A closed thread... an insult...and for what?

[nightmare_beta0]

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5317663#post5317663

I've attempted to create a thread about the next rpg innovation. Naturally, I posted my own ideas. But the only thing created was a thread based on bashing whatever I had proposed (which doesn't really matter anyway). The moderator, Stubby, wasn't any better.
You must have:
A: Not played many RPGs
B: Very high standards
C: A retarded brain

I've read books, I've seen movies and STILL the best stories I've ever known are stories from games. And when you say that RPGs have no replay value, you are certainly speaking for yourself. I know a lot of people, including myself, that have played RPGs more than once.


Just so you know what all this is about, my idea of innovation would have been to reconstruct the whole battle system, and make a kind of fighting/rpg hybrid, to have more replay value. Apparently, this wasn't very well received, and people only bothered to tell me I was a ****ing idiot for even proposing it, yada yada yada. This guy even argued that corny storylines written for rpgs are better than that of books and movies, and closed the thread. I couldn't care less about the insults, but why close the thread, really?

[Tommy Boy]

Yes, and that attemped thread turned into a discussion about marijuana smoking and flaming. Also, a controversal fight on somebody trying to prove that their better than somebody else. I see no reason why he shouldn't of closed it. You even suggested it be closed.

[nightmare_beta0]

Also, a controversal fight on somebody trying to prove that their better than somebody else.

Give me a break. You're no better than they are then. I don't care if people **** over my idea. But you think I'll just stand in the sidelines while somebody says it's crap anyway? Who does that? Of course I'll defend my idea. No reason to close it for that.

I see no reason why he shouldn't of closed it. You even suggested it be closed.

I was trying to bring to attention that nobody was talking about what the thread was meant for, and that it was better off closed than having people bash at it. So you're saying... nobody who visits the rpg forum would have posted anything productive there? Everybody would have rather ganged up on me? I guess it's ironic, I was being sarcastic about nobody giving a ****, but I guess nobody really does. And yet... every time you visit a forum, they're crawling with "WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE GAME????" threads, and people seem to care enough about posting them over and over and over and over again.

They should have disregarded all previous idiotic remarks, given everyone a warning, and keep the thread running until someone in the right mind has something to say.

[nightmare_beta0]

At least tell me this (why do they even have a court I wonder)... If I posted another thread about innovation, without posting my own idea, would that be allowed, or would it just be closed again? I have a feeling I should be expecting something along the lines of "****ing retard. I just closed the other thread, and you go ahead an open another one? Closed."

[shizzle]

Ya but you triple posted and you kept saying the same thing over and over again. I was falling asleep reading it, I know this is off topic but what the hell is progressive music?

[nightmare_beta0]

Ya but you triple posted and you kept saying the same thing over and over again.

Almost. I kept getting the comments, so I kept replying, trying to elaborate. A triple post gets a warning doesn't it?

I know this is off topic but what the hell is progressive music?


Find out yourself, you'll probably disregard anything coming from an "idiot" like me. Check progarchives.com if you really are interested, but I doubt it.

[nightmare_beta0]

I take it you like rap, and you're offended.

If you wanted to argue, visit a music thread.

[Tommy Boy]

You really have a problem with DP'ing don't you.

And he was asking a question, not arguing. Get your facts straight instead of DP'ing. Hell, even your DP's are wrong.

[shizzle]

You should stop double posting so much you will get in trouble with crazyjamie. Im not offended, I do like rap but I was just wondering what progessive music was.

[Superion]

I read most of the posts, and for the most part I am on your side. I don't know why people flammed you and the idea, but they did. This was almost as bad as most of the "What is the best of the three systems?" threads, they almost always get banned because of close-minded individuals flaming every system they don't own and people who have them.

