GWPS:2 Rules | Updated: 12.24

[Coleman]

Welcome to the
GameWinners Poker Series: 2!
Official Slogan of the GWPS: "I only bet when I think I will win." - Random Poker "Genius"

No Limit Texas Hold 'em GWPS
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The winner of the GameWinners Poker Series: 2 will have his/her name displayed in a Global Announcement that will be posted forum-wide. I dont want to offer post or rep rewards, as that will create a tournament where people enter soley for those reasons. But this gives forum-wide recognition to the best GW poker player!

In real tournament play, the number of positions paid will vary depending on how many people enter the tournament. This will be the same for us, except "payment" comes in the form of points.

POINT SYSTEM
1st Place: 4 points
2nd Place: 3 points
3rd Place: 2 points
4th Place: 1 point
HOWEVER, do not get confused. Just because you finish in 4th, 3rd, 2nd, or 1st, does not guarantee you will be getting points. Who gets points, will vary on how many people play at the table.

Table Payout
10 Person Table = Top 4 Awarded Points
9 Person Table = Top 4 Awarded Points
8 Person Table = Top 3 Awarded Points
7 Person Table = Top 3 Awarded Points
6 Person Table = Top 2 Awarded Points
5 Person Table = Top 2 Awarded Points
4 Person Table = Top 1 Awarded Points
3 Person Table = Top 1 Awarded Points
2 Person Table = Top 1 Awarded Points
Now, for an example.

If I play at an eight person table, and finish in third, I will receive two points. Then later in the series, I play at a FIVE person table and finish in third, I will receive ZERO points. Ya follow? This system makes it fair and even. It means that finishing first doesnt award you LESS points just because other people didnt show up, BUT it makes it harder to gain points.

Ok, now for a few details.

This series will last for SIX weeks. And you will be allowed SIX sit-ins.
(To keep everything fair, we will run the series for a certain amount of time. In this case, six weeks. But so people dont get an unfair advantage by sitting in more times than others, I am setting a MAXIMUM number of sit ins. 6, insuring that to get the most points, you must play at least once a week. At the end of six weeks (or at the end of your six sit ins) your points will be added up. Afterwards, the top six ranked people will sit at a final table to decalare our winner.)

Final Table: Overall points will translate to chip amounts.
(After talking with a potential new host of the series, I established that I will be using some type of system to create varying chip stacks at the final table. Now, this isn't set in stone yet, but it will involve something such as 1 point = 100 chips. Which will mean the higher you place in overall points, the more chips you will have going into the final table.)

Disconnections will be based on a CASE by CASE basis.
(Disconnects happen, it sucks if you're in the middle of the game, but it wont always be fair to allow you back in. So here are the criteria that will be considered by the table host. How far the game has gone. How long you were disconnected. The amount of money you had when you left. How many players have been eliminated so far in the game, and how many players have been eliminated WHILE you were gone. This same rule will apply to late entrants. This is at the table owners discretion, and decisions are FINAL. If myself or Eye say that you are not allowed back in for whatever reason, that is FINAL, the sit-in counts against you, and we will continue the game as if you busted out. This will be held the same for everyone, depending on where the table is at.)

Intentional re-buys are SEVERELY punishable.
(At one of the practice games, TWO people busted, and then came back in with more money, even winning some of the hands. This is NOT ALLOWED. Practice game or otherwise. From this point forward, ANYONE, and I repeat, ANYONE that busts out, and then sits back in with more money will be IMMEDIATLEY booted from the GWPS. This is unfair to all players. In accordance, if you are disconnected, or you sit out and leave the table, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT sit in at the table again until the table owner (myself, Brian, or Tom) give you permission. This will be treated the same as an intentional re-buy.)

Thank you, and good luck!

[RULES SUBJECT TO CHANGE]

[-TranViet-]

What happens when someone sits out for a long period of time?

[Coleman]

Same thing as the disconnects. It'll be based case by case. If myself or Eye feel that the game has been going on too long, or that the person was sitting out for too long, or someone gets eliminated, we'll simply say you cant sit back in.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

And there is no point arguing with us as other people have done in the past if you are not allowed back in. We will be as fair to all players at the table as possible but disconnects will happen.

[shortkut]

if you are disconnected early on or something right at the very beginning before you play a hand or get hit by the blinds and don't get back in for some reason, will it still count as a sit in or will the number of players at the table be decreased by one?

[slick_gio]

Seems fine to me. But I want bathroom breaks. A break every hour of 5 min.

