Permanent Banning

[Tommy Boy]

I took this into consideration before actually making this, so hear me out.

This all concerns my Tommy Pwns You account. Around three or four weeks ago, I bumped a thread in Public Groups, only to save it from the forum purging. I clearly understood that you must get the moderator of that forum to bump it for you, but the moderators to that forum were the administrators. Now whenever I tried to PM an administrator for something, I have never gotten a reply. So I went on and did this myself, risking a ban. So about four days ago, Lunar Cresant came in and told me, "I could so totally ban you for that", and left. I thought he was joking, until the administrator Blind Guardian came in and replied to his post saying, "And I will ban him for that." Note that this was only a temporary ban, ending April 24th, 2005. I had no problem with that because I knew it was a direct violation of the rules. I continued to post on my other username "Chipper" until April 24th.

Now this wasn't the end.

Before I was banned, I made a clan called "The Pwnd Club" in Clubs and Clans. Yes, It might sound like a corny idea, but that is not the point. I had around 18 members in at the time, and things were doing good. I got banned, and went on my brother's username to joke around with two kids that were in there at the time. This was a plain little joke with one post of alt. account chatting. The rest was me on my brothers account not even flaming these people. The worst thing I said in that conversation was stupid. So this is when Alu and Shiven step in. They threaten to permanently ban the account Tommy Pwns You. Now wait a second, why would you do that? This has nothing to do with that account, and my friends did not find anything offensive, so why would THAT account have to be banned? I would have no problem if you banned the other accounts, but not the one that I use all the time.

Now listen, I wasn't going to do this because it's just a forum, but just thinking about leaving your friends, and just not being around feels so strange. I mean, what do I do when I come home from school? Gamewinners. After dinner? Gamewinners. Before bed? Gamewinners. At school? Gamewinners. Go ahead, call me a kid with no life, but after being here for so long I have learned that I really like this site, I like the environment, and I especially like the people. Everyone knows I'm not some hard ass on this site, I'm just here to make some friends and help some people out, possibly have some casual conversation. So if you would reconsider that permanent ban, that would be great. Because really, I don't want to leave.

[Vamp]

Yay, you have to reconsider after reading that, that is a oscar performance, no permenant ban

[Just Andrew]

A temporary ban is nothing to complain about, but I feel that tommy should not be permanently banned for what happened on C&C, he does deserve a temporary ban don't get me wrong, but there is no need to ban him permanently. Its not like he is a n00b who is complaining he was banned because he cursed out a mod, Tommy is the oposite of a n00b. Helped me make ASCII. I think tommy does deserve another chance. Im not an admin and I can't do much about it, but Im not the only one with this opinion.

Poseidon Says: I dont think tommy should be perma banned, since in most other times, if an account is banned, it doesnt affect other accounts

If anything, "Chipper" should be, not "Tommy Pwns You".

[Aston Martin]

Tommy is a good person. Its not like he goes around and Flames and Spams. He deserves to be here since he loves here so much, and he has met so many people. A temporary ban is okay, but I don't think it was that serious for him to get a permanent ban. I think he deserves a warning.

[Vamp]

Yeah, admins the people are against you, without Tommy I would never of learned what PWNS meant.

[Vinny]

If you're temp-banned, it's to keep you away from the site for a while for breaking the rules, as a punishment. It isn't an invitation to say "Sure, just post your pointless sh*t on another account for a couple of weeks".

Stop whining and just accept it. You obviously couldn't stay away from the site for two weeks, so what changed? You lost your post count. Boo-frickin'-hoo. You lost your reputation. Big freakin' deal. You lost your username - yet you seemed perfectly content with posting for two weeks under the alias "Chipper". Stop making such a fuss.

I'm surprised Beegee didn't permanently ban you from the start - the announcement clearly stated that anyone caught bumping dead threads would be banned outright, and as far as I'm aware, outright means dead certain, not "for a few weeks".

Tommy is the oposite of a n00b.
He makes ASCII art and starts court cases about banning. He might not be a n00b, but he certainly isn't the opposite of one.

He deserves to be here since he loves here so much
Exactly, that's why he has the Chipper account.

and he has met so many people.
He seems quite content with advertising in his sig and CT that he's the same person, so no problem there.

