Uh..

[Dr. House]

Yeah. Tommy Pwns You got banned again. Someone told me to make this...so I did.

Troll - http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5509781&postcount=44

I trolled some kid in PIMI. It wasn't even a bad flame either. I was on ZT, but that shouldn't have mattered because it shouldn't have counted as a warning. I only had one previous offense to begin with.

People's opinions - http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5511791&postcount=51
http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5511451&postcount=23

Yeah. That's what they had to say.

I'm not going to persuede you guys with bullsh*t this time. You guys figure out this crap. I'm staying out of this until the end.

[Squall]

Since when was flaming called trolling? That was not a troll, that was a light flame in a forum that allows such (or at least doesn't sh*t out warnings for such). I'll agree with TPY for once.

[Dr. House]

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5513463&postcount=77

Something else.

[Ford Mustang]

People say things like Tommy did all the time! What should he get banned for? If all of the people who say that got banned, half of the population in GW today would be gone!

[Squall]

TPY was on ZT is why he was banned, but the fact stands that the post in question does not deserve a warning. If it did, then so does almost all the other posts in that forum.

['Sabator]

This was just unfortune for TPY. Noswal explained his reasons, and while I don't think he was very responsible, they were valid reasons all the same. It can't be undone now, most of GW doesn't understand PIMI's special rules. You wouldn't get away with that in most other forums.

[Tom]

Noswal's reasons weren't particularly valid, Sab, unless he's willing to ban the entire forum.

[snakebite]

There's the whole moderator discretion issue.

[Tom]

Yes, but this was akin to moderator discrimination.

['Sabator]

His reason about banning what he sees is perfectly valid. Not only that, but PIMI isn't the fairest forum. You are likely to get picked on if you aren't liked. That's the way the forum works, you should this better than I.

[Tom]

He sees far more that that, Sab. He's said worse things than that himself. I thought you might be sympathetic, considering the utter crap presented as evidence in your own banning. The 'half-link CT' was a memorable one.

[Gorg]

I really don't think what Nos did was fair, but I don't think that anyone is gonna lift that ban. Oh well.

[Torad]

The actual insult directed at FK just says, "You're boring." He said it in a crude way, but that's the bulk of it. I couldn't see that as a ban, regardless of a ZT status.

[Squall]

It was even the wrong category to warn him for. Trolling is posting intentionally false information to get a response. That was a light flame, well within the PIMI rules.

[tworow2]

Not necessarily false.

[Beowulf X]

After reading over the rules of PIMI again and looking at the warning, I'm going to side with Lawson on this one. Mild insults are allowed in PIMI, and in my opinion, what Tommy Pwns You did went beyond a mild insult. I'm not going to go into what was allowed in the past, I'm just looking at what happened here.

1. Tommy Pwns You goes on Zero Tolerance.
2. Tommy Pwns You breaks a forum rule.
3. Tommy Pwns You gets banned.

Seems justified to me.

[Crazy Jamie]

Somebody mentioned moderator discretion. That is the turning point here. At the end of the day no doubt the major argument in favour of TPY here is that the infringement occurred in a forum that is detached from normal forum rules. That much is true. Unfortunately, however, that is not really an argument in favour of him. That observation merely points out that moderator discretion plays a much larger role in that forum that in other forums, purely due to its nature. The vast majority of people do not understand the rules in that forum and do not understand the way the forum works. That puts more emphasis on the moderators when it comes to enforcing the rules because they know the standards by which conduct is judged in there. Beo said that to him that post from Tommy went beyond a mild insult. I agree- and by the standards that they work on most moderators would see things the same way. Clearly Noswal was of the same opinion.

I do find the comment from Victoria interesting. However, a disagreement from a co-mod does not mean that a decision was wrong. It means just that- that there was a disagreement. The only way that the TPY account could be unbanned is for Noswal to withdraw that warning. That is his decision, and there is little that anyone else can do about it.

['Sabator]

I doubt Lawson will withdraw the warning, it would make him look like an idiot.

And Tom, I'm not being unsympathetic, I'm just saying the guy had a combination of bad luck and the fact that the moderator in question, as well as most of the forum, disliked him. I don't think Noswal meant for him to be banned at all. Maybe he even regrets giving the warning. I don't know. But it's over, Tommy has a new name, he can keep posting, so what's the ****ing problem?