Sometimes there is nothign you can do, when I first came here I think my first topic was something asking what everyone's favorite Pokemon game was, and I made this in the RPG forum. As soon as I made it everyone posted something about how Pokemon games suck and then one of the moderators there said "Pokemon games are not RPGS!!!111" and he moved it to the Pokemon forum. That was alright with me, except for two things: (1) Pokemon games are RPGs and (2) the whole forum consisted of Final Fantasy of Kindom Hearts threads. So I asked the other moderator why my topic was moved and all these FF/KH topics stayed, and he was the only of them brave enough to just say the truth that everyone who goes there only wants to talk about FF/KH, and they didn't want to see a Pokemon topic there. Sometimes you just can't do anything.

As for the moderator being a ass, I agree with you there too. I think what he posted was 11-year-old like.

And last of all, while I was reading what you though would be a good RPG style, the only thing I could think of was Tales of Symphonia... you may want to give that game a try.

[nightmare_beta0]

What's the big deal about double posting? I can't ****ing edit, so what else can I do? It's not that much of a nuissance.

And he was asking a question, not arguing. Get your facts straight instead of DP'ing. Hell, even your DP's are wrong.

I was assuming he was trying to convey an image. Think about it... people didn't think much of me as it is, if I started arguing about music, it would only make it worse. And try this for a fact: I never said he was arguing. I told him if he WANTED to argue, he could take it with me in another thread.

Btw... thanks Superion, at least now I know I'm not completely crazy for thinking I'm not all wrong about this.

[shizzle]

That is the whole point of a forum, to experss your thoughts. Lets face it you two probally flamed an idea or a game once or twice. Dp's are agaisn't the rules becuase to much post's at one time can mess up the server.

[shortkut]

1. What's the big deal about double posting? I can't ****ing edit, so what else can I do? It's not that much of a nuissance.


2. Btw... thanks Superion, at least now I know I'm not completely crazy for thinking I'm not all wrong about this.i numbered your post so feeble minds could connect what i'm saying to certain parts of your post

1a. look at what you type CAREFULLY before you send it.
1b. it IS a nuisance and a strain on the server
1c. stop doing it or die

2. you are not crazy for thinking you are in the right, but just so you know, you are wrong.

the thread was closed because it went entirely off topic (to my understanding) and what it became has nothing to do with the forum anyways


oh yeah, i can edit anywhere

[Retrospect]

Overall, I think your thread was closed for a good reason for the sole reason that it was getting off topic and you started to try to get your point across while D/T posting.

Look around here, people don't double post a hellluva lot. They get thier thoughts down in one post and if someone responds, they post a response to that.

Like I said, the thread was getting off topic and stuff like that, but the thread really didn't deserve to be closed. I'm on your side about the thread closing, but I also see the mod's reason for it too. I'm neutral.

[nightmare_beta0]

Sorry about the double posting then. All I can say is, give me an edit button. I've seen plenty of double posts before... the only difference is, people excused themselves before doing them. How is it a strain on the server anyway? I'd like to be informed about this.

the thread was closed because it went entirely off topic (to my understanding) and what it became has nothing to do with the forum anyways


Yes, well, I was trying to bring it back on track, obviously. And I got bitched at for it. It was a lose lose situation. FYI, I made a new thread about innovation, WITHOUT my opinion posted. I don't think anyone's replied yet... doesn't look like they will. Last time I post on the rpg forum.

That is the whole point of a forum, to experss your thoughts.

Very much so. And I said, numerous times, that I didn't care if people didn't like what I had in mind. But insults are another story. Still, I only brought this up because I wanted to know if closing the thread was fair, and now I have my answer. Thanks to all. But tell me more about dping before you close this thread.

[Retrospect]

How is it a strain on the server anyway? I'd like to be informed about this.
Every post is one more the server has to host. Same thing for an edit button. Each time you hit the edit button, it brings up a new page, making thousands more pages for the server to host (when everyone edits a post). As you may have noticed, things are already pretty bad around here. It's a lose/lose situation: Give everyone and edit button = just as much strain as double-posting does, and most likely, more.
The best thing for the admins/(s)mods to do is ask everyone not to double/triple/etc... post.

Hope thet clears it up a little.