A temporary ban is okay, but I don't think it was that serious for him to get a permanent ban.
Despite the fact that the announcement that appears at the top of every freaking forum clearly stated that anyone who bumps a thread will be banned outright...?

Lunar Cresant came in and told me, "I could so totally ban you for that", and left. I thought he was joking
Lunar Crescent is a girl.

[Lumina]

I had no problem with that because I knew it was a direct violation of the rules. I continued to post on my other username "Chipper" until April 24th.

He wasn't complaining.

Before I was banned, I made a clan called "The Pwnd Club" in Clubs and Clans. Yes, It might sound like a corny idea, but that is not the point. I had around 18 members in at the time, and things were doing good. I got banned, and went on my brother's username to joke around with two kids that were in there at the time. This was a plain little joke with one post of alt. account chatting. The rest was me on my brothers account not even flaming these people. The worst thing I said in that conversation was stupid. So this is when Alu and Shiven step in. They threaten to permanently ban the account Tommy Pwns You. Now wait a second, why would you do that? This has nothing to do with that account, and my friends did not find anything offensive, so why would THAT account have to be banned? I would have no problem if you banned the other accounts, but not the one that I use all the time.

This is the part he was talking about, not perm. ban.

Vinny, did you even read the whole thing?

[Aston Martin]

I guess he didn't read it.
He seems quite content with advertising in his sig and CT that he's the same person, so no problem there.
If you know tommy you would know that he doesn't like his chipper name.

[Vinny]

Vinny, did you even read the whole thing?
Yes. Did you read mine? I doubt it.

[Lumina]

Yes. Did you read mine? I doubt it.

Yes, I read yours.

[shortkut]

when alt. accounts are used to talk to each other, it is usually both them and the original account that get banned. your original screenname is tommy pwns you and you had alt accounts talking to each other. i'm unsure of what should be done because at the time of the incident chipper was your main screen name seeing as the tommy one was banned

[VG Master64]

I know that I probably have no place posting here, but I agree with Tommy. I've only known him for a few months, and even I know that he's not a person who runs around breaking the rules. Now, as I agree with the temp-ban, a permanent ban for a second offense seems a little extreme to me. And the second offense was made on his backup account, not the one that was temp-banned. If you as me, that seems a little unfair.

[Just Andrew]

when alt. accounts are used to talk to each other, it is usually both them and the original account that get banned. your original screenname is tommy pwns you and you had alt accounts talking to each other. i'm unsure of what should be done because at the time of the incident chipper was your main screen name seeing as the tommy one was bannedIf anything, the chipper should be the one banned and the Tommy Pwns You should only and still be on a temporary ban. This is quite a confussing situation.

[Gorg]

Tommy, stop whining. You did something you knew was against the rules and could get banned for. Just because you lost your main account doesn't mean you have to stop posting here.

[Vinny]

Yes, I read yours.
Did you actually interpret my post, or did you just sit there rubbing the stubble on your chin with your Sherlock Holmes-esque cap on?

If anything, the chipper should be the one banned and the Tommy Pwns You should only and still be on a temporary ban.
So that's the case, is it?

I'd appreciate it if you could tell me what on Earth banning a temporary account that would be used for two weeks then forgotten forever would accomplish? The point of a banning is punishment. If he chooses to offend while he's being given a chance to be unbanned, he has to be ready to face the consequences.

[Tommy Boy]

How was I "offending"?

[CommandConquer]

I would like to offer up the point, that Tommy/Chipper actions were in good intentions. Yes, bumping a thread had been stated as a bannable offense, but he could not get anyone of rank to respond. Sadly, the only way he could get them to respond is by bumping it himself. I feel that a two week ban was harsh, yet acceptable. However, I feel that Alu and Shiven had no right to threaten him with a permanant ban. Several members, including mods, use alternate accounts. If you are going to ban him, I ask that you take into consideration those staff members, including Shiven, that have multipe accounts be demodded, at least, and possibly banned. Staff are to set the standards for members. Why should you expect them to behave in a better manner than those on your staff?