[Lawson]

Truthfully, I felt kind of bad about handing out his final warning because he was an alright member, while a majority of the PIMI frequenteurs really piss me off.. However, I was just doing my job by enforcing the rules, and after seeing his usernotes, facts are facts, rules are rules, and I had to do my mod duty and request the ban. I did and still do believe what he said went beyond a mild flame/troll. People are telling me "but oh what about all the other stuff from the split?"...well, I never saw the split out posts, so therefore I cannot pass judgment on them. Had I seen them (I still have not seen them), I'm sure some action might have been taken. The PIMI population, quite honestly, really irks me. They have this mindset that if you haven't been posting there for awhile, or they don't know who you are, or if you're just new, you are not allowed. I cannot tell you how many people they've driven from the forum by whatever means they find necessary. I would do something about it, but nothing they've done was against the rules. I don't think anything can be done about this, but if anyone has any ideas, I'd be glad to hear them.

In conclusion, it would be completely wrong to withdraw such an action purely for the fact that I liked having a certain member around. The warning stands.

[Tom]

Beowulf, you're reading the old rules. Try the forum announcement. That specifies that 'flames' - not 'light flames' - are allowed with minimum justification, although not for no reason. Considering Fire King's making posts like (off the top of my head) "I'll stick around just to annoy you".

Lawson, Fire King was around for months before he was banned. And PIMI does tolerate new people, just not people like CaptainPain and Fire King. If you don't like PIMI, why don't you stop modding it. You're the one who said it's nothing special, so you might as well save yourself the bother of having to post in a forum you evidently dislike.

[Crazy Jamie]

Flaming: Back in the mists of time, when the gods of Gamewinners created PIMI, it was decreed that light flaming would be permitted. Unfortunately, this sole guideline doesn't cut it anymore. If the sole point of a thread posted is to flame a person, you'll be warned. Unlike the Thunderdome, flaming on its own does not constitute a valid topic. However, if your thread has a topic, and you happen to flame someone along the way, carry right on. In the course of a thread, a post that flames will only be allowed if it's somewhat applicable to the topic, or if the post gives some sort of reason for a flame.

As always, Racial or Homosexual slurs are not permitted. This also seems like an appropriate time to mention not to attempt to bypass the forum's censors in PIMI. Flaming is a gray area in PIMI, as are many things, and as stated above, the final decision rests with the moderators.Underlining and boldness added to emphasise important sections.

At the end of the day Tom you say that flaming is allowed as long as there is a reason for it. The rules allow for reasons that are not applicable to the thread, and flaming someone to annoy them is a reason. Reading between the lines and inserting common sense, the rules actually mean that flaming is allowed as long as there is a valid reason for it. It will come as no surprise to anyone that the ones that decide what is valid are the moderators. You see, at the end of the day it all comes down to moderator discretion- especially in a forum like that. Noswal has given his reasons for warning Tommy, and those reasons fall in line directly with what his job is.

[Lawson]

Why is Tom writing rules???

And about removing myself from the mod position in PIMI...it has crossed my mind, because I hate pretty much being a 'poster boy' for the idiots in there and because I'm pretty much just tired of their old bullsh*t. It's not YOUR forum. Hell, it's not even my forum, so why should anyone, member or moderator, be the judge of who should and should not be able to post there? It's just ridiculous that everyone has to argue with each other and gang up and badger 'new' people like a bunch of 8 year old on a playground. The only reason I'm staying on for now is because I hope it will get better, but if it doesn't, I'm gone. It's no wonder KSD quit that forum. In a way, it's a lot worse than the Thunderdome.

['Sabator]

Tom is writing rules because neither you, or anyone else, could be bothered to do so.

We don't hate all new people. People such as Sarah have come in with no problem. But PIMI is a fairly closed-off community, we don't really want any new people unless they are contributing., funny, and not total retards.

[Dr. House]

However, if your thread has a topic, and you happen to flame someone along the way, carry right on. In the course of a thread, a post that flames will only be allowed if it's somewhat applicable to the topic, or if the post gives some sort of reason for a flame.
Exactly what I did. He said "Now let's wait for the insults to roll in...", so I of course took the opprotunity to insult him. Mind you I wasn't calling him a douche bag, I was refering the douche bag more interesting than him. Clearly I was along the guidelines of the rules.

However, I am not going to argue with Lawson's verdict. If he really feels that that post was subject to a warning, then I feel I should receive proper punishment, no matter how unfair.

As much as I'm just "Giving up", it's true. You can't beat a mod in a court case, so matter who has the upper hand.

[Northern Lights]

Surely saying "Now wait for the insults" is an invitation though...