[Kat]

I second the break idea.. those games can go on for awhile.

[Coleman]

if you are disconnected early on or something right at the very beginning before you play a hand or get hit by the blinds and don't get back in for some reason, will it still count as a sit in or will the number of players at the table be decreased by one?If you're disconnected early and cant get back, but the table owner (myself or Tom) decide that you were gone early enough, it wont count as a sit in, and the table stakes will all decrease by one. Again. It all depends on when the person sits out/disconnects/etc.

Seems fine to me. But I want bathroom breaks. A break every hour of 5 min.I second the break idea.. those games can go on for awhile.If the table has been running exceptionally long, and someone requests a break, I dont see why I wouldnt stop it. But if one person is gone an exceptionally long time. I will restart without you.

[slick_gio]

Also, will the blinds and/or the starting money prevent such ridiculously long games?

[Coleman]

No. The series I had at Bens forums utilized the levels of poker room blinds. But with this series, we cant really do that. 50/100 would be too short, 25/50 would still be pretty short. Some of the games may take a while but with 1000 dollars, 12.50/25 is the right amount to play with. I might have a few 25/50 games. And since the top 6 finishers should have well over 1000 dollars, I'll probably have the final table at 50/100 and everyone can sit in with 2500 or something. We'll see.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Yes, the final table of the last series was 25/50 blinds, I believe, and the game of five players lasted all of 45 minutes. I doubt that we will ever have those 3 hour games again. Especially with some experienced players at the tables.

Ben's forum's poker series had the best set of rules I've seen because there weren't enough players to make it complicated and problematic. It would not work here because of the amount of tables we'd need to set up and issues with people not making it. This one should be as fair as internet poker can be (and internet poker isn't fair... I hate most people).

[Believe The Sickness]

Do you mean to say at Ben's site you got everyone into a tournament? Because that is the only way I can see that you were able to change the level of blinds. Or you somehow made it so you could move up the blinds by changing tables.

[Coleman]

We used tournament levels. Every week the series moved up a level.

[Believe The Sickness]

And it wasn't difficult to get everyone into one tourney?

[Coleman]

Not the way we did it. But it has to be done differently for the GWPS.

[shortkut]

how differently? i thought that was a good way for the most part

[Coleman]

This is a better way anyway. The blinds not going up isnt a big deal if people know how to play poker. Its no different than a cash game.

[Believe The Sickness]

I don't have a problem with it, but some people did when we played the championship it seemed like. Even though it was extremely short.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

It would be impossible to keep the order that the HTPS had so this was the only alternative. The points system in this is very fair, too. Blinds at 25/50 make it so that they are big enough to induce action but also small enough to keep people from getting blinded out. Seriously, when there are a lot of players, there isn't much action. Once there are only a few left, people tend to play more aggressive and the chips move around alot. The blinds shouldn't need to be raised unless people bet minimum... which shant be tolerated. Anyone that knows poker knows that heads-up is much more loose and payoffs are bigger.

Plus, as I said, we have some players that can take advantage of people playing too loose/tight. The games will be fairly brisk that we don't need a rising blind system.

[Sirithe]

I have a question that will probably be seen as stupid. This is with play money right?

[Coleman]

Yes it is.

[Believe The Sickness]

In regard to cNr poker, the people in tournies aren't as stupid as those encountered at pokerroom or the other site I use, PokerStars. It's actually... a challenge. That's different.

[Coleman]

I know. As I said. The reason we're using this one is because a LOT less people know about it. So it makes things run smoother, quicker, and all around better.

[Believe The Sickness]

Yeah, it weeds out the idiots of poker that just go all in first hand with a pocket pair... or worse...

[Coleman]

You should see some of the **** me and Tom have seen in tournaments. I went all in pre-flop with QQ because I was shortstacked. Got called by 27 of hearts. Guy flops a flush. ..... GRRRRR!

[The Eye in the Sky!]

And when I pushed someone pushed me all-in preflop once after an initial raise by me. I had JJ and the other person turned over 3/6 off suit. They end up hitting a running straight on the river. I was pissed. That was at PokerStars, which is the absolute worst place I've played.

[Coleman]

Yeah its hard to tell which is worse AP 1000+100 sit and go tourneys. Or PS 300+20 45 man.