[Super₣ly]

I have a solution, in this hatred ofm the mods shiven and Tommy, lets ban SuperFly again. But seriously the notice says ask mods to sticky for you, i RARLEY see the admins ion here. So what he did was not wrong i believe. But the thing in C&C, if he wasnt spamming then who cares. Has he hurt/offended you??

[shortkut]

I would like to offer up the point, that Tommy/Chipper actions were in good intentions. Yes, bumping a thread had been stated as a bannable offense, but he could not get anyone of rank to respond. Sadly, the only way he could get them to respond is by bumping it himself. I feel that a two week ban was harsh, yet acceptable. However, I feel that Alu and Shiven had no right to threaten him with a permanant ban. Several members, including mods, use alternate accounts. If you are going to ban him, I ask that you take into consideration those staff members, including Shiven, that have multipe accounts be demodded, at least, and possibly banned. Staff are to set the standards for members. Why should you expect them to behave in a better manner than those on your staff?
you can have multiple accounts, you just can't have those accounts interact with each other that's what tommy/chipper did

[Vinny]

If you are going to ban him, I ask that you take into consideration those staff members, including Shiven, that have multipe accounts be demodded, at least, and possibly banned.
It isn't the owning of multiple accounts that is the case, it is the conversation between the two that is the bannable offense.

when alt. accounts are used to talk to each other, it is usually both them and the original account that get banned. your original screenname is tommy pwns you and you had alt accounts talking to each other.
F'naa.

[Tommy Boy]

you can have multiple accounts, you just can't have those accounts interact with each other that's what tommy/chipper did
Not Tommy Pwns You though. I don't see how this is dragged into it. And one other thing. It was one interaction, and mods do it all the time. We just don't know it because we don't have an IP checker.

[CommandConquer]

you can have multiple accounts, you just can't have those accounts interact with each other that's what tommy/chipper did

I have seen you and Midnite Klown interact with your alternates. How dare you take a stance in this knowing full and well that mods break this rule? Are they allowed to break rules whenever the mood strikes them? Who is to stop them from trolling members and then warning them when they flame as Alu has done in the past? Unless you people are willing to follow your rules, do not expect the members to follow them. They are just following your example.

[Super₣ly]

Kown i can name about 5 acounts, shortkut about 4, always spamming together........So, i guess mods have special abbilites like talking to themselves and spam with each other in the same accounts but we cant?? Crazy world.....

[Vinny]

Kown i can name about 5 acounts, shortkut about 4, always spamming together........So, i guess mods have special abbilites like talking to themselves and spam with each other in the same accounts but we cant?? Crazy world.....
The mods have earned their moderator spots on the site. They deserve slightly greater privileges than other members.

Not Tommy Pwns You though.
when alt. accounts are used to talk to each other, it is usually both them and the original account that get banned. your original screenname is tommy pwns you and you had alt accounts talking to each other.
Stop whining, you pre-pubescent 10 year old.

[Tommy Boy]

Stop whining, you pre-pubescent 10 year old.
Your seriously slipping on your insults if you can't find something better to say than that. I'm 15 in two days. And I'm not whining. If you didn't care about this situation, you wouldn't keep coming back to try to damage my self esteem.

[shortkut]

Kown i can name about 5 acounts, shortkut about 4, always spamming together........So, i guess mods have special abbilites like talking to themselves and spam with each other in the same accounts but we cant?? Crazy world.....
i have one alternate and i never interact with it. klown doesn't interact with his either. if i remember correctly you have over 3 warnings on this name too which means it should be banned which would be your 3rd time being banned which puts you on BoS

[Super₣ly]

Actually, it would be my second time SK. You should check the mod forums more. And if i get banned? Ill make another account. I am a loyal member.

[shortkut]

Actually, it would be my second time SK. You should check the mod forums more. And if i get banned? Ill make another account. I am a loyal member.
when i mentioned it to you in one of the clans you said you were already banned twice. still, you would probably rack up warning on the next account you make too

[Super₣ly]

I have been trying, i got one warning from you in C&P because my message got cut off, i have not been spamming, or flamming or any other crap. Ive been trying to change ever since i was banned.

[Vinny]

If you didn't care about this situation, you wouldn't keep coming back to try to damage my self esteem.
Just because I'm not an administrator doesn't mean I can't fight on their side. I don't believe I ever said that I didn't care... :tease:

Your seriously slipping
My seriously slipping? I don't have a seriously slipping. Are you going to buy me one? I'd love a serioussly slipping! If you get me one, can it be maroon?

