled.

Similarly, if Oepipus' real parents hadn't exposed their son as a baby after hearing of the prophecy, who knows?
Sorta like what's happening to Vold., if he ignored the prophecy, he would have surpassed certain peril. but the whole point of Oedipus is to scare the people into worshipping the gods or else this terrible fates shall befall them, so it's kinda different.

[Inlé_rah]

SInce when? I thought they happened no matter what...
He chose to leave. By choosing to work against the prophecy, it led to its fullfillment. What a devilishly tricky thing free will is, if it is free at all.

Fun? HA! I couldn't sleep for 2 days, thinking how sick and twisted fate might be to me one day. and how did you know what we
were reading?
All survey literature classes read the same stuff. :angel:

Greek stuff:
Either the Illiad or the Odyssey (I like the Odyssey best)
Oedipus Rex
Antigone
Possibly Medea

Middle Ages
Beowulf
Some of the King Arthur Stories (usu. Sir Gawain and the Green Knight)
Canterbury Tales

Some Renaissance Poetry, but why linger when there is...

Shakespeare:
Romeo and Juliet
Julius Caesar
Hamlet
The Tempest
Macbeth - if you are lucky

Marlow - only if you are lucky
Either Faustus or Tamburlaine

Restoration:
The Rape of the Lock
A Modest Propopal
possibly Gulliver's Travels
possibly some very amusing poetry

Regency
Something by Jane Austen - Usually Pride and Prejudice

Romantic Era:
Wuthering Heights - I'm so sorry (or Jane Eyre if you are even unluckier)
If it includes American lit - The Scarlet Letter and possibly also Hawthorne short stories
Poe - favorites include the Telltale Heart, Fall of the House of Usher. As for poetry - The Raven
Shelly, Byron, Keats, Coleridge, Burns, whomever...
Ode to a Grecian Urn
Coleridge - The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Kublai Khan

Other Stuffs before the Modern Era
Something by Ibsen (usually A Doll's House, possibly Hedda Gabler. or An Enemy of the People)
Women Writers whose names I cannot remember (Edith Wharton is one)
Yellow Wallpaper

WWI-era poetry
Wilfred Owen, among others

Moderns
Fitzgerald- The Great Gatsby
Hemmingway is a bit out of favor right now, but Hills like White Elephants. possibly For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Sun Also Rises
Falkner - A Rose for Emily at the very least
Steinbeck - Possibly Of Mice and Men, The Red Pony (both are short)

Post-Modern
Catcher in the Rye

A Taste of Distopia
1984 (or Animal Farm) - Orwell
and/or Brave New World - Huxley
Something by Kurt Vonnegut (possibly Harrison Bergernon)

You were talking about prophecies. What else could it be but Sophocles? :D

[shortkut]

Greek stuff:
Odyssey read
Oedipus Rex read
Antigone
Possibly Medea read

Middle Ages
Beowulf read
Some of the King Arthur Stories (usu. Sir Gawain and the Green Knight) read
Canterbury Tales read

Some Renaissance Poetry, but why linger when there is...

Shakespeare:
Romeo and Juliet read
Julius Caesar read
Hamlet read
The Tempest read
Macbeth - if you are lucky read

Marlow - only if you are lucky
Either Faustus read or Tamburlaine

Reformation:
The Rape of the Lock
A Modest Propopal
possibly Gulliver's Travels
possibly some very amusing poetry

Regency
Something by Jane Austen - Usually Pride and Prejudice

Romantic Era:
Wuthering Heights - I'm so sorry (or Jane Eyre if you are even unluckier)
If it includes American lit - The Scarlet Letter read and disliked :mad: and possibly also Hawthorne short stories read and enjoyed
Poe - favorites include the Telltale Heart, Fall of the House of Usher read. As for poetry - The Raven read
Shelly, Byron, Keats, Coleridge, Burns, whomever...
Ode to a Grecian Urn
Coleridge - The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Kublai Khan

Other Stuffs before the Modern Era
Something by Ibsen (usually A Doll's House, possibly Hedda Gabler. or An Enemy of the People)
Women Writers whose names I cannot remember (Edith Wharton is one)
Yellow Wallpaper

WWI-era poetry
Wilfred Owen, among others

Moderns
Fitzgerald- The Great Gatsby read
Hemmingway is a bit out of favor right now, but Hills like White Elephants. possibly For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Sun Also Rises
Falkner - A Rose for Emily at the very least
Steinbeck - Possibly Of Mice and Men read, The Red Pony read(both are short)

Post-Modern
Catcher in the Rye

A Taste of Distopia
1984 (or Animal Farm) - Orwell
and/or Brave New World - Huxley
Something by Kurt Vonnegut (possibly Harrison Bergernon)

You were talking about prophecies. What else could it be but Sophocles? :D
uh, this was an important post :umm:

[Silver Phoenix]

PS: Wormtail still owes Harry his life.