[Superion]

If Gamewinners can't offer a Edit button for posts, I don't see how it can enforce a rule of no double posting. The way I see it, 9 of 10 posts are someone adding soemthing they forgot to say in the last post, and that other 1 post is some new member who doesn't know what he is doing. There are many cases where people are just plain spamming, and Moderators can easily seperate these from other posts, so why not just cut down on these people then on the whole double posting thing? Is there any way to adjust the system so that soemone's post count doesn't increase if two consecutive posts appear in one topic, for those staff who have a problem with people getting a high post count by double posting?

[Goran]

If Gamewinners can't offer a Edit button for posts, I don't see how it can enforce a rule of no double posting. The way I see it, 9 of 10 posts are someone adding soemthing they forgot to say in the last post, and that other 1 post is some new member who doesn't know what he is doing. There are many cases where people are just plain spamming, and Moderators can easily seperate these from other posts, so why not just cut down on these people then on the whole double posting thing? Is there any way to adjust the system so that soemone's post count doesn't increase if two consecutive posts appear in one topic, for those staff who have a problem with people getting a high post count by double posting?
There is a *gasp* preview button. What a shocking revelation

[Tommy Boy]

Exactly. I don't see a problem with maybe a slip time to time, but he DP'd maybe 5 times. That's excessive.

[Lazy F*ck]

If Gamewinners can't offer a Edit button for posts, I don't see how it can enforce a rule of no double posting. The way I see it, 9 of 10 posts are someone adding soemthing they forgot to say in the last post, and that other 1 post is some new member who doesn't know what he is doing. There are many cases where people are just plain spamming, and Moderators can easily seperate these from other posts, so why not just cut down on these people then on the whole double posting thing? Is there any way to adjust the system so that soemone's post count doesn't increase if two consecutive posts appear in one topic, for those staff who have a problem with people getting a high post count by double posting?
Having edit buttons in every forum wouldn't be good. Say some idiot posts a censor bypassed flame, and triple posted it. A mod warns them or even threatens banning. With the edit button, they could just change or delete their posts, making the mod look like an idiot.

As for this "case", or lack of, I can sum up an answer in one word: get over it. Your thread was closed, big deal. It wasn't working out, anyway. And you don't care about the flaming, so you got nothin'.

I don't see a problem with maybe a slip time to time, but he DP'd maybe 5 times. That's excessive.
Yeah. That.

[Beowulf X]

Having edit buttons in every forum wouldn't be good. Say some idiot posts a censor bypassed flame, and triple posted it. A mod warns them or even threatens banning. With the edit button, they could just change or delete their posts, making the mod look like an idiot.

As for this "case", or lack of, I can sum up an answer in one word: get over it. Your thread was closed, big deal. It wasn't working out, anyway. And you don't care about the flaming, so you got nothin'.

Actually, we can access the post as it was originally made.

The edit button is only used in a few select forums where it's necessary. Editing posts takes up a load of bandwidth, which is why we don't allow it in most places. Just because you can't edit doesn't negate the rules of the forum. Yes, we'll look over the occasional double post, but chronically doing it gets you on our bad side real fast.

[Dragoon Taryn]

nightmare_beta0, people were trying to offer you contructive criticism on your idea, and you took it too personally. There's a difference between defending yourself and coming off as an ass.

Sometimes there is nothign you can do, when I first came here I think my first topic was something asking what everyone's favorite Pokemon game was, and I made this in the RPG forum. As soon as I made it everyone posted something about how Pokemon games suck and then one of the moderators there said "Pokemon games are not RPGS!!!111" and he moved it to the Pokemon forum. That was alright with me, except for two things: (1) Pokemon games are RPGs and (2) the whole forum consisted of Final Fantasy of Kindom Hearts threads. So I asked the other moderator why my topic was moved and all these FF/KH topics stayed, and he was the only of them brave enough to just say the truth that everyone who goes there only wants to talk about FF/KH, and they didn't want to see a Pokemon topic there. Sometimes you just can't do anything.

