Moderator Vote Results (12-30)

[VashTheStampede]

Miles to co-mod RuneScape - No
Gnome Lover to co-mod Reality TV Games - Yes
Rpg Knight to co-mod Genesis - No
SilverSparrow to co-mod Guys & Gals - Yes
EPH429 to co-mod Kingdom Hearts Series - Yes
Demikain to co-mod Playstation - Yes

Congrats to the new mods.

[SuperFly]

Congrats guys

[Heil]

yes congrats, and orry you missed out man, better luck next time.

[Miles]

It twas expected... I still dont' know why though... I am the best person for that forum...

Congrats to the new mods.

[Aan'allein]

Congrats to those of you who made it. To those who didn't, better luck next time...

[delt_ZX_246]

Alright!! Miles made it into modship, too!! Congrats Miles, and all the others.

[Barack Obama]

Congrats to the new mods, especially Gnome Lover.

[SuperFly]

Alright!! Miles made it into modship, too!! Congrats Miles, and all the others.

Can you read :hmm:

[Northern Lights]

Alright!! Miles made it into modship, too!! Congrats Miles, and all the others.

YEAH!! And so did RPG Knight...

[Miles]

Alright!! Miles made it into modship, too!! Congrats Miles, and all the others.

Yeah... Umm... I.. Made it... Yeah... I wish. I'm glad you made it though. Congrats :).

[Falco]

Congrats to all the new mods! Don't go all tyrannical on us little people. ^_^

[Wezlanator]

Congrats Mods! RPG, I was sure you would make it. Ah well, congrats.

[Chiaotzu]

Congrats everyone who made it. The guys who didnt, cheer up, you'll get um next time . :paranoid:

[Shiven]

For all of you who passed, congradulations...

Those who didn't, you're stuck with us lowly people :tease:
Better luck next time :)

[Retrospect]

Congratulations Gnome Lover, SilverSparrow, EPH429, and Demikain! Have fun banning people!

And taking a lead off EPH429, congratulations Miles and RPG for becoming "mods".
Seriously though, better luck next time.

[shortkut]

yay sparrow

[Viper]

Congrats to the new mods. Have fun :D

Miles and RPG, you'll get it next time, don't worry.

-\/iper

[sephiroth106]

dont worry guys....theres nothing wrong with being a normal member (unless some1 isnt telling me something :bawl: ) just wait u guys...ur time will come...u guys are lucky to even be considered....most of us dont even make it to there...so cheer up....

[Angelwing]

Well done and congrats to the new mods!:):)

[Icarus]

If only becoming a mod wasnt a popularity contest among mods. *rolleyes*

[Fable]

Just wanna publicly congrat Gnome Lover.a fine addition to mod the RTVG forum.

[Sparky]

Well done to everyone who made it. Bad luck to the people who didn't... better luck next time, I suppose. :D

[Aan'allein]

If only becoming a mod wasnt a popularity contest among mods. *rolleyes*
I'm sorry you seem to think that, however untrue it is.

[Miles]

I'm sorry you seem to think that, however untrue it is.

If that statement weren't true, I'd be a mod of the RuneScape forums. I know not many mods acctually like me, but it's true, and it's sad. But if you feel that way...

[Aan'allein]

If that statement weren't true, I'd be a mod of the RuneScape forums. I know not many mods acctually like me, but it's true, and it's sad. But if you feel that way...
How can you be sure of that? Maybe a total of 5 mods/smods/admins even knew who I was before I was up for vote, yet I made it. And believe it or not, qualifications are looked at. I truly am sorry you didn't make it, but maybe you will make it next time.

[SuperFly]

Miles man calm down, if you didnt make it theres always next time, i didnt make it so you know what im gonna do?? Im gonna try harder in the forums to help out as many people as i can and try later.......

[Miles]

Miles man calm down, if you didnt make it theres always next time, i didnt make it so you know what im gonna do?? Im gonna try harder in the forums to help out as many people as i can and try later.......

I'm calm. I'm just stating my oppinion on the matter.

[Northern Lights]

Miles man calm down, if you didnt make it theres always next time, i didnt make it so you know what im gonna do?? Im gonna try harder in the forums to help out as many people as i can and try later.......