I completely forgot about that. Also, only silver can kill a werewolf and Wormtail's hand is now silver.. I have a feeling Wormtail will play a big part in the next book.

[Jofish]

Charlie is a werewolf now also along with ole Lupin I think the two of them might attract a more positive werewolf following for the order.

[User]

He chose to leave. By choosing to work against the prophecy, it led to its fullfillment. What a devilishly tricky thing free will is, if it is free at all.

OK, I didnt read the rest about literature and that. But thats what I was saying about in some mediums prophecies can be gone against, and in others, no matter what happens, destiny prevails. People who try to go against a prophecy in turn fulfill it, quite a paradox, and what it looks like happened with Voldemort.

[Tokito]

Charlie is a werewolf now also along with ole Lupin I think the two of them might attract a more positive werewolf following for the order.

You are wrong. Charlie isnt a werewolf. Bill was the one who got attacked by Greyback, and he only has some wolfish tendencies he isnt a full fledged werewolf like Lupin is.

[Hyccan]

So your implying that Wormtail might kill Lupin or Bill? Interesting, I suspect lot of people dying in what is to be the last book, simply to put an end to all the loose JK has set up for us to follow.

[Jofish]

You are wrong. Charlie isnt a werewolf. Bill was the one who got attacked by Greyback, and he only has some wolfish tendencies he isnt a full fledged werewolf like Lupin is.

Details, Details. At least you knew what I meant.And he probably will become a werewolf, there isn't a way out of it. Anywho, I'm hoping that the last book will be totally epic, long journeys hella battles and the like, it would be awesome.

[Hyccan]

It's JK, of course it's gonna be awesome. What would your response if she ended the series with nothing but more unsloved mysteries? One word: CHAOS.

[User]

Two words: COMMERCIAL GOLDMINE

Call me slow, I've only just realised the reason Dumbledore didnt give snape the DADA job is because he knew it was cursed. I wonder if anyone else knew, other than him and voldy.

[Tokito]

Details, Details. At least you knew what I meant.And he probably will become a werewolf, there isn't a way out of it. Anywho, I'm hoping that the last book will be totally epic, long journeys hella battles and the like, it would be awesome.

Unless JK writes things differently, Bill wont become a werewolf. When Bill was attacked, Grayback wasnt even transfromed. Grayback was attacking people and children even when he wasnt a werewolf. So, the only way bill will transform into one is if JK writes in the last book. Which if she did then that totally contradict what she had written in the HBP.

[User]

I was just reading a wikipedia entry for book 7, alot of nice info there, and apparently something VERY significant about lily(more than in book 5) will be revealed. I reckon its gonna be something to do with snape.

[Hyccan]

Well, we knew more than we wanted about James, and Lily did stand up for Snape, so yeah, I guess you're right.

[Tokito]

JK said that any revelations about Lily would have to do with Salazaar Slytherin himself and nobody else. The only snape/lily connection that comes to my mind is that snape was jealous of james for having lily.

[Shadowspirit]

Well, if you think about HPB, there's a possibility only two Horcruxes will show up in the 7th book. We know of 3 and 2 destroyed.

Diary- Gone
Ring- Gone
Locket- Possibly Gone (Though what of the Locket found in OotP?)

Dumbledore did say something about 7 attracting Voldemort, as well as the school's founders. But since the Sorting Hat and the sword are all that's left of Gryffindor, the cup is Hufflepuff's and the Locket is Slytherins, what's Ravenclaws? I'm thinking, for some strange reason, it'll the the Mirror or Erised. Ravenclaw was mention as being "fair", so it makes sense she'd have an enchanted mirror. Now, in Book 1, it makes an appearance, but it helps Harry. I dont believe it was a Horcrux at that time, because you supposedly have to kill someone to split your soul and hide it. Voldy couldnt touch Harry due to the enchantment from Lily, so it basically is the reason Quirrel died. One could say Voldemort killed Quirrel and used that murder to make the Mirror a Horcrux. However, the only thing I have to back it up with is in Book 4, Voldemort makes mention that he was weaker than ever when he left Quirrel's body. So he split a fragment of his soul in half? If so, it makes te Mirror another Horcrux and if the Cup is one as well, that makes another two Horcruxes.