Anyway, saying that somebody is "boring" doesn't warrant a warning in my books. The bottom line is, you have to treat all forum members as equals and in the occasions that I have glanced in at PIMI, I have seen flaming which has been more vicious than this.

However, Noswal is the only person that can rescind the warning and he seems certain that it is a warning.

[Tom]

Tom is writing rules because neither you, or anyone else, could be bothered to do so.

We don't hate all new people. People such as Sarah have come in with no problem. But PIMI is a fairly closed-off community, we don't really want any new people unless they are contributing., funny, and not total retards.

F*cking brilliant. Now Noswal think's he's better than us too. I suggested to Victoria we needed rules for cases such as these, where it had to be pointed out the free reign that PIMI is generally given. Victoria said it would be impossible, I said I'd prove her wrong. She said she'd put those rules up. Easy. They work. Jesus just posted why he's right, but it'll be ignored because he should have been banned before anyway.

why should anyone, member or moderator, be the judge of who should and should not be able to post there? It's just ridiculous that everyone has to argue with each other and gang up and badger 'new' people like a bunch of 8 year old on a playground.

If someones an idiot, they get flamed. They either post without being an ass or leave. And that's the worst case of hypocrisy I've ever heard. You used to be just like everyone else until you got modded. Then you told everyone how it was nothing special, and now you're suddenly 'My, that's sooo last year'.

The only reason I'm staying on for now is because I hope it will get better, but if it doesn't, I'm gone. It's no wonder KSD quit that forum.

KSD quit because no-one liked her. Everyone (me included) likes you, but that's diminishing fast when you pull sh*t this this, claiming to have developed selective vision.

[Tome]

Truthfully, I felt kind of bad about handing out his final warning because he was an alright member, while a majority of the PIMI frequenteurs really piss me off.. However, I was just doing my job by enforcing the rules, and after seeing his usernotes, facts are facts, rules are rules, and I had to do my mod duty and request the ban. I did and still do believe what he said went beyond a mild flame/troll. People are telling me "but oh what about all the other stuff from the split?"...well, I never saw the split out posts, so therefore I cannot pass judgment on them. Had I seen them (I still have not seen them), I'm sure some action might have been taken. The PIMI population, quite honestly, really irks me. They have this mindset that if you haven't been posting there for awhile, or they don't know who you are, or if you're just new, you are not allowed. I cannot tell you how many people they've driven from the forum by whatever means they find necessary. I would do something about it, but nothing they've done was against the rules. I don't think anything can be done about this, but if anyone has any ideas, I'd be glad to hear them.
Lawson just said that he was ignorant and didn't know all the facts when he banned Tommy. Surely if you are going to issue a warning that will lead to a band you should know everything about what is going on.

At the end of the day Tom you say that flaming is allowed as long as there is a reason for it.
Surely saying "Now wait for the insults" is an invitation though...
Yeah, seriously.

Anyway, saying that somebody is "boring" doesn't warrant a warning in my books. The bottom line is, you have to treat all forum members as equals and in the occasions that I have glanced in at PIMI, I have seen flaming which has been more vicious than this.
Of course you have. It's like that on a daily basis.

Exactly what I did. He said "Now let's wait for the insults to roll in...", so I of course took the opprotunity to insult him. Mind you I wasn't calling him a douche bag, I was refering the douche bag more interesting than him. Clearly I was along the guidelines of the rules.
I do see how a rule was broken. Someone explain to me what rule was broken, please.

However, I am not going to argue with Lawson's verdict. If he really feels that that post was subject to a warning, then I feel I should receive proper punishment, no matter how unfair.
If he can give me a good reason why he reached that verdict I won't argue, either.

And about removing myself from the mod position in PIMI...it has crossed my mind, because I hate pretty much being a 'poster boy' for the idiots in there and because I'm pretty much just tired of their old bullsh*t. It's not YOUR forum. Hell, it's not even my forum, so why should anyone, member or moderator, be the judge of who should and should not be able to post there? It's just ridiculous that everyone has to argue with each other and gang up and badger 'new' people like a bunch of 8 year old on a playground. The only reason I'm staying on for now is because I hope it will get better, but if it doesn't, I'm gone. It's no wonder KSD quit that forum. In a way, it's a lot worse than the Thunderdome.
I came into PIMI new. I came into PIMI as a noob with a name that was in all caps. They bothered me. I didn't go away. Now I am tolerated. All you have to do is grow a brain.