[Believe The Sickness]

Speaking of which, I just won one of those :D

But yeah, PokerStars is definitely rediculous sometimes. I went all in with pocket aces after it was raised a bunch, and got called by someone with pocket aces as well and then two people who both had two spades. Flop comes with two spades (which was my ace) and then running spades to give me the nut flush. How rediculous is that? 9 out of the 13 spades in the deck, and 9 out of the 13 cards in play.

[Phoenix]

What do we bet/win?

[Alu]

you made this like the Poker Supersat invitational thing...initial rounds, top scorers, point wise, move on, based on overall placement they get a certain amount of chips and placed in a certain group, the top two from that group after two games (point wise again) move on to the next round, etc.

seems like it should work out pretty well.

[Coleman]

What do we bet/win?We're betting with just play money, no one puts any real money. And you win the pride of knowing you're the best poker player at GameWinners.

you made this like the Poker Supersat invitational thing...initial rounds, top scorers, point wise, move on, based on overall placement they get a certain amount of chips and placed in a certain group, the top two from that group after two games (point wise again) move on to the next round, etc.Yeah, I think it'll be cool. This should work out nicely, and makes it fair for all.

[Believe The Sickness]

And you win the pride of knowing you're the best poker player at GameWinners.

Well, the second best, isn't it? :cool2:

[Coleman]

No, they would be the best from the time the series ends, til the time the next series end. You're the reigning "best", and I use that term VERY loosely. ;)

If you can win this series. I'll call you the best.

[Phoenix]

Sorry I wasn't clear on my post.

Do we win anything that has to do with GW?

[Coleman]

Yes, you were clear, and I answered your question. The recognition that you are the best poker player at GameWinners. If you're fishing for a rep or post reward, you're in the wrong forum.

[Zell 17]

Sorry I wasn't clear on my post.

Do we win anything that has to do with GW?


Look at it this way, you aren't gambling anything so you can't really win anything. Maybe if you feel like putting 1,000 rep or posts on the line NBT will think about having some rewards;)

[Coleman]

Heh. I've actually just now inquired about having it so the winner will be featured in a Global Announcement at the end of the tournament saying they won.

That's about the most I'm willing to offer, forum-wide recognition.

[Believe The Sickness]

I'll take you up on your offer, NBT. See you at the final table.

[Zell 17]

Haha, there's something to be said for confidence;)

[Coleman]

I'm posting to make sure everyone saw the rule amendment I posted in the main post. About points translating into final table stacks.

[slick_gio]

Well, the second best, isn't it? :cool2:

There were some very good players missing in that final table. Me and Tommy for instance. So yeah, IF you beat us all, then you can talk :P. Also, don't mess with cali ;).

[Believe The Sickness]

Not my fault you weren't there. Originally I wasn't going to be there either. But hey, it's in the past now, I'm looking forward to the upcoming matches, and hope to see all returning people there :).

[Coleman]

I barely even care about the final table. Eye and myself are having a contest to see who can finish with the most overall points. That's our goal.

[Believe The Sickness]

Good luck. I'll just focus on making it to the final table for now.

[Zell 17]

So I guess chips to points will be determined at the final table?

[Coleman]

Well before the series starts, I'll come up with a definite system. Where a point earns you a certain amount of chips. And then when we get our final six players, we'll make sure everyone has the correct amount of chips based on how many points they have. And the final table will play with those people.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

There has been a page of talk without mentioning how much good I play. That will change now. I've found the latest Vegas odds to win the GWPS 2. They are as the following:

Cole - EVEN
Eye - 2:1
kut - 5:1
Dean - 5:1
BTS - 6:1
Alu - 7:1
Zell - 10:1
Dan - 12:1
Chapta - 12:1
TranViet - 15:1
Kat - 15:1
Cluck - 15:1
Alec - 16:1
Gio - 20:1
Beowulf - 20:1
Everyone else I forgot: 100:1

:D

[Zell 17]

Those odds suck. I bet 1000 posts on me:D

[Coleman]

I bet 1000 posts on Tom perfecting his tight game and destroying everyone including myself.

[Killer_7]

where will we play the games at

[Zell 17]

www.checknraisepoker.com

Real easy site and you don't need to download anything to use it.

[Benzine]

There has been a page of talk without mentioning how much good I play. That will change now. I've found the latest Vegas odds to win the GWPS 2. They are as the following:

Cole - EVEN
Eye - 2:1
kut - 5:1
Dean - 5:1
BTS - 6:1
Alu - 7:1
Zell - 10:1
Dan - 12:1
Chapta - 12:1
TranViet - 15:1
Kat - 15:1
Cluck - 15:1
Alec - 16:1
Gio - 20:1
Beowulf - 20:1
Everyone else I forgot: 100:1

:D


Y've forgotten me. I come after Everyone you forgot. 10,000:1

[JoetheShow]

do you give us the table number and then we search for it or how does that work, I'm sorry if that is a stupid question.