Mirror- Out there
Cup- Out there

With Voldemort still possesing a part of his soul, that makes a possibility of six being seen. But, here's where my little rant here gets a little shaky. A person is a spirit inhabiting a soul and body. Now, it makes mention several tims that Voldemort is but a spirit wandering the land. So, it makes sense that he had to use one of his own Horcruxes to form a soul, as he had a body alreay. This is where we can fit in the Harry-crux theory, as if Harry was unintenionally made into a part of his soul, then his blood could be used to form the missing link of Voldemort's persona, completing him. This would explain why he tries to kill him shortly afterwards and at the Ministry.

Meaning...

Diary- Gone
Cup- Around
Mirror- Around
Ring- Gone
Locket- ?
Voldemort- Around
Harry- "Gone"

And if any of this makes absolutly no sense, I just typed it up at 2 in the morning after a full 22 hour day. I just needed to finally get it out.

[skymaster]

hey guys were is the site you are all talking about? and dose anyone know wat book 7 is called?

[shortkut]

hey guys were is the site you are all talking about? and dose anyone know wat book 7 is called?
that has not been released

[syncan]

Horcruxes are intentional, right? You don't just "accidently" make a Horcrux, right? But, when he failed to kill Harry, he was totally blown from his body.. which could end up being a massive seperation of his soul, residing in Harry. Maybe this is why Harry can hear what Voldemort's thinking, not because of his scar. You never know.

[Tokito]

Yes, horcruxes are intentional and, no,you cant make one accidentally. That wouldnt be a massive separation of body from soul all b/c voldy didnt die from that attack. Voldy made six horcruxes and there was only one piece of his soul left which is currently residing in his body. He used that to help create a new body, all long with blood from his enemy and bone from his father. I highly doubt that Harry is an horcrux. Like Dumbledore said Scars can come very hand sometimes, Harry was touched by a powerful curse and a powerful killing curse cant turn you into a horcrux without the caster doing some more spell work to put his soul into something. When Voldy was hit by his own spell he would not have been able to create one seeing as there was nothing left of his body anyway.

[Gabriela1258]

Damn! Ok, forget the horcrux thing, theres alot of things I hadnt considered in saying that. Do people think hes gonna die in the next book or not? And what about dumbledore coming back from the dead?
Who knows, i think Voldimort will become waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay , more powerfull but maybe harry will survive like always. and dumbledore coming back from the dead, hell yea!!!

[Tokito]

If harry does manage to kill Lord Voldemort and survives, I doubt that Volethingy will come back stronger than he was before and Dumbledore has no chance of ever coming back. Except, maybe, in Harry's dreams or something like a gaurdian angel type role.

[User]

Horcruxes are intentional, right? You don't just "accidently" make a Horcrux, right? But, when he failed to kill Harry, he was totally blown from his body.. which could end up being a massive seperation of his soul, residing in Harry. Maybe this is why Harry can hear what Voldemort's thinking, not because of his scar. You never know.

It's an interesting point of view, one I would actually like to agree with too. It is possible, and Voldemort may not have realised, given the fact that his soul was already shattered, and the fact that Dumbledore mentions about him not being aware when horcruxes are destroyed.
Yes, horcruxes are intentional and, no,you cant make one accidentally. That wouldnt be a massive separation of body from soul all b/c voldy didnt die from that attack. Voldy made six horcruxes and there was only one piece of his soul left which is currently residing in his body. He used that to help create a new body, all long with blood from his enemy and bone from his father. I highly doubt that Harry is an horcrux. Like Dumbledore said Scars can come very hand sometimes, Harry was touched by a powerful curse and a powerful killing curse cant turn you into a horcrux without the caster doing some more spell work to put his soul into something. When Voldy was hit by his own spell he would not have been able to create one seeing as there was nothing left of his body anyway.
Really, all I read in your posts are opinions, you need to try and back it up a bit more with info from the books. How can you say with such conviction that you cant accidentally make one? It's not like its a well researched topic in wizardry, and I dont see any relevance of voldemort not dying in that attack, its not like you die when you create a horcrux. There isnt anything to definitely suggest there were only six horcruxes, only dumbledores suspiscions as expressed in HBP to harry. How do souls split when horcruxes are made? into specific 7ths of an original? Or in half of whats already left? You seem to be taking dumbledore's opinions and thoughts as gospel here, there is nothing to limit a person to only making 6 horcruxes, or to suggest how much 'soul' goes into each one. Maybe the one reason there was nothing left of his body, is because his soul was torn apart once again, and it couldn't be sustained.