And I'm not whining.
If you aren't whining, just take the banning like a man and stop moaning about how it was SOE UNFARE TAHT TEH ADMENS B& U!

I am a loyal member.
...despite the fact that you started a website and advertised it as "BETTER THAN GW"? (even though all it really did was leech a few members and have a different look, hell, it even had the same forum names as GW)

[Super₣ly]

Just because I'm not an administrator doesn't mean I can't fight on their side. I don't believe I ever said that I didn't care... :tease:


My seriously slipping? I don't have a seriously slipping. Are you going to buy me one? I'd love a serioussly slipping! If you get me one, can it be maroon?


If you aren't whining, just take the banning like a man and stop moaning about how it was SOE UNFARE TAHT TEH ADMENS B& U!


...despite the fact that you started a website and advertised it as "BETTER THAN GW"? (even though all it really did was leech a few members and have a different look, hell, it even had the same forum names as GW)

Vinny, your soo correct, would you marry me?

[shortkut]

I have been trying, i got one warning from you in C&P because my message got cut off, i have not been spamming, or flamming or any other crap. Ive been trying to change ever since i was banned.
you had 4 logged by the time i logged yours from C&P

vinny, what are you talking about sides? i'm neutral here.

[Super₣ly]

you had 4 logged by the time i logged yours from C&P

vinny, what are you talking about sides? i'm neutral here.

Ok, id like to see them, as i had no notice from any mods about them.

[shortkut]

Ok, id like to see them, as i had no notice from any mods about them.
kat warned yotu march 27th for bypassing CT censors
1 in C&C for spam
and then the 1 i gave you.

so i was off, its still enough to ban you if we wanted to.

[Super₣ly]

Id like to see the link to C&C please, and i didnt know kat warned me, she just asked me to take it out.

[Vinny]

Vinny, your soo correct, would you marry me?
Yes.

vinny, what are you talking about sides? i'm neutral here.
I didn't say that you were on a side. I said that I agreed with the banning.

[Just Andrew]

My seriously slipping? I don't have a seriously slipping. Are you going to buy me one? I'd love a serioussly slipping! If you get me one, can it be maroon?You're kidding right, one grammer mistake can mess up the entire sentece for you? And yet if someone says "Ur" you fully understand :hmm: . If you aren't whining, just take the banning like a man and stop moaning about how it was SOE UNFARE TAHT TEH ADMENS B& U!to be fare, what he posted was calmly stated, he tried to prove his point in a dignified way. He wasn't misspelling or using unnecessary excelmation points. Re-read the first post and be amazed...

[Vinny]

You're kidding right, one grammer mistake can mess up the entire sentece for you? And yet if someone says "Ur" you fully understand.
Hey, have you heard about that new-fangled sarcasm thing they have these days? Pretty nice stuff, from what I hear!

to be fare, what he posted was calmly stated, he tried to prove his point in a dignified way. He wasn't misspelling or using unnecessary excelmation points. Re-read the first post and be amazed...
When did I ever say he didn't state it and whine about it calmly?

You should re-read my posts, you know. You misinterpreted two out of the two things you pointed out. :tease:

[Bon Scott]

Tommy Is A Good Guy And Doesn't Deserve A Permanent Ban. But I Do Have To Agree With A Few People That He Does Deserve Temperay But Definitely Permanet Ban. And Like Someone Said The Interaction With His Clipper Acount Has Nothing To Do With His Tommy Account.

...despite the fact that you started a website and advertised it as "BETTER THAN GW"? (even though all it really did was leech a few members and have a different look, hell, it even had the same forum names as GW)
It Might Be Because It Didn't Have Any Tight Ass Admins Or Mods.

And If Anyone Is Whining It Would Be You Vinny.

[shortkut]

Id like to see the link to C&C please, and i didnt know kat warned me, she just asked me to take it out.
don't have the link but it was in ESM on april 1st after numerous "prewarnings"

note, prewarnings might not have been given on that specific day

[Vinny]

And If Anyone Is Whining It Would Be You Vinny.
Er, not really. I'm arguing in favour of the banning. Tommy's whining about having his account banned. Try not basing your arguments on who you like better.