As for the moderator being a ass, I agree with you there too. I think what he posted was 11-year-old like.


Ohhh, I remember you. And like dear Lunar Crecent told way back when you first posted that, (I'll even bold it for you) The RPG Forum is for RPGs without a forum. The only exception is the Final Fantasy games, as there are multiple forums for each game and there is not a basic FF forum to talk about all FFs. I haven't seen any KH threads that haven't been sent to the KH forum, so that blows your theory out of the water.

Remember kiddies, make you know what you are talking about. Good day.

[nightmare_beta0]

As for this "case", or lack of, I can sum up an answer in one word: get over it. Your thread was closed, big deal. It wasn't working out, anyway. And you don't care about the flaming, so you got nothin'.


Uh, wouldn't that apply to any case that happens to come up in this "court"? It's all stupid childish bs, but I still wanted to know where I went wrong if it wasn't somebody else's fault. Now you're short one more double poster. I'm certain if you used that "don't be such a *****, and get over it" logic on anything that came up here there wouldn't be a court. I thought it would be encouraged to bring this stuff up.

[Tommy Boy]

Yes. It is encouraged. You wanted answers and we told you exactly what you were doing wrong. Taryn's post was completely self-explanitory.

[nightmare_beta0]

Yes. It is encouraged. You wanted answers and we told you exactly what you were doing wrong. Taryn's post was completely self-explanitory.


What, you're saying you guys didn't go beyond "don't double post"? Give me a break.

[Lazy F*ck]

Your triple and double posting was probably most of the reason why your thread was closed, besides being a waste of html tags.

Uh, wouldn't that apply to any case that happens to come up in this "court"?
No. Some cases have a point, such as mod bias or harassment from a member.
I'm certain if you used that "don't be such a *****, and get over it" logic on anything that came up here there wouldn't be a court.
I don't use that logic in everything that comes here. So far, I've only said that this one time.

If you wanna hear the same stuff everybody already said about why the thread was closed, all you would have to do is PM the mod who closed it and ask.

Actually, we can access the post as it was originally made.
Hm. I figured that once it was changed that was it....:( Can you see a deleted post, though?

[nightmare_beta0]

I don't use that logic in everything that comes here. So far, I've only said that this one time.


That's easy to say isn't it. Well, close the thread already, I've had enough of this crap. Apparently, it's encourgaged to bring stuff like this up... but you're saying it doesn't have a point? Even after I explained I wanted to know where I went wrong? That really is terrible. You're going out of your way just to make me look like an idiot.

[Neo Matrix]

Ya but you triple posted and you kept saying the same thing over and over again.

Almost. I kept getting the comments, so I kept replying, trying to elaborate. A triple post gets a warning doesn't it?No "almost" about it, you triple posted in there. If you do get more than one comment that you want to reply to, you can use the actual "Post Reply" page, look at the comments (because recent comments are below the reply box) and answer them one by one before posting instead of (I assume) using the Quick Reply box. Even using Quick Reply you can just scroll up, so that's leaves you no reason for double/triple posting. If you think someone might have posted just before you, use the Preview/Advanced Reply buttons, any new posts will show up on the new page.

As for the actual thread, you delivered your idea in the wrong way. You asked the question, then completely overshadowed it with your idea and fail to bring it back to the original question which would have had people thinking of the question more than the idea you proposed. Proper spacing would have helped as well.

While it wasn't a bad idea in the first place, you then went on to assume everyone felt the same way you did about replay values and pretty much "insulted RPGs" by saying that they had no replay value. Being in an RPG forum that will get ALL the "RPG Purists'" (for lack of a better word) backs up and (possibly unconsciously) looking for ways to bash the post. Then when you later get frustrated at the bashing, you insult them further with this post.You know what? Maybe I should drop this. Maybe rpgs are a lost cause. Child's play. There'll probably never be a game with a professionaly written story you can enjoy, where you can break away from all the redundant mindless battle systems of which the only means you need to accomplish is having alot of time on your hands. Nobody seems to care if they improve. So **** them.