Nah, everyone just hates you, Walker. :P

Yeah, listen to this him, he knows what to do. :^:

[shortkut]

If only becoming a mod wasnt a popularity contest among mods. *rolleyes*ha, you and your anti-rose kolored glasses. Wesdun is telling the truth, i was also known by 5 mods too and at that point in time there were like 3 or 4 mods who voted no on every vote and i made it. the mods see how you are in that forum and in other forums and base their desision on that

[babyT100]

congrats to all new mods but please dont bann us all
please!!

[shortkut]

congrats to all new mods but please dont bann us all
please!!
they kan't but i kan

[Miles]

ha, you and your anti-rose kolored glasses. Wesdun is telling the truth, i was also known by 5 mods too and at that point in time there were like 3 or 4 mods who voted no on every vote and i made it. the mods see how you are in that forum and in other forums and base their desision on that

:chuckle: If the mods had of done that I would have passed it with flying colours :rolleyes:

[Woozie]

Congrats to those of you who made it. To those who didn't, better luck next time...

Someone says that everytime mod results come by, only with an extra word or two. Maybe people should start saying like

HAH YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT!!

But that might be harsh...

[Aan'allein]

Miles - There are those who always vote no, and those that always neglect to vote. Maybe you just got unlucky with the numbers, but just keep helping out there, from what I have heard, you are qualified.

Woozie - It's a nice way of saying things. Though I seriously think both of the rejecteds could do better in future votes if things were played right.

[shortkut]

:chuckle: If the mods had of done that I would have passed it with flying colours :rolleyes:
i did it, and with you i think, i found your immaturity in general to standout more than your helpfulness in that forum [/konstruktive kritism]

[Ford Mustang]

good job, new mods!

[Molnar]

I just have to say... I know I haven't been here a lot lot and everything, but I think this whole process of publicly nominating and voting for mods is just pathetic and takes away from the reason mods even exist in the first place. In a perfect world there wouldn't be any mods... they only exist to keep order in place when things get hairy. I don't think it's healthy for a strong community to be publicly flaunting its mods. I'm a mod over at www.cloudchaser.com and you'd never even know unless you clicked the link for Forum Leaders.

Not a flame post or anything, just pointing out that the GW community will never reach a real "mature" status with stuff like this.

[Fantum]

Well, if you think the other site is so much better, why don't you stay there? :hmm:

[Aan'allein]

I just have to say... I know I haven't been here a lot lot and everything, but I think this whole process of publicly nominating and voting for mods is just pathetic and takes away from the reason mods even exist in the first place. In a perfect world there wouldn't be any mods... they only exist to keep order in place when things get hairy. I don't think it's healthy for a strong community to be publicly flaunting its mods. I'm a mod over at www.cloudchaser.com and you'd never even know unless you clicked the link for Forum Leaders.

Not a flame post or anything, just pointing out that the GW community will never reach a real "mature" status with stuff like this.
*Sighs* I believe the method of "flaunting" who is mod as you would put it, is to avoid confusion. Even with the colors, when everyone had colors, no one could tell. Sometimes mods need to be contacted. If you can't find a mod easily, then things can get hairy.

Also, as you may already know, the public votes in the forums that the user is up for vote to mod on do not say yay or nay. The vote in the mod forum is what determines it, the vote in the normal forum is just there to see what the members of that forum think. The threads such as this one are to let you know who you can now go to for help regarding certain forums, and to possibly congratulate them.

Also, I don't think your post could be taken as a flame in any light, so no worries there.

[Molnar]

*Sighs* I believe the method of "flaunting" who is mod as you would put it, is to avoid confusion. Even with the colors, when everyone had colors, no one could tell. Sometimes mods need to be contacted. If you can't find a mod easily, then things can get hairy.

Also, as you may already know, the public votes in the forums that the user is up for vote to mod on do not say yay or nay. The vote in the mod forum is what determines it, the vote in the normal forum is just there to see what the members of that forum think. The threads such as this one are to let you know who you can now go to for help regarding certain forums, and to possibly congratulate them.

Also, I don't think your post could be taken as a flame in any light, so no worries there.
The problem though lies in the fact that with all these bells and whistles (colors, the word "Moderator" above the name, public nominations etc.) becoming a moderator is a goal for many people. This is plainly obvious in this very thread where people who didn't "make the cut" are upset. Being a moderator shouldn't be a status thing or something people should aspire to be. That's just unhealthy for a community in my opinion. I was especially bothered by the response "There's nothing wrong with being a normal member". A "normal" member... that's wrong on so many levels. We're all normal members. Moderators just have the power to keep things in order when they need it.