I doubt Lawson will withdraw the warning, it would make him look like an idiot.
Because warning someone without all the information, refusing to look at the information even when everyone, including several mods, and even one who mods the same forum, says there is something wrong, refusing to listen to logic, and being hypocritical don't?

As much as I'm just "Giving up", it's true. You can't beat a mod in a court case, so matter who has the upper hand.
I guess it is time someone fixed the system then.

Whew, that's about all I have to say for now (well, there's plenty more I would like to say, but that would be against the rules).

[Tome]

Geez. I really hate myself sometimes.

"I do see how a rule was broken. Someone explain to me what rule was broken, please."

It should say, "I do not see how a rule was broken. Someone explain to me what rule was broken, please."

Normally, I wouldn't make a double post to explain a typo, but that one kind of contradicts my whole point, so I felt it needed to be pointed out.

[Tom]

"All you have to do is grow a brain."

[Beowulf X]

I do not see how a rule was broken. Someone explain to me what rule was broken, please.

Read the top of the page. Jamie explained it quite well.

[Tom]

Yes, and it's been sucessfully argued that there was a reason. Read plz?

[tworow2]

And about removing myself from the mod position in PIMI

You're a mod for the members. None of them want you.

Do it.

Also, stop saying job, that's sad.

[Crazy Jamie]

Read the top of the page. Jamie explained it quite well.
Oh good. I was wondering when I read his post whether my post was visible at all.

[Gorg]

And about removing myself from the mod position in PIMI...it has crossed my mind, because I hate pretty much being a 'poster boy' for the idiots in there and because I'm pretty much just tired of their old bullsh*t. It's not YOUR forum. Hell, it's not even my forum, so why should anyone, member or moderator, be the judge of who should and should not be able to post there? It's just ridiculous that everyone has to argue with each other and gang up and badger 'new' people like a bunch of 8 year old on a playground. The only reason I'm staying on for now is because I hope it will get better, but if it doesn't, I'm gone. It's no wonder KSD quit that forum. In a way, it's a lot worse than the Thunderdome.

I came into PIMI not even half a year back, and I only got mildly flamed for about a week. It really isn't as bad as you make it out to be, and you know it. It's not gonna change anytime soon, so if you don't like it, you're welcome to go.

[Lawson]

I came into PIMI not even half a year back, and I only got mildly flamed for about a week. It really isn't as bad as you make it out to be, and you know it. It's not gonna change anytime soon, so if you don't like it, you're welcome to go.
Yeah, it's great that you were able to 'tolerate the punishment' and all, but this isn't some sort of retarded middle school fraternity. There is no 'adjustment period' or 'initiation', well at least there shouldn't be.

I read all the posts on the page and can't really be bothered to reply to them because I don't give a sh*t. I did what I thought was right. Boohoo and a box of tissues, but what's done is done.
Lawson just said that he was ignorant and didn't know all the facts when he banned Tommy. Surely if you are going to issue a warning that will lead to a band you should know everything about what is going on. In his usernotes, it states
"Zero Tolerance
I have placed this member on a Zero Tolerance that begins on April 24, 2005, and ends on July 24, 2005.
Any infractions by this member in that time frame should result in a ban."

What's there to confuse about that? A person's usernotes are used to make notes about them and their history. If there's more that I should know, then damn, I'd love to hear it. However, there was nothing else in his notes, so I took the administrator-suggested action.

As for the rules, I see no problem in the rules we've had in place the entire-freaking-time. They go along with every other forum in GW except for the fact that "Mild insults will be allowed." and the whole post counts being off. People saying that we didn't have suitable rules need to shut up, because the forum-wide rules with the exception of mild insults are just fine and dandy. The forum did not/does not need new rules. It just needs its members to grow up a little and learn how to interact with other people. Perhaps leave the house every now and then, get some vitamin D if they live in an environment rich with sunlight.

Tom, how am I suggesting that I am better than the rest of the PIMI population? Is it that I don't flame and troll and generally poke fun all the time? It's like I'm back in f*cking 6th grade. Screw that. It's either re-do the rules and have you all conform hardcore or just say to hell with it. It doesn't seem right to have any members writing rules or having your co-mod post them without at least letting you know about a change or running them by you because you might disagree, as I do in this case. I see no reason to let people 'lightly' flame or troll each other. If you want to bitch at each other and babble on like a bunch of nancies, go to the Thunderdome.

[Dr. House]

I'm sick of talking of the sh*t.

I got banned. Who cares.

Lawson wins thread, and nobody can change that.

Now then...leave.