This thread was about innovation, and all you're only focusing on what I had in mind. Why do you give a ****? You're making it seem like it's controversial.That's 4 insults against RPGs and RPG gamers in one post... any dramatic change to the system would be major as RPGs are a certain genre.

What you did was pretty much walk into Philadelphia wearing a New England jersey (Assuming you're in America). The thread idea wasn't bad, but you did it in the wrong way. When they bit back, you took it even further and that was why it was closed.

You're not a fan of "Pure RPG games", so you should find one that suits you. Shenmue I + II (stemmed from the original Virtua Fighter RPG idea) were games that you probably would like, although I'm not sure you would like the training to get your stats up rather than fighting, so Shenmue II would be better for you.Can you see a deleted post, though?In our own forums, yes. Not sure about in forums that we don't mod though.

[Tommy Boy]

Were not going out of our way. We sit here waiting for something interesting to come up. You were the first to post in around 4 days.

Ps: Thanks for the -11 rep points :P

[nightmare_beta0]

That's 4 insults against RPGs and RPG gamers in one post... any dramatic change to the system would be major as RPGs are a certain genre.


It's not against rpg gamers at all, I'm one myself. Maybe it's politically incorrect, but who cares? If there's going to be innovation, it can't be meaningless. Experimenting is the way to go. It doesn't mean getting rid of the rpg style we already have, we'll just have more than one.

you delivered your idea in the wrong way. You asked the question, then completely overshadowed it with your idea and fail to bring it back to the original question which would have had people thinking of the question more than the idea you proposed.

I tried bringing it up again. But by then it was too late. They felt offended, even though there was no offense. That wont stop me from defending my opinion.

Ps: Thanks for the -11 rep points


Thanks for the -88, on the "extremely negative" post.

[Tommy Boy]

Thanks for the -88212, on the "extremely negative" post.
If you meant negative 212, then your welcome.
Psst...I have a rep calculator, I know what I'm talking about :tease:

[Neo Matrix]

It's not against rpg gamers at all, I'm one myself.Ok then... PURE RPG gamers... those that love the way the games are done and wouldn't see it changed if they could help it.
If there's going to be innovation, it can't be meaningless. Experimenting is the way to go. It doesn't mean getting rid of the rpg style we already have, we'll just have more than one. As I said, the change you suggested wouldn't be an RPG, it would be a hybrid. The kind of "experimentation" that would still have the game fall under the RPG category would be things like Junctioning in FFVIII (I think it was used in a previous FF game and brought back, or was that Jobs with another FF?), or the definative turn-based FFX (as opposed to waiting for the time bar to fill up).

[Beowulf X]

As I said, the change you suggested wouldn't be an RPG, it would be a hybrid. The kind of "experimentation" that would still have the game fall under the RPG category would be things like Junctioning in FFVIII (I think it was used in a previous FF game and brought back, or was that Jobs with another FF?), or the definative turn-based FFX (as opposed to waiting for the time bar to fill up).

You're thinking of the job system brought back from FFV.

I'd basically have to agree with the rest of the mods. The thread was closed for off topicness and you being an ass to people who had differing opinions. I also fail to see what you hope to accomplish with this case.

[bojangles]

Here's the way I see things, and how I would have handled this.

1. Chronotrigger_DBZ would have received a warning for flaming. Is "idiot" a flame? In the spirit in which he used it, very much so. That was completely unnecessary.

2. Nightmare would have received a warning for triple posting.

3. Space Ghost would have received a warning for spam, and/or trolling for this (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5315354&postcount=12) post.

Stubby may have been out of line with the "retarded" comment, but he was correct to close the thread. It was at the point where if it continued it would have gotten out of hand. As for the rest of you biznitches, quit complaining and be glad I'm not the mod of the RPG forum.