[Tokito]

Really, all I read in your posts are opinions, you need to try and back it up a bit more with info from the books. How can you say with such conviction that you cant accidentally make one? It's not like its a well researched topic in wizardry, and I dont see any relevance of voldemort not dying in that attack, its not like you die when you create a horcrux. There isnt anything to definitely suggest there were only six horcruxes, only dumbledores suspiscions as expressed in HBP to harry. How do souls split when horcruxes are made? into specific 7ths of an original? Or in half of whats already left? You seem to be taking dumbledore's opinions and thoughts as gospel here, there is nothing to limit a person to only making 6 horcruxes, or to suggest how much 'soul' goes into each one. Maybe the one reason there was nothing left of his body, is because his soul was torn apart once again, and it couldn't be sustained.

I never said he died in the attack. Who are you to doubt what Dumbledore said?! That is an opinion how? All that was taken from reading the HP books over and over again. ( especially the HBP). Reread my last post more carefully and then comment.:bashhead:

[Sirithe]

Inle, I was reading the thread, and where did we find out Aberforth (whatever Dumbledores brothers first name is) is the bartender or owner or whatever of the Hog's Head?

[swdswdswd]

I've a feeling harry is the last horcrux, that's why he can feel voldy's emotions. that way, harry will have to kill himself in order to destory voldemort.

[DarthGore]

Hey guys, i think there is something fishy about Dumbledore's "death". Why was he the only one 2 b blasted off his feet by "Avada Kedavra"? Cuz remember, Diggory just dropped (ok i kno in the movie he flew, but w/e) and Frank Bryce dropped, so y the exception 4 Dumbledore?

[Evan]

The only thing I could say has already been put down by Rowling, no characters that die in the books will come back. So thats that for D.

But the prophecy thing, I don't think so, I know why so manny people are reading in to this so much, they think that is so unthinkable that it has to be the ending, as the other books have been the unthinkable. Voldemort wouldn't have had time to say the spell verbily or non verbily because it moves that fast, the only reason Harry has survived in the graveyard, is his quiditch training, so Voldemort never would have had time to react in that way.

And all so, Harry is so full of love[as rowling made a point to tell us all that it about killed Voldy because he has so much love] meanse that the Horcrux part of him would of been killed while created due to the amount of love, sop even if that was true, it is not probable due to the information that we already know, and why would voldemort want to keep alive the one person that could kill him? He has sent people after him countless times, to kill him, so why would he if Harry was a Horcrux. If you sit down and think it through you will find a reason to disprove most of the theorys out there, but then, I only did this in the first 48 hours after I read that first day it was released, and I haven't thought of it since, because no matter how hard we try to find out the ending, you know that Rowling will be paying attentin so that it is as farfetched from what we most imagined more and likely, since it is the end of the series with this.

[modi25]

like dumbledore said: the prophecy does not have to be fulfilled.

what i think will happen is that harry and lord v will have the biggest magic duel of all time. eventually it will end and lord v will be the victor but he will be extremely weakened by his duel with harry and some one will finish him of in his weakened state.

i dont think you should stress to find out who rab is cos like it said in the book, he is probably dead.

[MadSkittlz]

I stoped reading Harry Potter but i would really like to see Harry Potter get killed in the movie at least. I want to see him get killed in the book to because the movie Harry Potter is so annoying. It wouldn`t hurt to kill Ron or Hermoine either.

[Yukimura]

I think Voldemort and Harry should kill eachother. That would make a cool ending.

[Egg Mister]

I stoped reading Harry Potter but i would really like to see Harry Potter get killed in the movie at least. I want to see him get killed in the book to because the movie Harry Potter is so annoying. It wouldn`t hurt to kill Ron or Hermoine either.

I don't think she would kill that many main characters. Diffently not 3 maybe 2 but not 3.

