CSM

[Super₣ly]

Yes i am the Leader posting, and i still dont see why we cant have it in C&C, i know there is not allowed duplicate clans, but how is this a duplicate? the Elite Signature Makers for for people are are very gifted at making signatures, while the CSM, is for people who would like to get together and learn. The CSM would be for those ho could not get into the ESM for there skills were not to the expectations of the ESM, and i believe it should be allowed. Now i saw in some about the elites simpsons fan club and such, That is the same but this is not. If you think about it, The ESM if for great people to get in and talk about there work while CSM is for people to imprive and learn at there work. I know 1/4 ESM leaders hate me to death, thats fine because i dont like them either, but they should not cancel out something to help others, they should think about others and not about themselves, because thats what the world is turning towords. That is why i truley belive that the CSM should be allowed.
CSM (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422669)

[Aston Martin]

If people have to be gifted to enter ESM, why can't their be a club that gives people who are not as gifted as they are a chance too become better. People aren't good at everything, but still enjoy is and being around people who also like it. CSM should be created.

[Lazy F*ck]

They'd be duplicates because they're the same thing. Sig making is sig making. Just because one clan would have a different skill level doesn't mean they're not the same.

I'd like to hear one good difference between having CSM or ASM in C&C and having it in Public Group Chat. One good reason, besides post counts and it being in a different forum.

[Super₣ly]

You would like to hear a good reason, well ill give you my belief why it should be there. ASM was made for C&C, not PUG, it is a clan not a usergroup. Its not right to only have ione clan on sig making. But theres alot that are alike, example is Gamers society, The Platform Games Club , The Official Nintendo Gamecube owners Clan , The OFFICIAL Xbox Owners .INC .most where the same, so why where these all allowed to be kept? If there where already talks about the systems then why where more allowed to be made? talked about the platforms already, then why were these all allowed to be made? See you let some slide and some don't, well its not right, if your gonna let some go, then you might as well let them all, they are all a little diffrent, but realitvley the same, same as the ESM and CSM. Basically, most clubs are the same, just with slight changes. ESM is a talking regular clan, with some sig making in it, rep society is a talking clan with occasional repping, and so on....

[Aston Martin]

So You are trying to say that only Professional Sig makers can have a clan? I don't think its fair then. There are lots of people like me, who do well making sigs but are exceptionally good, and want to have a club where they are accepted for their talents.

[Aston Martin]

Sorry for DP but my post was responding to LHL's post.

[Lazy F*ck]

Superfly, you know that there's a big difference between a Gamecube clan and an X-Box clan (I don't know what the Gamers Society or the Platform Gamers is, so I can't comment on them). They're two different systems. Now, you might think "But they're still clans about game systems, so they're the same". In that respect, yes they're the same, but they're not duplicates. A duplicate clan would be one named "The Platnum Gamecube Lovers" or "The X-Box Elite" or something. That's what the CSM would be. Like I said, sig making is sigmaking.

So You are trying to say that only Professional Sig makers can have a clan? I don't think its fair then. There are lots of people like me, who do well making sigs but are exceptionally good, and want to have a club where they are accepted for their talents.
You have a club. *Points to ASM*

[Super₣ly]

Still its not right to allow only one. Is there only one type of Shoe brands?? No, how aobut game systems..No...Democracy = freedom of speech, freedom of choice, arent we allowed to have our freedom of speech here?

[Aston Martin]

I'd like to hear one good difference between having CSM or ASM in C&C and having it in Public Group Chat. One good reason, besides post counts and it being in a different forum.
Heres a good reason.
My fellow ESM members may not like that I'm posting this, but this is my feeling on the matter..

The ASM is not exactly the same thing. Some people may want to talk about signatures, and get help making them, but since we turn them down they have no place to go (except TG I guess). I think "Casual Sig Makers" would be a more accurate name -- as opposed to those of us who take it more seriously. Why shouldn't they have their own club? It's similar but doesn't serve the same purpose. There shouldn't be multiple "elite" clubs and there shouldn't be multiple "average" clubs, but one of each can coincide just fine IMO.

Kittah, the club actually was created as a place for people to request sigs, but I think everybody has gotten to the point where it's enough trouble to just make them for themselves. As a result, a lot of requests sadly get ignored.

And to all of those getting on our case about having "elite" in our name or being proud of making good signatures -- so what? We just want a place where we can talk with people who share a common interest. That's all any club is for.