It Might Be Because It Didn't Have Any Tight Ass Admins Or Mods.
Luigi is a mod there, 'nuff said.

Tommy Is A Good Guy And Doesn't Deserve A Permanent Ban.

Does Deserve Temperay But Definitely Permanet Ban.
It's hard to read your typing, what with the every-word-capitalised, but I'd say you just contradicted yourself.

Like Someone Said The Interaction With His Clipper Acount Has Nothing To Do With His Tommy Account.
when alt. accounts are used to talk to each other, it is usually both them and the original account that get banned. your original screenname is tommy pwns you and you had alt accounts talking to each other.
.

On another note, why do you capitalise every word, HV? Isn't that a whole load of extra effort for no reason?

[Bon Scott]

Extra Exercise For My Fingers But I Don't Really Care And I Ment
Does Deserve Temperay But Definitely Not Permanet Ban.
My Bad

[Shiven]

I have a solution, in this hatred ofm the mods shiven and Tommy, lets ban SuperFly again.
Yes. :tease:

Alright. Tommy Pwns You was temporarily banned for bumping, so he started using the Chipper account. For one, he was banned for 2 weeks, so using this account causes some trouble. But then came Cheatsman121212, another one of his accounts. There's some more trouble. Then they interacted with each other by flaming.

...I'll add more later... dinner time.

[Just Andrew]

Sarcasm-A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

If that was sarcasm, it was really bad, insulting someones grammer wouldn't insult anyone, unles you're a teacher. Kind of like using sarcasim to insult my math, OHHHHH, hurt me bad.

It's hard to read your typing, what with the every-word-capitalised, but I'd say you just contradicted yourself.I hope thats more bad sarcasm, if not then I found a secret code you can't read, words with capital letters.

Can You See This Vinny?

[Bon Scott]

And I Think My Text Is Easy To Read With All First Letters Caps. Or I Could Type It This Way:
AND I THINK MY TEXT IS EASY TO READ WITH ALL FIRST LETTERS CAPS.

[Vinny]

I prefer the second one. With my screen resolution and your font, I'm more suited to people who type normally. Seriously - why the hell do you do that?

Can You See This Vinny?
Yes, because the upper and lower case letters in your name don't have huge size differences.

You're clearly trying to turn this into a flame war, TUM. Take it to the T-Dome (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56) if you wish, you ASCII-art obsessed, immature anal cheese.

[Squall]

It's not. It is moronic actually.

[Bon Scott]

So You Are Saying You Have A ****y Monitor?

[Just Andrew]

Okay, I'll stop with the flames, just one simple question. Why don't you want Tommy to have his account back?

[Tommy Boy]

Yes. :tease:

Alright. Tommy Pwns You was temporarily banned for bumping, so he started using the Chipper account. For one, he was banned for 2 weeks, so using this account causes some trouble. But then came Cheatsman121212, another one of his accounts. There's some more trouble. Then they interacted with each other by flaming.

...I'll add more later... dinner time.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but those instances are me flaming me. The only reason for no flaming rule is so you don't do it to others. I choose to make fun of myself, there is no penalty against it. Instances:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/TommyBoy1334/Instance1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/TommyBoy1334/Instance2.jpg

[Shiven]

You're right. There's no penalty for flaming yourself. But your accounts interacted with each other, so you still broke rules nonetheless.

[Tommy Boy]

True. But it was only two instances, not a conversation. The time was spead apart as well.

[Vinny]

So You Are Saying You Have A ****y Monitor?
17" TFT monitor at 1280 by 1024 resolution? Fairly high quality, I'd say. Only problem is that the monitor-mounted speakers on it don't really compare with my 5.1 Surround Sound system that is now dominating my bedroom.

Now, take it to the T-Dome, bub.

Why don't you want Tommy to have his account back?
Read my first post. He offended while he was on a temporary ban. He couldn't stay away from GW long enough to let it pass over. He had it coming. He should just get over the account banning and stop questioning the admins and S-mods. He isn't achieving anything, unless you call lowering the admins opinion of him by flaming them "achieving" something.