[Ayen]

well, the thing is, if harry goes against voldemort with just the practice in magic he has already gotten, will he really be able to stand against him? I mean, sure, harry can stop the death curse from voldemort if he hits the curse, or voldy's wand, with his own spell, but by the time the final battle comes, the dark lord will probably prevent harry from doing the priori incantatem. that, and with how strong voldemort is with magic, unless some of the reasons people have been giving that dumbledore isn't dead are true, the order and/or the ministry's aurors may have to help harry finish off you-know-who.

as far as how many characters will die in the next book goes, there may very well be three or more characters that die in book 7. I mean, there are three main categories of characters: interacting characters (anyone who is seen in the books and interacts with others in them as much as harry, ron, or hermione, to as little as dobby, scrimegour, and ginny(in the first book)), non-interacting characters (anyone who is mentioned in the books but doesn't have any interaction with them at all, just mentioned in them), and death eaters. between those three, rowling could take out quite a few. she did in book 6, those two members of the order, the one death eater at the end, and presumably dumbledore. so with albus possibly out of the picture, voldemort will probably have a clear shot at the wizarding world, and at least more non-interacting characters will be taken out. i'd say it's probable that there will be quite a few losses in the last book.

[dobbystwin]

The only thing I could say has already been put down by Rowling, no characters that die in the books will come back. So thats that for D.

I still have doubts that Dumbledore's actually dead. Remember Snape's "Draft of the Living Death?" And I doubt that Harry will die; it would kill the merchandising.

Here's my prediction. By the end of book 7 Draco Malfoy will turn away from evil and become a factor in Voldemort's downfall. I base this solely on the fact that Draco couldn't bring himself to kill Dumbledore in HBP.

[Ayen]

I've wondered if the entire malfoy family will be convinced to defect to dumbledore's side. I mean, if things go correctly, draco's entire family could be targeted by voldemort for death, so in order to keep themselves alive they might turn tail and join the ministry/order's side. of course, then you have to wonder about the lestranges, and crabbe and goyle. if draco defects, crabbe and goyle will either have to turn against their fathers, or against their "leader". and if all the malfoys defect, will bellatrix turn on her own sister? I do hope that draco defects, too. I'm just pointing out some things to consider.

[dobbystwin]

Actually, Golden Phoenix, I think your Malfoy scenario has possibilities. Bellatrix vs her sister...hmmm... I bet even Harry and Voldemort would stop fighting to watch that one! :wink:

[Ayen]

what about lupin and pettigrew?:D

you really think it's possible that the malfoy's will defect? something tells me it isn't going to happen. however, I'd say it's the other way around. I'd say even bella and cissy would stop fighting to watch what would possibly be voldemort's final duel-the leader of the death eaters vs. the boy who lived, that'd be one ANYONE in the wizarding world would stop to see.

[Egg Mister]

pettigrew owes harry his life or something like that. i don't remember what it said exactly cause it's been awhile since i read any of the harry potter books.

[Ayen]

well, what I meant on my comment there was the possibility that lupin and pettigrew themselves duel, and lupin ends up ko'ing wormtail...either lupin or harry. and I highly doubt that pettigrew is going to spare harry just because harry spared him, remember what wormtail said at the beginning of GoF? he said that harry was nothing to him. (remember when dobbystwin said that if bella and cissy dueled, even harry and voldemort would stop to watch? that comment I made after was a tease)

[MadSkittlz]

I don't think she would kill that many main characters. Diffently not 3 maybe 2 but not 3.

I`m not saying she will kill them I`m saying I hope she will kill them since they are irritating.

[Ayen]

well, whether they're irritating or not, it'd be sad if she killed off them, I mean, not only are they some of the good guys, but they are also two of the main characters.

[MadSkittlz]

I wouldn`t be sad at all. The two newist Harry Potter movies I spent the whole time making fun of them.

[dobbystwin]

(remember when dobbystwin said that if bella and cissy dueled, even harry and voldemort would stop to watch? that comment I made after was a tease)
I got it! :wink:

So many readers would be devastated if Ron and/or Hermione were to die that I just can't imagine it happening. Or Harry either. Even if :worship: JK doesn't write any more Potter novels, that doesn't mean she's going to stop writing altogether. So it might be in her own best interest to end the Potter series on a high note.