You have a club. *Points to ASM* I'm not even sure why SFII wants to move to C&C

[Lazy F*ck]

Still its not right to allow only one. Is there only one type of Shoe brands?? No, how aobut game systems..No...Democracy = freedom of speech, freedom of choice, arent we allowed to have our freedom of speech here?
I'm not sure where you're going with this, but this isn't America, my friend. I didn't read anything about the Constitutional amendments being applied to this site when I joined.
Heres a good reason.
Kat's insane. If people want to talk about siganatures, or want help, and we turn them down, then they can go to the Testing Grounds. Or, better yet, how 'bout the ASM?

[Super₣ly]

ASM will be destroyed, CSM will take its place.

[Aston Martin]

Kittah, the club actually was created as a place for people to request sigs.
Why would you turn people down if you clan is supposed to be about helping people?

[Sabin]

Why would you turn people down if you clan is supposed to be about helping people?

*slaps you*
*slaps UDK*
*slaps Chris for not letting me know this was here*

There's only one sig clan allowed in the C&C, leave it at that. Next one of these threads that are created, the posted should be warned, is my suggestion to Jamie and John.

There's no reason to make another thread. I have a ton of responses to most of the things that UDK posted. But seeing as how I've posted them a thousand times before, why even bother again?
Why even make a link to a closed thread? A moderator of that forum specifically said that he wanted all 4 leader's consent. There was a negative response, therefore it's going to remain closed.

To be honest, I think that Kat was just trying to cop out of the "bad person", by posting in your' defense, knowing that someone was bound to respond with a 'no' to Eric.

To sum it up. I'm tired of these threads or even this being talked about, it's not going to happen. Die.

Btw, about your comment on the clans all being the same...none of those are the same, they talk about different things, different things entirely, not just a variation of talking.

[Aston Martin]

*slaps you* Sorry to inform you but you missed?
*slaps UDK*
*slaps Chris for not letting me know this was here*

There's only one sig clan allowed in the C&C, leave it at that. Next one of these threads that are created, the posted should be warned, is my suggestion to Jamie and John.

There's no reason to make another thread. I have a ton of responses to most of the things that UDK posted. But seeing as how I've posted them a thousand times before, why even bother again?
Why even make a link to a closed thread? A moderator of that forum specifically said that he wanted all 4 leader's consent. There was a negative response, therefore it's going to remain closed.

To be honest, I think that Kat was just trying to cop out of the "bad person", by posting in your' defense, knowing that someone was bound to respond with a 'no' to Eric.

To sum it up. I'm tired of these threads or even this being talked about, it's not going to happen. Die.

Btw, about your comment on the clans all being the same...none of those are the same, they talk about different things, different things entirely, not just a variation of talking.

So what about people who aren't as talented as ESM? Oh thats right ESM doesn't care.

[Lazy F*ck]

So what about people who aren't as talented as ESM? Oh thats right ESM doesn't care.
Damn straight.

Hell, I'll type it again. *Points to ASM*

Get a new defense.

[Sabin]

Sorry to inform you but you missed?

So what about people who aren't as talented as ESM? Oh thats right ESM doesn't care.

I am very calmly asking you, please, give me a reason to ban you.

Yea, you're right, as far as I'm concerned on my portion of ESM's opinion. We don't care about things as puny as this situation. Jamie and Eric both gave their direct opinions on this matter. Actually, I would almost consider this all SPAM, seeing as how this(the decision) was done what...2 days ago?

Ahh who cares if I missed, it's the thought that counts.

[Aston Martin]

OK Since SuperFly, doesn't want ASM, (with a new name) can me Tommy pwns you, and Teh Kittah! recreate it? This argument is pointless because I know we won't be able to go in C&C.

[Super₣ly]

Damn straight.

Hell, I'll type it again. *Points to ASM*

Get a new defense.


My defense

Stuck up boy, open you freaking ears and listen

ASM = no more......i cant control usergroup, which means it will be deleted, which means no post in public group general chat....

[Lazy F*ck]

Then...make the CSM so I can point to there.

[Super₣ly]

WEll, i cant unless i make the usergroup crap, im not going through that 50 member stuff again, kits pointless and takes too long, that is why i wanted it in C&C,because unless you spam it to deatrh, the thread will not be closed.

[Aston Martin]

LHL thats what this thread is supposed to be about.

[Tommy Boy]

Utter stupidity in here.

I suggested moving to C&C because some people want to join a sig clan but don't like leaving C&C (Don't ask). I put the idea on the table, not knowing post count was on in there, so we were set to move, until ESM found out.

Here is what I see about this situation. You want to destroy ASM? Do it, because it can get made again, and I have no problem making it again. ESM was at C&C first, and they have all rights entitled to being there.

I have said what I had to say.