I realize the administration of GameWinners may have the best intentions with this current system, but they have to see what their actions are actually causing. People here want to be moderators. It's their goal and probably a big reason why some continue to post on the forum. It's just a corrupt and unhealthy system, and one that a good mature community cannot function under.

Again, all my opinions. My apologies if I offended anyone.

[Falco]

The biggest difference between GW and Cloudchaser is that GW is six to seven times larger, member wise. On a forum with this many registered users, it's important to have some way to denote Mods from normal members (normal meaning members without administrative powers, not members who are less valuable to the community.)

[Maniacal Chocobo!]

exactly flako, all these 'bells and whitles' are needed for the community to keep running smoothly as it has been for 5 years, Molnar.

If it ain't broke don't fix it! :cool:

[Molnar]

If it ain't broke don't fix it! :cool:
My argument, however, is that it is broke. But oh well, to each their own. Just feels like a fake community to me.

[Aan'allein]

The problem though lies in the fact that with all these bells and whistles (colors, the word "Moderator" above the name, public nominations etc.) becoming a moderator is a goal for many people. This is plainly obvious in this very thread where people who didn't "make the cut" are upset. Being a moderator shouldn't be a status thing or something people should aspire to be. That's just unhealthy for a community in my opinion. I was especially bothered by the response "There's nothing wrong with being a normal member". A "normal" member... that's wrong on so many levels. We're all normal members. Moderators just have the power to keep things in order when they need it.

I realize the administration of GameWinners may have the best intentions with this current system, but they have to see what their actions are actually causing. People here want to be moderators. It's their goal and probably a big reason why some continue to post on the forum. It's just a corrupt and unhealthy system, and one that a good mature community cannot function under.

Again, all my opinions. My apologies if I offended anyone.
I understand your points, though if I may use myself as an example, I can show good reasons for aspiring to become a moderator. Now yes, for awhile before becoming one, I wanted to be one. Why? Because I was helping out in my forum, doing as much as the mods themselves most of the time. But I couldn't be as effective. When something needed a split, or a major Bank or Storage topic needed to be updated, I couldn't do anything about it because I wasn't a moderator. I could compile lists of what needed to be done and format it for them until kingdom come, but I still couldn't actually update. Thus, I wanted to be a moderator so I could effectively help out, especially since I am online more than my now co-mods put together.

Now I understand how not all have motives simply to want to help, but as MC said, things like this are needed. I stated earlier that sometimes a mod needs to be contacted. Well, with 75k+ members, and a mod team of somwhere around 100 I believe, that's a huge member to mod ratio. If you can't distinguish us from the "normal" members, then it would be much harder to keep things in line.


My argument, however, is that it is broke. But oh well, to each their own. Just feels like a fake community to me.
How do you say it is broken? Aside from server problems, which have nothing to do with this issue, I see things running pretty smoothly.

[Molnar]

Why, if I may ask, would a moderator ever need to be contacted? There's a nifty "report" link on every post, if a member finds an offensive post it's as easy as 1-2-click.

[VashTheStampede]

There's more to moderation than simply handling offensive posts. Being able to contact moderators makes it a lot easier to decipher some forum policies, for example. Rules can vary from forum to forum, and the ability to easily search out and contact moderators allows you to make sure you fully understand (for example) the definition of flaming in a specific forum.

Also, keeping moderators separate from members allows us to more successfully police our moderators, to make sure they are acting appropriately and not mistreating the members. With so many members and mods at the site, it makes things a lot simpler.

No offense, but its kinda ridiculous to suggest that our system is broken when the community has thrived for over four years under the current system. That's pretty good, in Internet years. :link:

You do make a few valid points though...I also don't like non-moderators referred to as "normal members". Its rather demeaning.

Good job plugging that other site though. Well done indeed. However, advertising other sites is against forum policy...so please refrain from this in the future. I understand that you were trying to make a point, so this instance won't be held against you.

In closing, if you're looking for a "mature" community...ya might wanna look somewhere other than a gaming site where the majority of members are hitting puberty as we speak. :link:

[Northern Lights]

cougheditoutthelinkvashcough

[Molnar]

There's more to moderation than simply handling offensive posts. Being able to contact moderators makes it a lot easier to decipher some forum policies, for example. Rules can vary from forum to forum, and the ability to easily search out and contact moderators allows you to make sure you fully understand (for example) the definition of flaming in a specific forum.