[Ayen]

So many readers would be devastated if Ron and/or Hermione were to die that I just can't imagine it happening. Or Harry either. Even if JK doesn't write any more Potter novels, that doesn't mean she's going to stop writing altogether. So it might be in her own best interest to end the Potter series on a high note.
imagine all the hate mail that would happen...

[Jaden the Jedi]

thismay sound dumb but harry himself could be a horcrux,:crazy: :hmm: :shrug: :twitch: :wha: if voldemort is a powerful as they say he would of killed harry by now, and if dumbledore found out voldemort would be invicible because dubledore would not, anyone, would not kill haryry

[Egg Mister]

Harry can't be a horcrux, because everyone tries to kill him. Think about it if Harry was one, why is everyone trying to kill him.

[dobbystwin]

I agree. There's no doubt that Volemort wants Harry Dead, so there's no way Harry can be a horcrux. But if it's possible for a person to be a horcrux, a few other names come to mind. Neville, for one. True, the prophecy wasn't about him, but he might still play some part in it. After all, where was baby Neville when his parents were being tortured? Ok, that thought's a little "out there" but still, it makes you wonder!:paranoid:

[Ayen]

ok, well, according to the books, there are supposedly seven horcruxes. one is salazar slytherin's locket, another is the ring that dumbledore wears in HBP, one is the cup of Helga hufflepuff's, then there's tom riddle's diary, that's four, then there's supposedly nagini, there's five, then something of ravenclaw's, that's six, ...wait, does voldemort have seven horcruxes, or is that how many pieces his soul is in?

[Egg Mister]

If I remember correctly he didn't have the chance to make the 7th one because of the backfire of the death curse. You got all the horcruxes. Voldemort wanted to have 7 but Harry ruined it so he only got 6.

[Ayen]

well, couldn't voldy have made the 7th horcrux when he killed bertha jorkins in GoF? or did they say anything about that?

[The Crazy One]

If you Wiki Dumbledore, you can get to the following links, with speculation as to why D might nt be Dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbledore#Death

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

The second link is quite convincing, isn't it?

[Ayen]

lol, yeah, I've read I believe all the clues on the second one, there're too many to list!! problem is with it though, is it doesn't give any reason to believe that dumbledore is dead. it just focuses on why we should believe he is alive. I want dumbledore to be alive as much as possible, too, but to truly answer the question before the last book, I think we need to consider all possibilities.

[Egg Mister]

No, they didn't say anything about her when she died.

I think the ending of that book is one of the best. It's got me wondering if he is dead or not. I think, this was the best ending she has made.

[Ayen]

I wouldn't say HBP is the best. I like the climax of OotP better. HBP's ending is just the biggest mystery that Jo has weaved into the books. At least one of the biggest unanswered questions, quite possibly unanswerable until the seventh book comes to us.

[dobbystwin]

OotP has been my favorite book so far, even though it does have its slow spots. It reads like a good suspense novel (which actually, I guess, it is). From start to finish I could sense the tension, and I knew it was leading up to something big. The shoot-out in the Ministry is classic!

I've gotten the distinct feeling from Ootp and HBP that :worship: JK really enjoys teasing her readers with clues that may or may not be clues at all.

[Ayen]

heh, well, when I was reading OotP, it was just going slow until BAM!!! Harry's goin' to the ministry with his friends, the climax, and all that. Before that, it's just ah laa laa, all this trouble and injustice with umbridge and snape.

As far as the clues go, Jo is just giving us a good mystery novel set that have clues as to what will happen next. She's really good at it, too. From what I've read (I believe it's the last page of clues on dumbledoreisnotdead.com), she's left clues in her works that can be spotted if one is looking for them, knows what to look for, and is paying attention. From what I've read, you can find yourself looking for clues, and then lose yourself in the reading, then five pages later you realize, "hey, I'm supposed to be looking for hints here, not enjoying this as a book!".

[Egg Mister]

It's hard to get the clues, because like you said you get trapped and forget all about it. I've read the HBP about 8 times and I never pay attention to what I'm looking for.

[Ayen]

I don't reread the whole books myself, I just reread parts as I want or need.

[Jaden the Jedi]

If you Wiki Dumbledore, you can get to the following links, with speculation as to why D might nt be Dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbledore#Death

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

The second link is quite convincing, isn't it?
yes very convincing, very possible.

[Ayen]

it is convincing, yes, but what all reasons are there to believe that d is dead?