[The Eye in the Sky!]

The table will be in a specific location that either Cole or I will post in a new topic around 1 hour before the game starts. So check here before the game. It will usually be in the Private Tables/Medium area under the name zCole or iEye61, depending on who is hosting the table. Don't worry, it won't be complicated to find it.

[Coleman]

It would probably be wise for all of you to take a look around the program. To correct Tom, it will ALWAYS be under the Private Tab, medium level. (Not counting the final table which will likely be held at a higher blind level.) The table will always be under my name, or Toms name depending on who's hosting it, but with a little luck, both of us will be at every game. (Even if one or neither of us are playing that particular one.)

It's really not that complicated, so don't worry about it. Sometime the morning of the game, I will post that I'd like to host a game that night. And the approximate time I'd like. Anyone who is interested in playing that night, can post in the thread, possibly requesting a time change if they need it, and we'll see if it can be accomodated.

Now the last series had some 30-40 players. With about TEN active ones. From the looks of this list, I predict at least ten active players.

Myself, Tom, Dan, slick, Kat, BTS, Alec, and shortkut were all in the last series. And we all played in a lot of games.

From the new members, I see Dean, Zell, Cluck, The Blue Demon, and hopefully a few others also being active.

In the event that more than 10 players are prepared to play that evening. We will host multiple tables. (Which is why I may be bringing in another person to help host the series.) In that event. I will split everyone into equal groups. If there are more than 10 people, they will be split into two (or more if neccessary) equal groups, that will play simaltaneously.

Thats a brief (albeit long) explination.

[Believe The Sickness]

Sometime the morning of the game, I will post that I'd like to host a game that night.

We get less than 24-hours notice? :hmm:

[Coleman]

Considering there will be multiple games per-week, I don't see why more than 24 hour notice would be neccessary. This is a play money tournament with nothing at stake. I dont expect people to be cancelling or changing plans to play in a game, so I don't see how giving extra time would be at all beneficial.

[JoetheShow]

wow that is perfectly clear now, thanks. Oh and about the main poker forum, I'm sorry I'm blind :D

[Believe The Sickness]

I found it easier to make games last series when I knew at least a few days in advance. I didn't cancel or change plans because of online poker but it was better having some warning.

Since I will definitely not be on in the mornings and probably won't even be on until dinnertime on weekdays, I just think it will be difficult. Maybe that's just me though.

[shortkut]

at least give a general time like "i plan on having a game either tomorrow night or the night after at 11pm EST" somehting like that could make a world of difference

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Well, almost all of my tables will be starting on weekdays at 11-11:30 EST because that is my most convenient time. But, I'll talk more about that later.

[Pontus]

I have a question involving checkandraise poker. I just signed up for this series but it puts you on a different server for about a week. How will I be able to play in the first couple of games?

[Coleman]

We'll wait for everyone to get on one server, or you just wont play the first couple. You can only play in six total, so missing the first few isn't that big of a deal.

[Coleman]

Ok, this is the original ruling I had decided on how final table chip stacks would turn out...

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468332

1000 was the shortstack, and you got 100 extra chips for every point you have over your competition.

I've changed my mind.

After doing some math, I figured some things out.

In normal games, the blinds are 25 and 12.50, with a starting chip stack of 1000, that means if you NEVER PLAYED A HAND, you could survive 26 and a half sets of blinds before you bust. That's a good little average.

But for the final table, the blinds will be 50 and 25. Which means with a shortstack of 1000, you'd only get about 13 blinds before you busted.

However, if you DOUBLE 1000 to 2000, you get a perfect 26 and a half sets of blinds once again.

That's phase one.

Phase two comes by the fact that there are so little points seperating last place and first place. With blinds of 75 after the two of them, having it go up by ONLY 100 each place, means you can really only survive one EXTRA set of blinds.

So what I'm going to do is turn that 100, into a 500.

The shortest stack at that table will have 2000. If you have 3 more points than the short stack, you get an extra 1500. Every one point you have MORE than the shortest stack at the table is equal to 500 extra chips.

I feel that this will create the most exciting game, it gives even the shortest stack 26 and a half hands to make a move, and it gives the big stack something to be proud of. Thank you.