[Cecil DK Knight]

I personally don't agree with the warning, but from what's been said, it can't be undone. So there's no use ranting and raving about it.

We don't hate all new people. People such as Sarah have come in with no problem. But PIMI is a fairly closed-off community, we don't really want any new people unless they are contributing., funny, and not total retards.

You're kidding right? You're associating a "community" with a forum? Yeah...you give the phrase "epitome of failure" a whole new meaning.

Why is Tom writing rules???

He's just going through withdrawl because he was de-modded almost as quickly as he was instated.

And about removing myself from the mod position in PIMI...it has crossed my mind, because I hate pretty much being a 'poster boy' for the idiots in there and because I'm pretty much just tired of their old bullsh*t. It's not YOUR forum. Hell, it's not even my forum, so why should anyone, member or moderator, be the judge of who should and should not be able to post there? It's just ridiculous that everyone has to argue with each other and gang up and badger 'new' people like a bunch of 8 year old on a playground. The only reason I'm staying on for now is because I hope it will get better, but if it doesn't, I'm gone. It's no wonder KSD quit that forum. In a way, it's a lot worse than the Thunderdome.

You're waiting around for it to get better? With the current "regulars" roaming it now, it's not going to change it's going to continue to be the "retarded middle school fraternity" as you stated. PIMI is like the new T-Dome because it's got the activity the T-Dome once had, it also houses the same type of inflated-ego members the T-Dome once did. PIMI isn't on the same intellectual level as the old T-Dome though, nor is it humorous.

In his usernotes, it states
"Zero Tolerance
I have placed this member on a Zero Tolerance that begins on April 24, 2005, and ends on July 24, 2005.
Any infractions by this member in that time frame should result in a ban."

Keyword there is should, so in reality (so to speak), a ban wasn't necessary correct? At least that's the way I read it.

[Lawson]

I sound like everyone's parents here, but what part of 'any infractions' don't you understand? It's not like I had it out for the kid...Hell, if I was nitpicky enough, that Poseidon kid would be banned for having a signature 250 kb over the limit after he returned from being banned and onto his ZT, which he is still on. Instead, I asked him to shorten it. I'm not out to get anyone on here...it's the freaking internet, nothing really matters here except my bank statement.

And Cecil, if you want to know about me, you can ask me personally instead of asking others (Sarah)...

[Tom]

He's just going through withdrawl because he was de-modded almost as quickly as he was instated.

I was modded 9 months ago. I was demodded 6 months ago. WTF?

how am I suggesting that I am better than the rest of the PIMI population?
I sound like everyone's parents here

??

Is it that I don't flame and troll and generally poke fun all the time?

Are you suggesting PIMI does? If so, you do see it, and this warning stinks.

[Rabid]

personally, I don't see the point of that entire forum. If you want to say something completely and utterly mindless, I don't see why those members couldn't create a Club, Clan, or Usergroup.

That or keep it on AIM...

[Dr. House]

I thought this was me trying to challenge the warning, not discuss how PIMI sucks.

It doesn't. Lawson is a good mod. So yeah. He just gave a bad warning, nothing to say he is a bad mod for.

[Lawson]

You were on ZT with previous warnings...and you posted a legitimate troll.

According to the rules, in PIMI and every other forum in GW, and the administrator's message in your usernotes, I did the correct thing. Get over it. Goddamn, people. You have the most selective hearing/reading I've ever seen.

So, just so you remember....MEMBER HAD MANY PREVIOUS WARNINGS...MEMBER WAS ON ZERO TOLERANCE...and what's the use of putting a member on zero tolerance if they can break the rules and still retain membership? None, so just get over it.

[Squall]

and you posted a legitimate troll.
What definition of troll are we using? That doesn't seem anything like a troll, it's a flame.

[Lawson]

Flame = you're an assh*le. (no, I'm not saying that to you)

Troll = provoking a member to flame you (as an act of retaliation), perhaps by saying something about someone's mom and a douche.

[Dr. House]

You were on ZT with previous warnings...and you posted a legitimate troll.

According to the rules, in PIMI and every other forum in GW, and the administrator's message in your usernotes, I did the correct thing. Get over it. Goddamn, people. You have the most selective hearing/reading I've ever seen.

So, just so you remember....MEMBER HAD MANY PREVIOUS WARNINGS...MEMBER WAS ON ZERO TOLERANCE...and what's the use of putting a member on zero tolerance if they can break the rules and still retain membership? None, so just get over it.
Whoa easy. Remember, I'm not blaming you. You did what you had to.