Oh, and good man with the cease of flaming. :D

[Just Andrew]

you ASCII-art obsessedWell I'm done with the flames, how about you? Just because I have an ASCII sig, that doesn't make me obsessed with it, I don't change my sig daily, only once because of a name change.

[Bon Scott]

me take what to the Tunder Dome and for what

[shortkut]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but those instances are me flaming me. The only reason for no flaming rule is so you don't do it to others. I choose to make fun of myself, there is no penalty against it. Instances:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/TommyBoy1334/Instance1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/TommyBoy1334/Instance2.jpg
he was stressing the interacting part, not the flaming. in the user notes it says that you were flaming yourself so they're not really flames

[shortkut]

True. But it was only two instances, not a conversation. The time was spead apart as well.
talking to yourself is talking to yourself and you haven't been permanently banned yet, its still only a temp ban and might not become a full ban

[Bon Scott]

sounds like you have a kick ass sound system in you room Vinny

[VashTheStampede]

Take it to the T-Dome if you wish, you ASCII-art obsessed, immature anal cheese.

Should have taken your own advice...warning for flaming. And you were doing SO well kicking asses in this topic too. :(

Ok...as for the TPY/Chipper/Cheatsman121212 situation...barring an admin overruling me, this is how it's going to be.

I'm not gonna permanently ban the Tommy Pwns You account, because this incident didn't have to do with that account specifically.

I understand how important these forums can be to people, so I'm sympathetic to your cause...however, you really need to learn how to follow the rules, if you care about the site so much.

Once your temp ban on the TPY account is over, I'm going to ban the Chipper account.

Also, I'm gonna kick it old school here for a minute and place your TPY account on a three month Zero Tolerance period. Any infraction, and you're toast. Also, if you break any rules with the Chipper account while you're serving the temp ban on the TPY account, BOTH accounts will be banned.

I think that should just about cover it.

Just know that you're getting off pretty easy.

[Leandros]

It's not. It is moronic actually.
Go back to FTS, you.
Once your temp ban on the TPY account is over, I'm going to ban the Chipper account.
What's the point of that? A temp ban is there to let you cool off, keep you away for a while so you can't post. If you give him the right to keep posting, nothing ever happened. He just switched accounts for a while. I did this like a year ago for the BGcolour leak thing with Sam. Got temped for a week but I used an alt as well. This got banned right away and my original account banned for an additional week. Wouldn't that be a more appropriate punishment?

[Tom]

Ok, I'm going to decipher this thread as best I can. Tommy Pwns You is your main account. It was banned for thread bumping. As good as your intentions were, this ban is legitimate. Stop whining about that.

Secondly, you used a multiple. That's enough to extend your temporary ban. The use of multiples during a period of temp bans isn't allowed. So stop it.

Thirdly, you interacted with your own account on the forums, which is a fairly big offence in its own right. Firstly, anyone watching thinks you flamed. If you haven't flamed, you've essentially double posted.

Personally, I'm very, very suprised Vash has overturned this ruling when you don't have a leg to stand on. If it were up to me, I'd ban you, although I suspect that'd be something to do with having 2 suckup names rather than breaking lots of rules after 4 years here. :D

[Archangel]

Vinny, if I remember right, while I was viewing you're forum i'm almost 100% sure it says this-
First time around, your account will be suspended for a week or longer, once again depending on the administrator’s choice. In this period, you are permitted to make a secondary account
If you find Tommy doing this as a problem, please explain why it is one of you're rules at your own forum?
If it were up to me, I'd ban you,
It had nothing to do with his 'Tommy Pwns You' account. I dont see why people want to banned that account.

['Sabator]

If you find Tommy doing this as a problem, please explain why it is one of you're rules at your own forum?
We're talking about Gamewinners here, not Ichaerus. They are 2 different forums, with 2 different rulesets. Vinny has the rules set that way because it's a smaller, and therefore heavily community-based forum. GW isn't really community based, it's not like everyone on the site knows each other.

*warning*

Hehe, it's kinda hard to adjust from PIMI's rules when you go into other forums. I've done the same myself.

[Super₣ly]

Simple everyone, lets drop this and get on with our lives, Vash says its a temp ban so we will leave it at that end os story, now i wish i could only close this.