[shortkut]

i personally think that if jk said he is dead, then he is dead. that does not mean harry will not talk to dumbledore's portrait, just that dumbledore is dead

[Ayen]

where does jk say that he is dead?

[shortkut]

in an interview, if i recall correctly

[Ayen]

oh? what site is this interview on? I'd like to see myself.

[Tom C]

I wanna think harry will live through it, and Him an ginny make a family and they all live hapilly ever efter, but with dumbledore dieing leads me to belive J.K'll do anything

[Ayen]

well, Kashla told me on another thread that Jo said that Harry will live through book 7, although he couldn't tell me where he'd seen it-it might have been on a tv interview...

[dobbystwin]

I think it's entirely possible that JK is playing mind games with the readers, so I'm not sure we should take every one of her "book 7-isms" at face value.

[Ayen]

well, hopefully if she is being that way, she isn't doing it too much.

[Tom C]

Im just hoping she doesent end the series i hope she can keep continuing the series without ruining, alot to ask but w\e

[Ayen]

you mean you hope she doesn't stop at book 7?

[dobbystwin]

well, hopefully if she is being that way, she isn't doing it too much.
That's just my feeling on it. I could be completely wrong. But I wonder if she sometimes doesn't tease us with clues just to keep the rumors flying. Sort of like pre-game hype.

I don't think there's any doubt that book 7 will end the series, sk8trkid299. JK has said that from the start. But if I'm wrong, then good for us!

[Ayen]

yep! lol. thing is though, if she does continue the books, unless she doesn't finish off the death eaters in book seven, then what will the conflict be for all successing books?

[dobbystwin]

Good point. And this series has raised the bar so high from the first six books that anything she adds after book 7 would be a disaster if it's anything less than extraordinary. I can't imagine many of us would want to read some nostalgic where-are-they-now fluff. I'm sure we would read it, but we wouldn't accept it as part of the series.

[Ayen]

Good point. And this series has raised the bar so high from the first six books that anything she adds after book 7 would be a disaster if it's anything less than extraordinary. I can't imagine many of us would want to read some nostalgic where-are-they-now fluff. I'm sure we would read it, but we wouldn't accept it as part of the series.
if she does end the series at book 7 (which she has already strongly hinted at doing), that may very well be another reason for it. I may be underestimating her a bit by saying this (and seeing as what she's done with the first six books, I probably am), but she might have difficulty creating something extraordinary enough to fulfill our expectations.

[User]

Wow, I see my topic is still alive! To an extent, I was just dropping by gw and decided to check in here while I was at it, good to see it still going.
As for the books, I don't think JK is going to leave many, if any, loose ends, like death eaters roaming about or any sort of cliffhanger as such. In fact, I reckon about the last quarter of the book will be about an aftermath and tying up all the loose ends, maybe. I would be really disappointed if it was either all summed up really quickly in a couple of pages, or left too many unanswered questions and possibilities.

[Ayen]

hmmm. that's something I didn't think about. I thought the last few pages would be the aftermath, and the last section would be about Harry's battle with voldemort.

[dobbystwin]

Most of the entire series (with a few exceptions, of course) is told from Harry's perspective. Another reason I believe Harry won't die.

I predict that three chapters will be devoted to the aftermath. The first will be the revelations of why certain things happened the way they did. The second will be melancholy reflections. And finally, the where-do-we-go-from-here chapter.

I'm basing that prediction on absolutly nothing.

[Ayen]

1: well, I'd say it's possible that she may do revelations of events in the last book. for one thing, it's gotta wrap up the set (or at least the main action of it), so she may have the characters tell harry and the others what happened and why.

2: what do you mean by "melancholy reflections"?

3: on the last part of your prediction, probably a good chapter or two will have to be devoted to "where-do-we-go-from-here". I mean, she made Dumbledore's funeral and what happened like, immediately after, into a whole chapter. The events that happen after Voldemort's death (or whatever happens at the end of his and harry's final duel) will probably be so spread out and be so important to know that it's going to take a lot more than Dumbledore's funeral did.

[dobbystwin]

By melancholy reflections, I mean the soul-searching that the surviving characters are bound to be doing in the aftermath of whatever is going to happen. Like what Harry did after Sirius died, after Dumbledore died, etc.

Then again, through the whole series, Harry is always soul-searching to an extent, so the "melancholy reflections" chapter is probably obligitory.