Also, keeping moderators separate from members allows us to more successfully police our moderators, to make sure they are acting appropriately and not mistreating the members. With so many members and mods at the site, it makes things a lot simpler.

No offense, but its kinda ridiculous to suggest that our system is broken when the community has thrived for over four years under the current system. That's pretty good, in Internet years. :link:

You do make a few valid points though...I also don't like non-moderators referred to as "normal members". Its rather demeaning.

Good job plugging that other site though. Well done indeed. However, advertising other sites is against forum policy...so please refrain from this in the future. I understand that you were trying to make a point, so this instance won't be held against you.

In closing, if you're looking for a "mature" community...ya might wanna look somewhere other than a gaming site where the majority of members are hitting puberty as we speak. :link:
First, I'm somewhat offended that you think I was just plugging CC. CC has been around since 1998 (first as Segadojo, then CC, then CoreMagazine/XenGamers, now back to CC) and doesn't need any advertisements. You may remove the link from my post if you like, it really doesn't matter. I was clearly just trying to explain my point, not act as an advertising spambot.

You say it's ridiculous for me to say that the system is broken because the community has "thrived". Has it really? From the past week of lurking on these forums I see the administration put down left and right. People poking fun at how everyone sucks up to the mods (which, I've found, is in fact true) and what-not. Why do they suck up? Because they want to someday be mods themselves.

The main thing that irks me about this system is the public involvement. If it is REALLY necessary for the mods to be labeled for all to see, then fine, no problem. However bringing the public into the nomination process is dumb... and also making a big announcement "congratulating" the new mods is dumb. That just adds more "status" to being a mod and is unhealthy in my opinion.

Then again, I'm not used to the majority of the posting community to be just hitting puberty, so perhaps that has something to do witi it.

[shortkut]

this topic is so that members know who are mods. it had been around before we got the kolored names and words above our names and it has bekome tradition

[Falco]

What exactly is the problem with people wanting to become mods? Mods are generally known for being mature and intellegent, which can cause people who want to be mods to post the same way. Besides, only moderators can vote on other moderators. Even if, by some unlucky chance, a "bad" member is modded, members can report the problem, admins and S-mods can review it, and the moderator in question can be demodded at the click of a mouse.

The "public", as you put it, may be involved in the nomination process, but our vote doesn't count towards the person being modded or not. Our vote is basically posted to see how well liked a moderator is in a certain forum. Sure, some people take these votes seriously, but they have little impact on the vote that goes on in the Moderator Forum.

And what exactly is wrong with congratulating new mods? They've worked hard and been helpful members of the community to get selected to the position. Like Wesdun said, 100 moderators out of 75k members really doesn't make thier jobs very easy. Why not congratulate them for taking on a difficult responsibility?

[VashTheStampede]

First, I'm somewhat offended that you think I was just plugging CC.

Well, if you would have actually read my post, you wouldn't have to bother being offended. You know, the part where I said, "I understand that you were trying to make a point,"?

You say it's ridiculous for me to say that the system is broken because the community has "thrived". Has it really? From the past week of lurking on these forums I see the administration put down left and right. People poking fun at how everyone sucks up to the mods (which, I've found, is in fact true) and what-not. Why do they suck up? Because they want to someday be mods themselves.

Every first-world nation in the world has the same "problem". People will always trash those in charge. In America, a lot of poor and middle-class people vote Republican. Why do they vote for them? Because they want to someday be rich themselves. :link:

The main thing that irks me about this system is the public involvement. If it is REALLY necessary for the mods to be labeled for all to see, then fine, no problem. However bringing the public into the nomination process is dumb... and also making a big announcement "congratulating" the new mods is dumb. That just adds more "status" to being a mod and is unhealthy in my opinion.

Righteous Indignation++

Seeing as you're the only person I've seen complain about this...maybe the problem isn't with us...just a thought.

[Woozie]

Why do they suck up? Because they want to someday be mods themselves.

Because some mods, since they can't just ban you if your annoying, they will be more on your back, for instance if you make a mild spam that you normally wouldn't get warned for because half the fourm does it, the mod that you pissed off will just try to find ways to get you back.

This is only some mods though, mostly the annoying people are attrached to rep. so they give them bad rep. then they cry on how they're Chaotic Evil

Also Vash in your sig I think
"At least this way I won't be disappointed"
is funnier then
"....Mwahaha.....Plan B...."