-Walks away-

[Lazy F*ck]

i cant control usergroup, which means it will be deleted, which means no post in public group general chat....
If you can't control the usergroup, don't you think it would make more sense to make a thread in here about getting the control of it back, rather than trying to get a club in C&C, which the mod of the forum has already denied?

[Super₣ly]

Isis will not let me, as she says i have no proof the account was mine, i told her password, says she cant look at it.......

[Tommy Boy]

Ask a different mod then. Can't they unban something?

[Super₣ly]

mods cant, and i havent seen any other admins on......if they did unban it for like a hour or so, i could pm isis

[Tommy Boy]

Wicked is on every day. Ask him.

[Super₣ly]

I havent seen him on past week, i always look at forum leaders. Ill pm him also then......

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[Dave]

This is all retarded. Why are you all arguing about usergroups and stuff? I don't see anything wrong with either of the groups. Why can't it just be like old times? Live and let live eh? If you're not good enough to be in the ESM and can make fairly good sigs or havn't been here long enough to join ESM but can make good sigs then you join ASM 'till you can join ESM. Simple as that. I never thought of ESM as snobby, just as people who can make high class sigs. It's silly to create your own group just because you got kicked out of ESM, but this is a good group. People can learn here as well as make sigs.

If I've offended anyone, tough sh*t, it's my opinion.
My argument stands. Quit bitching about not being allowed to make CSM and keep ASM.

[Tommy Boy]

Yeah, um. We are keeping ASM. Superfly got what he wanted.

[Aston Martin]

OK Since SuperFly, doesn't want ASM, (with a new name) can me Tommy pwns you, and Teh Kittah! recreate it? This argument is pointless because I know we won't be able to go in C&C.
Did anybody get this?

[Lumina]

ASM is back you idiot, so this can be closed about now, SF got control over his old account. :whatever:

[Aston Martin]

I'm not an idiot, and I came here b4 I went to ASM :rolleyes:

[Justibackwardsn]

If people have to be gifted to enter ESM, why can't their be a club that gives people who are not as gifted as they are a chance too become better.


Yes, we should have a clan for exceptional ones to learn basic funstions such as motor skills.

So You are trying to say that only Professional Sig makers can have a clan? I don't think its fair then.

Fair would be not having a couple of people every 3 or so months imitate our clan that was created BEFORE most other members were even registered.

Still its not right to allow only one. Is there only one type of Shoe brands?? No, how aobut game systems..No...Democracy = freedom of speech, freedom of choice, arent we allowed to have our freedom of speech here?

Give rise to comunism! Behold! ESM is RED!


ASM will be destroyed, CSM will take its place.

Which proves that you can't keep a clan.



Why would you turn people down if you clan is supposed to be about helping people?

Because some of us decided to make use of our lives and go out and get real jobs. We don't have time to constantly make sigs for people that are going to just throw them away.

WEll, i cant unless i make the usergroup crap, im not going through that 50 member stuff again, kits pointless and takes too long, that is why i wanted it in C&C,because unless you spam it to deatrh, the thread will not be closed.

Then let someone else do it. I suggest Teh Kittah! It's either a User Group, or a continuous chain of closed clans in the C&C.


I suggested moving to C&C because some people want to join a sig clan but don't like leaving C&C (Don't ask).

Sounds like a personal problem.




UGH!! all that posting to find that it was not needed.

BUT! I still have seen no change of the ESM leaders requirement for you to keep the ASM. Keep it in the User Groups.

[Super₣ly]

Close this god forsaken place, im sick of hearing justin rambvle on old stuff when he doesnt know what hes talking about ASM will live forever.....viva la A

[Lumina]

Close this god forsaken place, im sick of hearing justin rambvle on old stuff when he doesnt know what hes talking about ASM will live forever.....viva la A


Or known as next week. :rolleyes:

Ok, someone can close this place, this pointless arguement has gone far enough.

[Cluck.]

And I still can't figure out who won.

[Super₣ly]

Me :D this text is invisible

[Cluck.]

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[Super₣ly]

ahem, cluck wrong place bud :D

[Sabin]

Seeing as how Jamie and John are on LOA...the next person I see in here will be warned for SPAM. Either let it die, or wait til they can handle it. I'm tired of seeing this damn thread be revived, pointlessly.

UDK, get that CT OUT of there, or be placed in the CT less group. That's just another form of going around the system. You know that. You're lucky I don't move to have you put in there right now.

[Justibackwardsn]

Me :D this text is invisible


Or not. You did exactly what we allowed you to do.

Viva la STFU.

[Crazy Jamie]

Next person to revive this topic without good reason (and I will be deciding what a good reason is) will be warned. Have a nice day.