[Archangel]

We're talking about Gamewinners here, not Ichaerus. They are 2 different forums, with 2 different rulesets. Vinny has the rules set that way because it's a smaller, and therefore heavily community-based forum. GW isn't really community based, it's not like everyone on the site knows each other.
Maybe so, but if Vinny doesn't like it so much, I dont see why he would even think about having it as one of his rules.

[Tom]

It had nothing to do with his 'Tommy Pwns You' account. I dont see why people want to banned that account.

Why should we ban his multiple accounts but not his main? His main was temp banned, he used a multiple account, and then broke the rules with that, too. Since we know they're the same person, we ban the main account, as since he's been temp banned he's broke even more rules.

[Northern Lights]

You ban the main account because that is the one with all the posts and everything on.

[50¢ Fly]

I think we should just let the tem ban carry out, put him on zero tolerance and thats it, no more argueing, fighting nothing.......

[Leandros]

If you turn out to be another one of the alts...
Maybe so, but if Vinny doesn't like it so much, I dont see why he would even think about having it as one of his rules.
Obviously, we all hate this Tommy person and want to keep him away.:rolleyes:
. I mean, what do I do when I come home from school? Gamewinners. After dinner? Gamewinners. Before bed? Gamewinners. At school? Gamewinners. Go ahead, call me a kid with no life, but after being here for so long I have learned that I really like this site, I like the environment, and I especially like the people.
IT'S FIRE KING, WITH A VENGEANCE.

['Sabator]

Clearly, Leandros wins the thread. Now everyone hush, the decision has been made and it ain't gonna change.

[50¢ Fly]

Clearly, Leandros wins the thread. Now everyone hush, the decision has been made and it ain't gonna change.

Shutmortal, i pwn your soul

No, i believe this has gone a little too far in this all.......

[Crazy Jamie]

I'm going to leave this open in case something else relevant crops up, but other than that as far as I am concerned Vash has ruled on this one that it is his decision that is going to stand. I'm also going to make this clear- any person posting off topic from now on, especially where an argument with another member is involved, will receive a logged warning in their user notes. Cases like this can be complicated enough without having members at each other's throats constantly.

[VashTheStampede]

...and I'm going to close this because no one is bringing anything new to the discussion.

[Lunar Kreskents]

Lunar Crescent is a girl.Awesome, someone is actually aware of my gender. Thanks.

Since I was at the scene of the crime I thought it appropriate that I have at least a quick say. I realize you had the best intentions with the bump so I personally chose not to warn you. However, I must admit it was technically unfair judgment on my part. The rule was clearly stated that anyone caught bumping would be banned outright. Anyone. No exceptions. And for that, I made a mistake.

I wouldn't take this temp ban too personally. I think you made it clear that you understood the consequences. You chose to take that risk. You were caught and now you have to deal with it. Like Vash said though, you got off pretty damn easy, so take what you're left with. When banning people in a situation such as this, one needs to consider more than just the 'account'. You were issued a punishment so is it really fair that you, as a person not an account, should be allowed to continue about? Not really. Just like it's not fair for someone who wreaks havoc often to keep coming back freely or without a little suspicion just because they're "someone else". I hope you understand what I'm saying and to be cool, lesson learned. It'll all be over before you know it. ;)

[Ben]

Since most of the staff here seem to be posting just because we can post in closed threads, i'm going to join in too.

Now whenever I tried to PM an administrator for something, I have never gotten a reply.

Neither Isis, nor myself had received any private message in regards to saving that thread. Now, I can't speak for the other admin or the smods since I can't check their inboxes, but I see no evidence that you even tried to follow the rules.

I went easy on you because the thread was only a month old and it was barely dead, but you still broke the rule so you got off with a temp ban. Now, I personally don't normally mind if a temp banned person comes back on another account aslong as they don't cause trouble, but if you were indeed talking to another of your accounts then that is a violation of the rules.

I realise i'm just repeating what Vash and others have said, but I agree that my 2 week temporary ban of Tommy Pwns You should remain, and Chipper aswell as possibly the other account involved should be banned outright.

I strongly urge you to listen to the rules next time, not just read them and choose to ignore it anyway.