[Demikain]

I may be wrong but I don't actually remember closing the thread, although it's a good thing Taryn did (if she did). I made the A,B and C comments on what you said about the storylines in RPGs, not about a fighting system, which I actually think is a good idea.
CT_DBZ called Quixotron an idiot with good reasoning. He had his facts completely wrong. The person that begins the tension in the thread is you:

You know what? Maybe I should drop this. Maybe rpgs are a lost cause. Child's play. There'll probably never be a game with a professionaly written story you can enjoy, where you can break away from all the redundant mindless battle systems of which the only means you need to accomplish is having alot of time on your hands. Nobody seems to care if they improve. So **** them.

This thread was about innovation, and all you're only focusing on what I had in mind. Why do you give a ****? You're making it seem like it's controversial.

RPGs ARE written professionally, they don't just get some hobo to write it. Before that post it looked fine to me. And then you proceeded to triple post, and then the thread got out of hand.

[bojangles]

CT_DBZ called Quixotron an idiot with good reasoning. He had his facts completely wrong.No argument there. But nonetheless, it was intended as a flame, when he could have worded it more appropriately. For example, he could have said "If I were a bucktooth moron, I'd probably post something like that. Since I'm not, I'll stick to the facts". Scathing and poignant, but not technically a flame. :D

[Klowny]

Double and Triple posting is BAD.

Flaming is BAD.

Handing out negative rep to each other over a GWCourt case is PATHETIC. What the hell is wrong with you people? :shake:

[Vinny]

This isn't Happy Bunny's Fluffy Daycare Centre. If you're going to post something that attacks modern-day RPGs, you're going to get flamed. Stop being over-sensitive and get over it, kid.

[James]

As true as what Vinny said was, I have to agree with the kid. RPGs are getting extremely boring and repetitve.

[Demikain]

As true as that may be, this kid just got angry with everyone when they didn't think his idea was good. If I were to say that your idea sucks, it's my opinion and you can't start a court case over it.

[nightmare_beta0]

this kid just got angry with everyone when they didn't think his idea was good.

I got angry with everyone when they had nothing else to talk about but my idea. Not because they didn't like it.

If you're going to post something that attacks modern-day RPGs, you're going to get flamed.

There would have to be something about modern day rpgs you DON'T like to be able to have any innovation. This wasn't an rpg bashing thread, so nobody should've cared. And I didn't "attack" modern day rpgs until a few posts later. It was pathetic retaliation (and mostly strong sarcasm), but it was getting a little irritating to have everyone only preoccupied with my two cents. As for as I'm concerned, they belong in the happy bunny daycare centre.

Well, there aren't any more real contributions to this thread... there's nothing left to be said. My apologies to all the mods for wasting their time and insulting their intelligence (39 replies... is this an oddly popular court case, or is it just me?) and to all the "RPG purists" out there. I was wrong, you were right, and we live happily ever after. It was interesting while it lasted.

You know what? Maybe I should drop this. Maybe rpgs are a lost cause. Child's play. There'll probably never be a game with a professionaly written story you can enjoy, where you can break away from all the redundant mindless battle systems of which the only means you need to accomplish is having alot of time on your hands. Nobody seems to care if they improve. So **** them.

This thread was about innovation, and all you're only focusing on what I had in mind. Why do you give a ****? You're making it seem like it's controversial.



I'm kind of embarrased to read that again, aside from the last two lines. Guess I had too many drinks.

[Klowny]

The last good rpg was Faxanadu for the NES. But telling people that in the RPG forum isn't on my list of things to do. Yet...

[Crazy Jamie]

My apologies to all the mods for wasting their time and insulting their intelligence (39 replies... is this an oddly popular court case, or is it just me?) It's certainly a little more explosive than usual, yes. But it fizzled out before I got here, therefore there really isn't anything more to say. Regardless of the logic or maturity of the members who replied to you, the thread was closed simply because it had turned into one big fight. Most of the time mods can defuse fights without sacrificing the thread, but here there was virtually no chance of that. Hence closing the thread was the only real option available.

Well I'm glad that's all done and dusted.

*Closed*