[Tome]

Oh, come on, people. Tommy himself has said this is over. Let it die, please. Lawson is obviously sticking with the choice he made. He obviously thinks it is right. When the day ends that is all that really matters. You people aren't even fighting for an idea anymore, you are just fighting to beat Lawson. You can't. He was doing his job.

If it seems that I have flipped sides, well, I have not, at least not on purpose. I guess that Lawson just did a better job of convincing me he was right.

I'm sick of talking of the sh*t.

I got banned. Who cares.

Lawson wins thread, and nobody can change that.

Now then...leave.
Do you see people? It's over. You can stop caring now.

[Lawson]

The last reiteration in all caps was for the idiots with pitchforks, as Victoria called them...not you. As far as I know, you're over this, and I am too.

[Squall]

Flame = you're an assh*le. (no, I'm not saying that to you)

Troll = provoking a member to flame you (as an act of retaliation), perhaps by saying something about someone's mom and a douche.
I would class that as flamebait rather than a troll, but at least I know what you consider to be a troll now. :)

[Lawson]

I would class that as flamebait rather than a troll, but at least I know what you consider to be a troll now. :)
Or like everyone else who has read the rules...
Trolling is another common problem here at GameWinners.com Forums. The big difference between "trolling" and "flaming" is that a direct insult is not always the factor. It simply has to be a comment intended to antagonize another person.

Trolling is where a member provokes another member into an argument or flame war by means of flaming the member, or making a post when the member knows full-well that it will cause an argument or flame war.

[Squall]

I don't usually read rules for definitions when I already know what a word means.

[Beowulf X]

I don't usually read rules for definitions when I already know what a word means.

Well, in this case, I guess you didn't. It really doesn't matter though. Can we just put this to an end? TPY gave up, and so should the rest of you.

[Dr. House]

Actually, I was meaning to do this last night but fell asleep.

I'd like an admin's opinion on all of this before this is closed. Therefore I would like no more posts in this thread until an admins post. Thanks for all the contributing I guess.

[Crazy Jamie]

I'd like an admin's opinion on all of this before this is closed.Is there any specific reason? It really looks to me like this thread is well past its sell by date with little more to discuss.

[Lawson]

I think all the admins quit, by the way. They've been online lately, but they haven't done crap lately, at least that anyone can actually see on the boards.

[Northern Lights]

I was modded 9 months ago. I was demodded 6 months ago. WTF?


You were a mod for three months? It felt like about a week.

Wait, Mark posted like twice in that period of time that you were a mod. It must have been three months.

That is a troll.

[Beowulf X]

I think all the admins quit, by the way. They've been online lately, but they haven't done crap lately, at least that anyone can actually see on the boards.

Al - Never posts outside Staff forum
Isis - AWOL
Ben - MIA
Mark - Gone
Vash - Too busy playing Guild Wars to care.

[Cecil DK Knight]

You were a mod for three months? It felt like about a week.
Which is why I made the comment about him going through mod-withdrawl. :D

[VashTheStampede]

Beo, you forgot to mention that I have a job now too.

I'm reviewing the case right now, and I'll post in a few minutes with a ruling...but at first glance, TPY has a pretty decent point...

[VashTheStampede]

The rules in PIMI have been something that has annoyed me for quite a while. You either have to have rules, or don't have rules. A middle ground is damn hard to acheive. It would take some pretty damn good mods to properly run a forum like that. Guess that wasn't the case in one instance.

Every topic I've seen in the forum has had all sorts of insults being tossed around, but then again, I don't frequent the forum all too often. I've seen a few homosexual slurs, which are a BIG no-no at this site. But I let it go, because the impression was given that this forum was supposed to ignore the usual rules of GW. Basically, it would be a haven for the members much like the subforum of the Moderator's forum. It looked to me as if it was a forum that was somewhat run by the members (so in reference to a recent post of yours in PIMI, Lawson...a member writing the rules of the forum doesn't surprise me one bit).

This just looks like a case of picking and choosing when to enforce rules, to me. And this seemed like a pretty damn mild troll, compared to the rest of the forum. Hell, at least he implied that the guy's mom at least ATTEMPTS to keep her vagina clean.

I think Victoria's post that TPY linked to says a lot here.

I'm unbanning Tommy Pwns You. Besides, I enacted the ZT on the kid, so I'll decide what does and doesn't break it.

This was goddamned ridiculous. You wonder why the admins aren't 100% active? We keep having to clean up stupid crap like this that shouldn't even be an issue.