[Crazy Jamie]

Molnar I do think you have failed to take into account several characteristics of this forum in your analysis. Yes in an ideal world/forum moderation would not be necessary to this extend or necessary at all. People would all be mature enough to follow the rules and get along. It is fine for moderators on your site to perform their duties in the background because it does seem to be a site with a higher proportion of older and more mature members. However, not only is Gamewinners larger but also has a larger proportion of younger and more immature members, that will be more prone to breaking the rules.

Bearing this in mind the 'flaunting' of the moderator name is necessary to act as a deterrent. Seeing moderators posting regularly and knowing without a shadow of a doubt that they are moderators will stop a lot of people from breaking the rules that otherwise would if they couldn't immediately see any moderators around. If we all disappeared into the background like on your site then we would probably need many more moderators to keep tabs on things. We don't just punish those that break the rules- we also act as a way of stopping some members from ever breaking the rules in the first place. Our obvious presence is needed to ensure that this system runs as efficiently as possible, and if your system was employed I guarantee that we would have lot more problems.

Yes a definate downside is the aspiration of people to become moderators, which can create an unhealthy sense of competition and status. But this is neither widespread nor severe enough to actually be a problem. The vast majority of members enjoy this site for what it is and a community atmosphere is created to a very good degree. Sure there are those who have aspirations to become moderators and work towards that but it hardly detracts from the main purpose of the site. It is a necessary side effect and downside to the system- the alternative is not nearly as appealing.

I agree with the labelling of 'normal member', though. That was a good point. But I| can't see it changing, unfortunately.

[Northern Lights]

Also Vash in your sig I think
"At least this way I won't be disappointed"
is funnier then
"....Mwahaha.....Plan B...."

I like his current one more, if he can't become an admin by "campaigning", then he will attempt it by getting Maj demoted. :D

Molnar, if you have a problem with the forums, then why not suggest improvements? We will be happy to listen.

[krillin six dots]

If only becoming a mod wasnt a popularity contest among mods. *rolleyes*

I think it's more of a matter of becoming an administrator is more of a popularity contest among the administrators.

Maj is one of the only admins that I think deserves to be one.

[VashTheStampede]

I think it's more of a matter of becoming an administrator is more of a popularity contest among the administrators.

Damn that Al! Choosing who he thinks should administrate his site! The NERVE!

[shortkut]

vash for admin :rock:

[Klowny]

Maj is one of the only admins that I think deserves to be one.Maj: Last post December 24th, '04.

[Maniacal Chocobo!]

Shortkut fo' Prez!! :D

[Fantum]

Maj: Last post December 24th, '04.

January 21, 2005. :P

GWCU.

[krillin six dots]

De-mod BG and Isis, then promote someone else. Vash left votes forever at one stage, so :v:.

And that GWPA still hasn't been updated!

[VashTheStampede]

De-mod BG and Isis, then promote someone else. Vash left votes forever at one stage, so :v:.

Yeah! F*ck Vash! He should have totally had internet access after that hurricane f*cked up his whole city! So what if he didn't have power for a month!? He was slacking!

Seriously, what?

[Klowny]

Yeah! F*ck Vash! He should have totally had internet access after that hurricane f*cked up his whole city! So what if he didn't have power for a month!? He was slacking!

Seriously, what?Wait a minute. At the time you said that whole fiasco was caused by a tactical nuke! :hmm:

[VashTheStampede]

That was the nuke's tactic. A hurricane.

Awesome nuke, if I do say so myself.

[Northern Lights]

Yeah! F*ck Vash! He should have totally had internet access after that hurricane f*cked up his whole city! So what if he didn't have power for a month!? He was slacking!


I couldn't have put it better myself, how you keep your smod position is nothing short of a miracle.

[krillin six dots]

Yeah! F*ck Vash! He should have totally had internet access after that hurricane f*cked up his whole city! So what if he didn't have power for a month!? He was slacking!

Seriously, what?

Well in that case, the other s-mods should be shot and fed to the pigs for not continuing the vote.

[shortkut]

Well in that case, the other s-mods should be shot and fed to the pigs for not continuing the vote.
at the time the only other smod(s) were BG (and maybe bandi)

[krillin six dots]

I'm pretty sure there were more than that, kat and inle rah and all those people..

Why was BG promoted if he's so slack?

[VashTheStampede]

I'm pretty sure there were more than that, kat and inle rah and all those people..

Nope. Just me and Ben.

Why was BG promoted if he's so slack?

Because.

Not being a smart ass, but that's the best answer I've gotten.